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BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Sep 5 15:30:24 2022 I am not on Facebook, but one of my friends is. He said he saw a photo of an ex-SIRT train at the BMT Broad St station. Did these SIRT trains ever run on Nassau St, or was it, perhaps, a work train? |
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Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Sep 5 16:40:43 2022, in response to BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Elkeeper on Mon Sep 5 15:30:24 2022. It's either a Culver-Nassau or West End local. 
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Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Sep 5 17:26:14 2022, in response to BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Elkeeper on Mon Sep 5 15:30:24 2022. Mike: They did run in service on Nassau Street. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars. |
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Posted by zac on Mon Sep 5 18:33:49 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Sep 5 16:40:43 2022. The top sign inside says Culver. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Sep 5 18:49:25 2022, in response to BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Elkeeper on Mon Sep 5 15:30:24 2022. I had a summer job in the City Hall area in 1958. I'd frequently take the Jamaica Ave El to get there.My downtown train was frequently delayed by a Culver Exp train crossing ahead to use the Nassau St Loop in the downtown direction. They used the SIRT trains for this service. |
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Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Sep 5 19:12:49 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by zac on Mon Sep 5 18:33:49 2022. The top sign inside says Culver.Thanks. Bill Newkirk |
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Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 5 20:23:35 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Sep 5 18:49:25 2022. The first time I rode a Culver express it was on SIRT cars. |
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Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars. |
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Posted by BMT Standard on Mon Sep 5 20:59:44 2022, in response to BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Elkeeper on Mon Sep 5 15:30:24 2022. When they first came to the BMT, the SIRT cars ran on the Culver-Nassau line. After the Culver line was reduced to a shuttle between 9th and Ditmas in 1959, they ran on the West End Local (Nassau St). The SIRT cars were retired and scrapped in 1961. |
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Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Mon Sep 5 22:03:49 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by BMT Standard on Mon Sep 5 20:59:44 2022. I'm not so sure about them being scrapped in '61. Retired, perhaps.Some of those cars remained in the yards as school cars or whatever, into the mid 60's. I was in high school then, and first learned about those strange cars in the yards. |
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Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Sep 6 06:37:52 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by r17-6599 on Mon Sep 5 22:03:49 2022. I'm not so sure about them being scrapped in '61. Retired, perhaps.Some of those cars remained in the yards as school cars or whatever, into the mid 60's. I was in high school then, and first learned about those strange cars in the yards. Those were the 500 series trailer cars that never saw service but used for the purposes you stated. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Tue Sep 6 10:31:20 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Sep 6 06:37:52 2022. Trailer S.I.cars?OK, thanks. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 6 12:06:39 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Sep 5 19:12:49 2022. Thanks, guys! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 6 12:06:40 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Sep 5 19:12:49 2022. Thanks, guys! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 6 18:43:41 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by BMT Standard on Mon Sep 5 20:59:44 2022. Then SIRT lost a bunch of cars in a fire. I wonder if they contacted the TA to see if they still had any of those retired cars. |
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Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Sep 6 19:24:16 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by r17-6599 on Tue Sep 6 10:31:20 2022. Trailer S.I.cars?OK, thanks. TA wound up with 25 motor cars and five controlled trailers. Maybe the trailers were included because SIRT may have no reason to use them. Also the TA could use them as parts donors. Bill Newkirk |
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[PHOTO] Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Sep 6 19:29:30 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 6 18:43:41 2022. The big fire was in 1947. SIRT sold the cars several years later. 
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Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 6 20:24:38 2022, in response to [PHOTO] Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Sep 6 19:29:30 2022. There was a later fire circa 1961 after the NYCTA had scrapped its SIRT cars and had none available to sell back to SIRT. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Sep 6 20:33:35 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 6 18:43:41 2022. Fire was the bane of the Staten Island Railroad. They lost five cars in the 1927 Tottenville fire, eight in the 1946 St George fire and seven in the 1962 Clifton fire. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Tue Sep 6 20:51:58 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Sep 6 19:24:16 2022. Any SIRT cars still in existence? |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Sep 6 22:36:10 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by r17-6599 on Tue Sep 6 20:51:58 2022. Any SIRT cars still in existence? Two cars survive. 366 is at the Sea Shore Trolley Museum in Kennebunkport, Maine. 388 is at the Shoreline Trolley Museum in East Haven, Connecticut. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Wed Sep 7 00:01:58 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Sep 6 22:36:10 2022. Thanx! |
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Re: [PHOTO] Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Sep 7 04:46:57 2022, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by randyo on Tue Sep 6 20:24:38 2022. Perhaps they could have sold a few BMT standards to SIRT.:) The R-27s were arriving then. |
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Re: [PHOTO] Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Sep 7 07:59:04 2022, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Sep 7 04:46:57 2022. The TA was willing to sell some of the Standards to SIRT. The stumbling block was the ICC requirement that the cars meet mainline railroad standards. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: [PHOTO] Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Thu Sep 8 11:54:51 2022, in response to [PHOTO] Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Sep 6 19:29:30 2022. Oh the humanity! |
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Posted by HANDBRAKE on Fri Sep 9 19:58:04 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by BMT Standard on Mon Sep 5 20:59:44 2022. In the summer of 1960 or 1961, I rode a SIRT train set on the Franklyn Shuttle to Fulton Street. I don't recall the number of cars, but what caught my eye was the IRT Lo-V style end doors and split A/B style center door as I walked across the platform at Prospect Park station. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Sep 10 07:59:57 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by HANDBRAKE on Fri Sep 9 19:58:04 2022. Botanic Gardens (Oct 1959) 
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 10 08:59:36 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Sep 10 07:59:57 2022. Could they have been able to MU with Philly M-1 cars?
