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Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Mon Nov 28 02:48:12 2022, in response to What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by ROCKAWAYNY2016 on Sun Nov 27 22:30:32 2022. Very interesting how the Times frames the story:"The three-and-a-half-mile commuter rail line once carried passengers through central and southern Queens as part of a route down to the Rockaways" They could just as easily have said "The three-and-a-half-mile commuter rail line once provided passengers in central and southern Queens with direct service to Penn Station" But that would have made it sound like something actually useful. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Nov 28 09:47:27 2022, in response to What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by ROCKAWAYNY2016 on Sun Nov 27 22:30:32 2022. stupid ay holes. no imagination.make it a horse-drawn carriage-way. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 28 12:41:01 2022, in response to What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by ROCKAWAYNY2016 on Sun Nov 27 22:30:32 2022. Of course. In the new era of pet bereavement leave and other reasons to avoid the office, what we certainly do not need is another path to make our commute more efficient. We've reduced major thoroughfares to single lane roads with bicycle paths and other frivolities. The trend of the new world order is clear. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Nov 28 20:30:16 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by qveensboro_plaza on Mon Nov 28 02:48:12 2022. It should be reactivated as a rail line. Your great-great-grandchildred might get to ride it when it opens. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 28 20:50:30 2022, in response to What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by ROCKAWAYNY2016 on Sun Nov 27 22:30:32 2022. Unfortunately this is quite down the list in terms of important transit projects that I think need to get done within the city. I’d put Triboro RX, building a subway under the LIE, and reactivating the Lower Montauk Branch above reactivating this line when it comes to important transit projects in Queens alone. Any focus on the Queensway rail line should be mostly diverted to Triboro RX, with some additional attention being diverted into improving the nearby Woodhaven SBS Corridor. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Nov 28 21:06:39 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 28 20:50:30 2022. I’d put Triboro RX, building a subway under the LIE, and reactivating the Lower Montauk Branch above reactivating this line when it comes to important transit projects in Queens alone.Why those? Where are the largest number of Queens residents completely unserved by any nearby subway? Aren't they on an E extension to southeast Queens or an F extension to northeast Queens? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 28 21:35:49 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by AlM on Mon Nov 28 21:06:39 2022. Those three projects would be much easier than extending the (E) and (F) trains. Triboro RX and the Lower Montauk line would be almost entirely built on existing rail ROWs, and building a subway under the LIE would provide relatively minimal disruption to the areas surrounding the already busy and loud expressway.Extending the (F) train in Queens is unfortunately a non-starter for the foreseeable future, too many NIMBYs along Hillside Avenue, especially as you get closer to Floral Park. Where do you think the (E) train can be practically extended to? I can only think of 1 scenario: Along the LIRR row to Locust Manor which would be duplicative and a waste of money. Other potential QBL extensions I can think of are: Down the Van Wyck to JFK, which I can’t see the Port Authority allowing to happen, or East along the GCP to Glen Oaks or so, which would be an okay idea, but an extension I most definitely wouldn’t rate above Triboro RX or a LIE subway. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 28 21:40:34 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by AlM on Mon Nov 28 21:06:39 2022. Where are the largest number of Queens residents completely unserved by any nearby subway?Apologies for not answering this question in my last post, but I’d say Glen Oaks and South Ozone Park are the largest transit markets in Queens without any rapid transit options currently. I’d also include Rosedale in that group, but I count the LIRR for there, especially with ESA coming soon. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Nov 28 21:52:53 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 28 21:35:49 2022. Where do you think the (E) train can be practically extended to?Archer Ave, Merrick Blvd is the obvious answer. Unserved by either subway or railroad. And extending the F train just a mile or so would shorten a lot of bus routes. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Nov 28 21:56:16 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 28 21:40:34 2022. Glen Oaks and South Ozone ParkGlen Oaks is almost Nassau. Lots of closer-in unserved areas. My in-laws lived in South Ozone Park. Quick bus ride to the A at Liberty. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 28 22:19:21 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 28 21:35:49 2022. I don’t think an E to Laurelton or Rosedale (not just Locust Manor) would be duplicative at all. The subway would run more often, at higher capacity and be cheaper than the LIRR. That last one doesn’t really justify the capital expense, though, but it’s a fact that the subway is less subsidized than the LIRR.I think an LIE superway is the best option for NE Queens. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Nov 28 22:29:19 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 28 20:50:30 2022. "I’d put Triboro RX, building a subway under the LIE, and reactivating the Lower Montauk Branch above reactivating this line"I agree. However, Id put an El down the middle of the LIE instead of a subway. Build it Airtrain style like what is built over the Van Wyck. Construction would be much cheaper, less disruptive and faster than building a subway. And screw the NIBYS. They have been beaten before and they can be beaten again. