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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Aug 19 12:37:05 2022, in response to Rode Queens Blvd yesterday, posted by zac on Fri Aug 19 12:14:30 2022. Great story, thanks,zac. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Aug 19 13:23:49 2022, in response to Rode Queens Blvd yesterday, posted by zac on Fri Aug 19 12:14:30 2022. Believe it or not, the Archer Avenue line stations will turn 35 years old next year. Considering their age and the MTA's penchant for minimal physical upkeep, they are really not bad at all. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Aug 19 13:50:16 2022, in response to Re: Rode Queens Blvd yesterday, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Aug 19 13:23:49 2022. Considering their age and the MTA's penchant for minimal physical upkeep, they are really not bad at all.Try taking a J or Z to Jamaica Center today. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Aug 19 19:10:52 2022, in response to Re: Rode Queens Blvd yesterday, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Aug 19 13:23:49 2022. They're not so much run down, as dreary and unattractive. |
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Posted by zac on Sun Aug 21 05:54:54 2022, in response to Re: Rode Queens Blvd yesterday, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Aug 19 13:23:49 2022. I remember the first time I rode the 6th Ave line. At the time it was still relatively new, at only about 25 years old. But the R1s and the incandescent bulbs made it seem ancient. I was just 10, so what did I know. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 21 07:46:35 2022, in response to Rode Queens Blvd yesterday, posted by zac on Fri Aug 19 12:14:30 2022. I still remember my first ride on that line, on May 11, 1968. That prewar Ethel train flew between Continental Ave. and Queens Plaza. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Aug 21 09:17:09 2022, in response to Re: Rode Queens Blvd yesterday, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 21 07:46:35 2022. Exactly |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Aug 21 09:40:24 2022, in response to Re: Rode Queens Blvd yesterday, posted by zac on Sun Aug 21 05:54:54 2022. The Arnines were a hoot. I rode them on the QB line when I was 9 or 10, just before the R44’s came in. Even as a kid I knew they were artifacts from another time. |
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Posted by zac on Sun Aug 21 10:56:59 2022, in response to Re: Rode Queens Blvd yesterday, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Aug 21 09:40:24 2022. The problem is that the city used older proven designs rather that what would have been the latest and greatest. The BMT was experimenting while the city wasn't. And the design of the stations followed the earlier design for the entire IND. Even the Fulton St stations past Bway/ENY used the same design even post WWII, but at least these were updated to use fluorescent lights right from the start. The result was that the cars didn't age very well and looked older than they actually were.Back to my original post too, QB now has a modern signaling system that replaced the original 1930s one, and the original stations look "classic" rather than old. The Archer stations just look like crap. |
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Posted by zac on Sun Aug 21 11:01:09 2022, in response to Re: Rode Queens Blvd yesterday, posted by zac on Sun Aug 21 10:56:59 2022. And one other thing. I visited friends on Roosevelt Island yesterday, first time I've taken the subway there. The station at least looks decent and is from the same era as Archer Ave. And it is VERY deep. Funny how a line I never use I've been on twice in a week. 63rd/Lex is a very convenient transfer for me. |
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Posted by R46 5636 on Sun Aug 21 11:16:10 2022, in response to Rode Queens Blvd yesterday, posted by zac on Fri Aug 19 12:14:30 2022. It's a shame Jamaica - Van Wyck didn't keep the original skylights within the station. I've always wanted to find a photo of daylight peeking into the station. That has to be some of the most creative architecture for a transit station, especially the suspended walkway that serves as an exit. It's as if the station has a balcony overlooking the platform. One could wonder if this style of architecture was planned for stations further down the line, imagining a Merrick Blvd (E) station looking quite similar to Jamaica Van Wyck. |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Sun Aug 21 12:39:04 2022, in response to Re: Rode Queens Blvd yesterday, posted by zac on Sun Aug 21 10:56:59 2022. I have to disagree about the stations. To me, they are cheapo design, utilitarian and unoriginal, surpassed by those of their formerly privately owned predecessors. Fitting for the original, squared-off, ultimately ugly rolling stock that originally inhabited them. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Aug 21 13:53:39 2022, in response to Re: Rode Queens Blvd yesterday, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Aug 19 19:10:52 2022. Another high-quality job from Schiavone Construction. Back then, the motto should have been, "The MTA & the Mob- perfect together!". |