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 10 09:08:28 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 10 08:59:36 2022. It was though that they could m. u. with the BMT standards, but much to everyone's surprise, they could not. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Sep 10 09:12:34 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 10 09:08:28 2022. and nobody looked at the blueprints,sheer genuis. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 10 13:07:33 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 10 08:59:36 2022. Wow.This is a basic BMT design and looks like it could do well in the NYCT system. I'm under the impression that the Broad St subway was some what based on the BMT/IND dimensions. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Sep 10 14:27:20 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Sep 10 07:59:57 2022. I believe that the Franklin Shuttle has had more different types of subway and el cars, than any other line. Am I correct? |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Sep 10 15:22:23 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 10 08:59:36 2022. Cannot view images.Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Sep 10 15:23:31 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 10 13:07:33 2022. I'm under the impression that the Broad St subway was some what based on the BMT/IND dimensions.The Broad St cars are 67 ft long, just like our AB's. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Sep 10 15:25:42 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Elkeeper on Sat Sep 10 14:27:20 2022. I believe that the Franklin Shuttle has had more different types of subway and el cars, than any other line. Am I correct?To my knowledge, the Franklin Shuttle ran everything except R-10's (fan trip excluded). Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Sep 10 15:51:09 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Sep 10 15:25:42 2022. Did they ever try out the Fulton St el's "C" cars on the shuttle? I know that they test-ran the Multis, and the other articulated lightweight subway cars on it. |
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Posted by zac on Sat Sep 10 15:55:38 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Elkeeper on Sat Sep 10 15:51:09 2022. I can't say I ever saw an R9 on it surprisingly enough. My favorite on the line was the R34. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Sep 10 15:55:42 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 10 13:07:33 2022. Doesn't the Broad St. subway use a wider track gauge? |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Sat Sep 10 16:36:04 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Sep 10 15:55:42 2022. Doesn't the Broad St. subway use a wider track gauge?No, that's Market-Frankford. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Sep 10 19:41:21 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Elkeeper on Sat Sep 10 15:51:09 2022. Did they ever try out the Fulton St el's "C" cars on the shuttle? I know that they test-ran the Multis, and the other articulated lightweight subway cars on it.I'll ask around. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Sep 10 19:42:21 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by zac on Sat Sep 10 15:55:38 2022. I can't say I ever saw an R9 on it surprisingly enough. My favorite on the line was the R34.I forgot about the R1-9's after I posted. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Sep 11 09:31:45 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 10 13:07:33 2022. I make you this promise, if I were to win one of those "BILLION DOLLAR LOTTO's" I'd buy those remaining cars and all spare parts in Philly and restore them to run in NY's system.What are my chances? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Sep 11 10:03:57 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 10 08:59:36 2022. Re:RE-Named Save the Philly B-1 Broad Street Cars! Photo : Sirt Car 501 shabby shape Posted by Avid Reader on Thu Jul 13 10:02:50 2017, in response to Re: Photo : Sirt Car 501 shabby shape, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Jul 13 09:11:31 2017.           Good original photos of the B3 Broad Street cars. These 50 cars numbered from 151 to 200. These cars saw 45 years of service and the fleet was formally retired in 1983 along with the 150 1928 B1 cars and the 25 1936 "Bridge" B2 cars that were built for Bridge Line (Camden-Locust) service. The current fleet of Kawasaki B4 cars would replace all three older car types. There have been one each of these three cars saved for preservation and in storage at Fern Rock with 1928 car #1 in its original paint scheme. A fourth car was kept for parts (a 1928 I believe). I know of rail enthusiasts that are trying to find a good place for these cars in a museum or some other sort of preserved state but have run into storage problems - trying to keep them underground on spur tracks at or near stations such as lower level PAT&Tison Station they have attracted homeless vagrants as an example. In recent years SEPTA tried at one point to sell off these cars for scrap - but since SEPTA does not own them - the four cars are City of Philadelphia property officially - the City ordered that they be kept. The mechanical interior station sign was one of the more interesting features of the 1938 cars and it would be interesting to find out when their use was discontinued. I recall these signs were painted over and wonder if the mechanical destination roll sign itself was intact inside the box or was it removed... A good source of Philadelphia transit pictures: www.nycsubway.org/wiki/Philadelphia,_Pennsylvania The Broad Street Subway section contains 547 photos of various types. Long Island Mike 3/12/2017 |