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 28 22:40:41 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 28 20:50:30 2022. Hmm, someone hates trains by way of creating false dilemmas. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 28 22:42:24 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by qveensboro_plaza on Mon Nov 28 02:48:12 2022. You certainly get it. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 28 23:10:10 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by AlM on Mon Nov 28 21:52:53 2022. Archer Ave, Merrick Blvd is the obvious answer.Practical was the key word in my question. No way can you justify extending the (E) down Merrick Boulevard just to nearly duplicate two LIRR lines over other more crucial projects like the Utica Avenue subway or extending the subway to LGA. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 28 23:34:49 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by AlM on Mon Nov 28 21:56:16 2022. I forgot to add Fresh Meadows to my list as well. My "Tier A" list of Queens neighborhoods that would benefit the most from newly constructed rapid transit is: Fresh Meadows, Glen Oaks, and South Ozone Park. My "B Tier" list would be Cambria Heights and College Point.Glen Oaks is almost Nassau. Lots of closer-in unserved areas. Not really, with the exception of Fresh Meadows, every other neighborhood along a potential GCP/LIE subway to Glen Oaks would already have some form of rail transit serving it. My in-laws lived in South Ozone Park. Quick bus ride to the A at Liberty. South Ozone Park has not only one, but two potential subway ROWs already built in the Belt Parkway and Van Wyck Expressway that can provide much needed subway service to Southeastern Queens relatively cheaply within the next decade. Too bad the Port Authority would probably block anything down the Van Wyck, and the MTA seemingly has no interest in serving the Belt Parkway corridor. The Q10 is a quick ride to Liberty, but then you only get half (A) train service at Lefferts and have to wait forever. All (A) services stop at Rockaway Boulevard, but then the Q7 bus that takes you from there to South Ozone Park takes forever to come. Getting to South Ozone Park on transit sucks a lot more than it has to. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 28 23:56:39 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 28 22:19:21 2022. I don’t think an E to Laurelton or Rosedale (not just Locust Manor) would be duplicative at all. The subway would run more often, at higher capacity and be cheaper than the LIRR. That last one doesn’t really justify the capital expense, though, but it’s a fact that the subway is less subsidized than the LIRR.The Atlantic Branch is no where near capacity right now with plenty of room for service improvements, especially now that ESA is coming and Valley Stream Yard is going to free up as well since West Hempstead trains will no longer use it. If the LIRR were to add stops and match fares with the subway within the city, I don't see why anyone in say Rosedale would take a much slower and "dangerous" (E) train to Penn Station over the LIRR or Express Bus. I'm personally neutral on extending the (E) over the LIRR (I'd be more in favor of extending the (J)/(Z) TBH), but I can easily see the MTA quickly shutting down any idea for such extension with the points I made above, it's not gonna happen anytime soon and shouldn't quite frankly. I think an LIE superway is the best option for NE Queens. Agreed. So many other cities around the country have embraced the idea of using Highway ROWs to cheaply build rapid transit, but NYC remains skittish on the concept for whatever reason. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Nov 29 00:01:16 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Nov 28 22:29:19 2022. I was going to ask where would you build the portal but then I saw this:And screw the NIBYS. They have been beaten before and they can be beaten again. I love it lol! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 29 01:11:11 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 28 12:41:01 2022. Goodness gracious.I actually agree with you Fully on this! Guess it must be the Republican in me. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 29 01:12:33 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 29 01:11:11 2022. I never said that you didn't know transit & public policy |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Nov 29 01:15:02 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 28 22:42:24 2022. The comparison of what could have been said versus what was said reminds me of the old joke about a sporting match between the United States and the Soviet Union. In the Communist press, the story supposedly read, "The Soviet Union took second place in yesterday's event. The United States finished next to last." Sometimes, the bias is very subtle. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Nov 29 01:26:11 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 28 23:56:39 2022. now now. every one of our rail transit lines was built way before any superhighway got built. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Nov 29 01:29:48 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Nov 29 01:15:02 2022. Under capitalism man exploits his fellow man. Under communism it's the other way around. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 29 02:56:01 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Nov 29 00:01:16 2022. Start it at the curve of the Flushing Line at QB and Roosevelt Ave. Have it run down the middle of Queens Blvd until Woodhaven Blvd. There it turns onto/over the LIE for points east. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Nov 29 06:04:58 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 29 02:56:01 2022. I like that idea, but can Hudson Yards handle that many additional trains? By rerouting the (R) train down the LIE, service would be reallocated on the QBL, not increased, at least hypothetically speaking. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Nov 29 13:14:10 2022, in response to What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by ROCKAWAYNY2016 on Sun Nov 27 22:30:32 2022. First I'll address The "E" and "F" trains extensions by a combined LOOPOne Loop, the "E" going counter-clockwise and the other, the "F" going clockwise. The "E" will run on east bound LIRR ROW making local stops until where it meets "HEMPSTEAD TYPK" and veers southeast until it crosses Cross Island PKWAY and turns north into the current Belmont Park LIRR station. The "E" then continues North along Cross Island where it reactivate the ROW of the former LIRR to Creedmoor State Hospital then to about 212th St. and Hillside Ave. and along west bound direction to 179th St. This former LIRR ROW will be a two-level subway so zero property taken from property owners. The "F" train will continue east along an extension on Hillside Ave. to 212th St. to Creedmoor State Hosp., along the LIRR ROW to Cross Island PKWAY to Belmont Park Station, then south to Hempstead TYPK and east until it reaches the LIRR ROW where it does a flyover to the north side and continues west bound making local stops and connect to JAMAIC CENTER NEXT Northern Queens, extent the Flushing #7 line along the nearby LIRR ROW as was once planned, taking over the LIRR stations then running express over Roosevelt Ave. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 29 13:47:29 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Nov 29 06:04:58 2022. Figure out a way to have A & B division trains run on the Flushing Line on the QB viaduct & send LIE elevated trains down the BMT 60st tunnel from QBP, thus avoiding any traffic jams at Hudson Yards. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Nov 29 14:47:13 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 29 13:47:29 2022. Ideally swap the services.Number 7 Train to Astoria, and IND/BMT service to Flushing and continue along LIRR ROW as originally planed, to Port Washington. It resembles a cut in Brooklyn! The astute student will note smoke soot-stained overpass and third rail insulator's wait for 3rd rail. Murray Hill Station view West 8/11/2014 Note vacant space for interior express tracks. MU train under 149th Pl. leaving Murray Hill Station View East, 1950 Murray Hill MI Cabin 1925 view West while still under construction. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 29 15:03:21 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Nov 29 14:47:13 2022. Forgot about the clearance differences between IRT and BMT? No-go. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 29 16:27:04 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 29 15:03:21 2022. Clearances can be adjusted, like what was done on the Culver, Astoria and Dyre Ave lines. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Nov 29 19:14:31 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by ntrainride on Tue Nov 29 01:26:11 2022. Not quite. wikipedia saysSee also: Road and History of road transport Modern highway systems developed in the 20th century as the automobile gained popularity. The first United States limited access road was constructed on Long Island New York known as the Long Island Motor Parkway or the Vanderbilt Motor Parkway. It was completed in 1911.[9] And FWIW, I want restoration of the rail route far more than a stip park. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 29 20:19:35 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Nov 29 19:14:31 2022. Exactly.Queens has the gigantic Forest Park right there where this proposed Queensway nonsense is. The incredible gallery of the Park supporters is simple. Gaslight the public into believing that the Park is needed, by limiting information and pettling influence. Adam's is a politician now,and moreover a Republican playing Democrat. He is also a land and business owner, so it's pretty obvious that he would side with other like minded people who are more interested and involved with generating revenue for their pockets. The fact that Every single proposal that the MTA or NYCTA pushed has been shot down by Nimbys surrounding the line isn't a new thing. While it would definitely benefit the Rockaways,Howard Beach, Ozone Park, Richmond Hill and Woodhaven, Nimbus don't care about other people outside of themselves.. They always seem to create problems where no existed..make claims that weren't true..and say bigoted things that shows what they really feel. This is the real reason why Queens has the least amount of rail service,and nothing will get done. If the IBX gets built, then it will be an act of God that makes it happen. Now that our governor has won her own election, she's gonna drop her "pet projects" to low priorities. New York lacks motivation to expand,due to infighting and ridiculous resistance from people who don't even use the rail system. It's time tell them to STFU. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Nov 29 23:00:43 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Nov 29 19:14:31 2022. motor parkway is nowhere near a "superhighway.but it makes no sense to build a heavy rail subway along any nyc limited access highway. as far as "modern" notions about where to build rail transit best we do is rail under or over in-city arterials like eastern parkway or the grand concourse or queens boulevard. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Nov 29 23:19:17 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by AlM on Mon Nov 28 21:52:53 2022. The plans which I have seen, called for the E to be extended along reclaimed trackage on the LIRR ROW to Springfield Blvd. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 29 23:21:40 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by randyo on Tue Nov 29 23:19:17 2022. Somewhere in my archives, I have the actual proposed track plan for both that and the Queens Blvd super express |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Nov 29 23:27:46 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 29 16:27:04 2022. The Flushing Line was built like the Astoria Line to clear 10 ft wide cars. As for the Culver, I received an email from a knowledgeable person that the Culver was built to clear 10 ft wide cars from the beginning and passengers simply had to mind the gap. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Nov 29 23:40:28 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 29 23:21:40 2022. You probably have copies of the same plans that I had access to when I was in scheduling. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Nov 29 23:47:39 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 29 20:19:35 2022. Having thought IBX was a brilliant idea ever since I bought the original proposal at a hobby shop, I hope Hochulstays on it. Classic example of MTA not liking outsider ideas; but if a Governor twists enough artms... |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Nov 29 23:53:50 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by ntrainride on Tue Nov 29 23:00:43 2022. Not going to argue over the definition of a super highway other than to point out that such were planned in masny cities back then. While it took getting Fed "urban renewal" money to build the Congress Street Expressway (which al put a former L in the median)in the 50s the plans dated to the 20s. Richard Daley managed to get the new route running a day before an election--a true pro. |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Wed Nov 30 00:30:23 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 29 23:21:40 2022. In regard to that, there was a mention ( I could be wrong ) that the line was not built because subway cars are not FRA compliant. Leave it to the MTA / politicians to come up with an excuse not to do something. As for NIMBYS opposing extension of the G-line on Hillside Ave. to Little Neck Parkway - if the streets are blocked with snow, wouldn't the subway be a good thing ? None are so blind as those who won't see...Years ago the population out there was not like it is now - there are more people. Waiting for a bus during a snowstorm is not fun. |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Wed Nov 30 00:31:29 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by jailhousedoc on Wed Nov 30 00:30:23 2022. Error - I meant F-line, but the people need the service. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 30 03:25:11 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Nov 29 23:47:39 2022. I fully agree with you about the IBX.It's a wonderful idea that is long overdue. However, I'm more in favor of LRTs options than conventional rail. The medium level rail cars would enable street level operations similar to other cities, like our neighbors across the Hudson River. Also,this would enable a brand new LRTs system, using underused and abandoned ROWS to be created across the city. Conventional rail could see service to the Bronx via the new stations being built for Metro North. The Montauk branch can also be linked in through Jamaica to Southeast Queens,covering the all but forgotten BMT IND routes planned for the area. The MTA can build branch lines from this route like the LIE route,BQX. All you need is the will and the financial aid to get this done. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Nov 30 03:31:37 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 29 13:47:29 2022. I like that idea a lot, but Queens politicians will never go for that when the QBL is already pretty much built for a LIE subway. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Nov 30 03:40:29 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 30 03:25:11 2022. Linking Jamaica via Lower Montauk makes sense.That was actually the original plan for 63rd Street. But the opposition was strong. Especially in Glendale. I played little league in the fields at Woodhaven Blvd along Lower Montauk. The league always passed around a petition to sign against the proposal I have family and friends along the line too. Almost every doorbell was rang to sign the petition. But that was decades ago. I think today there would be less opposition. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Nov 30 03:40:31 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by jailhousedoc on Wed Nov 30 00:30:23 2022. Besides work (which would probably be cancelled or done from home in a lot of cases), where would they have to go during a hypothetical heavy snowstorm? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Nov 30 03:48:10 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 30 03:25:11 2022. The IBX line is a crucial freight link for the Tri-State Area, the best way to go for the IBX is to go the River Line route and run freight during isolated time periods overnight.Same thing will probably have to happen with the Lower Montauk since NYAR depends on that line heavily. It would suck for the Lower Montauk at first since that would mean no direct service to Manhattan, but after time, hopefully NIMBYs on the line would warm up to it, and then you can link it up to the (7) line. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Wed Nov 30 03:53:54 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by jailhousedoc on Wed Nov 30 00:30:23 2022. people move there specifically to not be near a subway. i know it's weird but that's what they do. i agree; a rational society would have extended the liberty avenue line into jamaica, the jamaica avenue and hillside avenue and roosevelt avenue lines out to city limits. along with re-opening the rockaway line up to rego park.and there are other considerations. a subway to staten island has been needed since the 1920s. or how about reversing it a little, filling in the gap and extending the far rockaway branch to rockaway park and recapturing the entire peninsula as long island rail road territory? I personally want to see elevated, street level or subterranean "slidewalks" on 34th and 42nd streets. also, that midtown railroad bridge. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Nov 30 04:10:43 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Nov 30 03:40:31 2022. Lots of people have to go to work in a heavy snow storm: hospital workers; NYPD, FDNY, Sanitation workers, Transit workers..... |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Nov 30 05:29:54 2022, in response to Re: What Does Queens Need More, a New Park or a New Train Line?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Nov 30 04:10:43 2022. Agreed, but not enough of them to sway the opinions of their NIMBY neighbors in my opinion. |
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