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Posted by gbs on Sun Aug 21 14:38:55 2022, in response to Re: Rode Queens Blvd yesterday, posted by R46 5636 on Sun Aug 21 11:16:10 2022. The skylights were wonderful and unique, and it remains a shame that they covered them over. There had to be a better solution to deal with the glaring light other than closing it off completely. The suspended walkway may be "creative", but it makes exiting the station very annoying. The stairs and elevator from the platform to the mezzanine are near the south end of the platform, so if you exit the train near the rear, first you have to walk the length of the platform to the stairs there. Then when you reach the mezzanine, you're not near either exit to the street. If you want Hillside Ave you have to walk along that walkway, backtracking towards where you got off the train. If you want Jamaica Ave, you have to walk through a long tunnel further south. The problem is that the station platform ought to be located between Hillside and Jamaica Avenues, but it's not, it starts north of Hillside Ave and doesn't reach Jamaica Ave, so the two street exits don't line up with the platform and there's lots of walking involved. Entering at Hillside Ave presents the opposite situation. You're at the start of the overhead walkway and see your train below, but you can't get to it because there's no stair there to the platform. Instead you have to walk along that walkway to the fare control further south, missing your train along the way. Who designs these stations? College interns? Surely it's people who don't use the system regularly. All we want to do is get in and out as quickly as possible. (Maybe college interns would be an improvement.) |
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Posted by VictorM on Sun Aug 21 16:07:44 2022, in response to Re: Rode Queens Blvd yesterday, posted by R46 5636 on Sun Aug 21 11:16:10 2022. Here are photos from when the station was relatively new:    The Jamaica Av entrance is on a small plot of land bounded by Jamaica Av, Metropolitan Av, Kew Gardens Rd and the southbound Van Wyck service road:  (first four photos from nycsubway.org; last one from Wikipedia) There's also a second entrance at 89th Av and the expressway, adjacent to Jamaica Hospital Medical Center. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sun Aug 21 16:56:41 2022, in response to Re: Rode Queens Blvd yesterday, posted by VictorM on Sun Aug 21 16:07:44 2022. A minor correction: the street entrances are at Jamaica Av and 89th Av. I know the platform extends a short distance south of Jamaica Av because I remember seeing the south side of the abandoned Jamaica Av el from the skylights right after the station opened. You're right about the long walk from either street entrance to the turnstiles (see the photos I posted in response to R46 5636's post). |
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Posted by VictorM on Sun Aug 21 17:00:35 2022, in response to Re: Rode Queens Blvd yesterday, posted by gbs on Sun Aug 21 14:38:55 2022. Sorry, I should have posted this here instead of in response to myself!A minor correction: the street entrances are at Jamaica Av and 89th Av. I know the platform extends a short distance south of Jamaica Av because I remember seeing the south side of the abandoned Jamaica Av el from the skylights right after the station opened. You're right about the long walk from either street entrance to the turnstiles (see the photos I posted in response to R46 5636's post). |
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Posted by murray1575 on Sun Aug 21 17:46:25 2022, in response to Re: Rode Queens Blvd yesterday, posted by zac on Sun Aug 21 10:56:59 2022. I would agree that many of the original IND stations which are still in good condition look better than the newer ones or some older ones that have been extensively rebuilt. The Archer Avenue extension stations are particularly ugly in their design and execution. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 21 17:52:02 2022, in response to Re: Rode Queens Blvd yesterday, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Aug 21 09:17:09 2022. Of course, back then I didn't know that on weekends, there was no express service beyond Continental Ave. We boarded that train at Kew Gardens and when it pulled in on the local track, it raised a flag. When we stopped at 75th Ave., I thought, I'll be damned if this train runs local all the way to Manhattan. The next thing I knew, we switched to the express track and were off to the races. |
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Posted by gbs on Sun Aug 21 20:02:16 2022, in response to Re: Rode Queens Blvd yesterday, posted by VictorM on Sun Aug 21 16:56:41 2022. Thanks for the correction, I was a block off. Here's a revised version of the original post: The suspended walkway may be "creative", but it makes exiting the station very annoying. The stairs and elevator from the platform to the mezzanine are near the south end of the platform, so if you exit the train near the rear, first you have to walk the length of the platform to the stairs there. Then when you reach the mezzanine, you're not near either exit to the street. If you want Jamaica Ave you have to walk along that walkway, backtracking towards where you got off the train. If you want 89 Ave and Jamaica Hospital, you have to walk through a long tunnel further south. The problem is that the station platform ought to be located between Jamaica Ave and 89 Ave, but it's not, it starts north of Jamaica Ave and doesn't reach 89 Ave, so the two street exits don't line up with the platform and there's lots of walking involved. Entering at Jamaica Ave presents the opposite situation. You're at the start of the overhead walkway and see your train below, but you can't get to it because there's no stair there to the platform. Instead you have to walk along that walkway to the fare control further south, missing your train along the way. |
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Posted by gbs on Sun Aug 21 20:29:44 2022, in response to Re: Rode Queens Blvd yesterday, posted by VictorM on Sun Aug 21 16:07:44 2022. Your third photo shows another TA money-wasting boondoggle. At Jamaica-VanWyck and Sutphin Blvd (and possibly Parsons-Archer), the original platform-edge signs were backlit from the continuous platform lighting. Shortly after the stations opened, the backlit signs were covered over by the now-standard metal signs, which are there to this day. At J-VW even the conductor's board was backlit:   Note the original name of the Sutphin station (and that's not Helvetica, it's Standard):  
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