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Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Sep 11 10:04:33 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 10 08:59:36 2022. Re:RE-Named Save the Philly B-1 Broad Street Cars! Photo : Sirt Car 501 shabby shape Posted by Avid Reader on Thu Jul 13 10:02:50 2017, in response to Re: Photo : Sirt Car 501 shabby shape, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Jul 13 09:11:31 2017. Good original photos of the B3 Broad Street cars. These 50 cars numbered from 151 to 200. These cars saw 45 years of service and the fleet was formally retired in 1983 along with the 150 1928 B1 cars and the 25 1936 "Bridge" B2 cars that were built for Bridge Line (Camden-Locust) service. The current fleet of Kawasaki B4 cars would replace all three older car types. There have been one each of these three cars saved for preservation and in storage at Fern Rock with 1928 car #1 in its original paint scheme. A fourth car was kept for parts (a 1928 I believe). I know of rail enthusiasts that are trying to find a good place for these cars in a museum or some other sort of preserved state but have run into storage problems - trying to keep them underground on spur tracks at or near stations such as lower level PAT&Tison Station they have attracted homeless vagrants as an example. In recent years SEPTA tried at one point to sell off these cars for scrap - but since SEPTA does not own them - the four cars are City of Philadelphia property officially - the City ordered that they be kept. The mechanical interior station sign was one of the more interesting features of the 1938 cars and it would be interesting to find out when their use was discontinued. I recall these signs were painted over and wonder if the mechanical destination roll sign itself was intact inside the box or was it removed... A good source of Philadelphia transit pictures: www.nycsubway.org/wiki/Philadelphia,_Pennsylvania The Broad Street Subway section contains 547 photos of various types. Long Island Mike 3/12/2017 |
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Posted by trains61 on Sun Sep 11 12:52:17 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Avid Reader on Sun Sep 11 09:31:45 2022. I`m with you on that. My plan is to get all the famous Philly people along with the sports team to chip in to restore and return those BSL cars to service. Run a Nostalgia Program similar to NYCTA/MTA. Bring those trains out on opening days for the sports teams. Do special outing on PATCO and restoring the connection between the two lines.It`s a shame to see them lanquishing. The Lurkers` Guild Wishful Thinking about Fern Rock |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 11 13:01:26 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Elkeeper on Sat Sep 10 15:51:09 2022. Did they ever try out the Fulton St el's "C" cars on the shuttle? I know that they test-ran the Multis, and the other articulated lightweight subway cars on it.The "C" types never ran Franklin, but the "Q" types did though briefly. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 11 13:03:50 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Avid Reader on Sun Sep 11 09:31:45 2022. I make you this promise, if I were to win one of those "BILLION DOLLAR LOTTO's" I'd buy those remaining cars and all spare parts in Philly and restore them to run in NY's system.What are my chances? No chance. They don't want any foreign rolling stock traversing their rails. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sun Sep 11 14:48:25 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by trains61 on Sun Sep 11 12:52:17 2022. Donations? I'd give.Love those cars. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 11 16:25:13 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 11 13:03:50 2022. Well,it seems that they didn't feel this way when they purchased the R62s from Kawasaki Heavy.The cars were built in Japan,the 68s were built in France,the 62a were built in Canada. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 11 16:35:45 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Avid Reader on Sun Sep 11 10:04:33 2022. It's amazing how much these cars resemble BMT rolling stock,which drives home my idea that the folks who built the Broad st subway used the BMT subway dimensions for there system. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 11 17:15:47 2022, in response to Re: BMT Nassau Loop & ex-SIRT cars., posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 11 16:35:45 2022. They didn't call 'em BMT standards for nothing.:) They set a standard for subway rolling stock. |
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