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Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Apr 12 13:24:13 2022, in response to Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Brooklynbus on Tue Apr 12 12:36:30 2022.

I never had a problem when it was allowed and everyone was doing it regularly as long as I was always holding on.

75ft subway cars are the difference.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Apr 12 13:24:42 2022, in response to Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Brooklynbus on Tue Apr 12 12:36:30 2022.

Don't try crossing in between cars on 75' equipment on a curve while the train is moving even when holding on because you will get crushed by end of a car. And you'll get more than crushed if you try it between Cortlandt St. & City Hall on the Broadway BMT subway.

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Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Apr 12 13:25:49 2022, in response to Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Apr 12 08:52:55 2022.

Democrats can't keep taking away all the 1990s and 2000's policies that actually worked and expect things to not get worse and worse

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Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 12 13:25:53 2022, in response to Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Apr 12 13:24:13 2022.

67' cars did too, correct ?

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Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Apr 12 13:26:24 2022, in response to Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 12 12:38:08 2022.

"......falling out all the time".

Or getting crushed to death.

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Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Apr 12 13:32:20 2022, in response to Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 12 13:25:53 2022.

67' cars did too, correct ?

Yes, those storm doors were always locked to the riding public.

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Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 12 14:21:28 2022, in response to Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Apr 12 13:25:49 2022.

Knowing nothing about this attack, who it was, and motives, you are already blaming the Democrats for it ?

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Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Apr 12 14:21:56 2022, in response to Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 12 12:30:39 2022.

I believe it was the R-46's and not the R-44's that had this feature. There was button or switch by the end storm door that you could unlock the door in an emergency.

Someone figured this out and word got around and people were using this button to unlock the end door. When the TA found this out, they either placed a stainless steel plate over the button or removed the button and plated it over.

During this time, did anyone fall between the cars after defeating this feature ?

Bill Newkirk

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Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 12 14:24:30 2022, in response to Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Apr 12 14:21:56 2022.

Exactly correct

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Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Apr 12 14:28:35 2022, in response to Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Apr 12 12:25:58 2022.

The unsafe condition is when the train is on a curve, especially over a switch/crossover, the overhang between cars is extreme. This happens with all 75' equipment.

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Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Tue Apr 12 14:31:05 2022, in response to Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Brooklynbus on Tue Apr 12 12:36:30 2022.

You never went between cars traveling north of City Hall?

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Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Ble-nimx on Tue Apr 12 14:31:21 2022, in response to Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 12 14:21:28 2022.

It is funny how this all began after they got rid of stop question frisk and was finished off by ny city council and debozo. Honchos kicked out rikers, no cash bail let's see I forgot Alvin Braggs won't prosecute anything small potatos Oh yeah this is all trumps fault

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Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 12 14:41:59 2022, in response to Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Tue Apr 12 14:31:05 2022.

If he had he likely would not be here to talk about it.

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Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 12 14:43:03 2022, in response to Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Ble-nimx on Tue Apr 12 14:31:21 2022.

And you just summed it up precisely 🤣

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Re: Up to 6 people shot, Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Apr 12 15:04:07 2022, in response to Re: Up to 6 people shot, Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Apr 12 09:38:47 2022.

This is Domestic Terrorism if it involves multiple shootings and bomb devices.

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Re: Up to 6 people shot, Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 12 15:11:03 2022, in response to Re: Up to 6 people shot, Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Apr 12 15:04:07 2022.

Soon as they catch him, they'll investigate his social media, cell phone, texting, see if he is a lone wolf or part of a network, how long he's been in Brooklyn, his terrorist training, his jail record. He obviously is pretty good a this.

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Re: Up to 6 people shot, Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 12 15:21:32 2022, in response to Re: Up to 6 people shot, Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 12 15:11:03 2022.

I agree.

He probably wrote a manifesto waiting to be discovered.

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Re: Will this prove to be a hate crime?

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 12 15:23:35 2022, in response to Re: Will this prove to be a hate crime?, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Apr 12 12:27:18 2022.

Doesn't preclude it being a hate crime.

Colin Ferguson 2.0?

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Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 12 15:24:51 2022, in response to Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Apr 12 12:25:58 2022.

Letting him roam through every car unimpeded. The locked door was bad for one car, good for the other seven.

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Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 12 15:25:46 2022, in response to Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Apr 12 13:24:13 2022.

Yeah, they've been locked since day 1.

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Handgun recovered Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Apr 12 15:37:12 2022, in response to Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Apr 12 08:52:55 2022.

A semiautomatic Glock handgun recovered at 36th St station

https://gothamist.com/news/handgun-recovered-in-brooklyn-subway-shooting-sources-say



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Re: Handgun recovered Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 12 15:38:55 2022, in response to Handgun recovered Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Apr 12 15:37:12 2022.

"The gun was jammed, according to one senior law enforcement official, suggesting the shooting could have been even worse."

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Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 12 15:43:27 2022, in response to Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Ble-nimx on Tue Apr 12 14:31:21 2022.

So glad I got out of tbe city.

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Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Apr 12 15:45:30 2022, in response to Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 12 15:43:27 2022.

I don’t blame you. I might be behind you one day.

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Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 12 15:48:05 2022, in response to Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 12 15:43:27 2022.

Mass shootings happen in lily white suburbs in schools and shopping malls too.

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Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 12 15:50:09 2022, in response to Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Apr 12 15:45:30 2022.

"Investigators looking for a U-Haul van with Arizona plates in connection with the Brooklyn subway shooting"

We don't knwo where he is from or where he got the truck.

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Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 12 15:58:18 2022, in response to Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 12 15:48:05 2022.

There hasn't been a murder in my town since 1987.

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Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 12 16:07:38 2022, in response to Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 12 15:58:18 2022.

So ?

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Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Apr 12 16:29:57 2022, in response to Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Apr 12 08:52:55 2022.

One cell phone video seems to show that the shooting was on the train. When the doors opened people, including the wounded, scrambled out of the train car and billows if smoke also came out from the train car.

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Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 12 17:12:49 2022, in response to Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 12 15:50:09 2022.

Obviously they will know where he got the truck if it’s not stolen.

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Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 12 17:13:47 2022, in response to Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 12 15:58:18 2022.

If I dropped a radius around myself that had the same population as your town I’d probably be able to say the same thing.

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Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by jabrams on Tue Apr 12 17:17:08 2022, in response to Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Apr 12 16:29:57 2022.

The Gothamist states an uptown N train at 36th Street, then what would 25th Street have to do with it. Channel 2's text at the bottom of the screen kept on mentioning that the train went to the next stop (34th Street) instead of listing the station as 36th Street, implying the gunman got on at 25th Street and starting shooting between 25th and 36th Street on an R train (making the train heading towards 95th Street and not Manhattan.

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Re: Shooting at 36th St./4th Ave. Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 12 17:19:37 2022, in response to Will this prove to be a hate crime?, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Apr 12 10:39:28 2022.

The concept of hate crimes is a violation of the 14th Amendment's equal protection clause.

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Re: Pic inside Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by transitbuff on Tue Apr 12 17:26:00 2022, in response to Pic inside Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Apr 12 08:59:42 2022.

Just one point...was this train going local or express?

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Re: Will this prove to be a hate crime?

Posted by transitbuff on Tue Apr 12 17:26:57 2022, in response to Re: Will this prove to be a hate crime?, posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 12 12:33:42 2022.

He also wore an MTA-style vest..

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Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Apr 12 17:29:58 2022, in response to Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Brooklynbus on Tue Apr 12 12:36:30 2022.

Yep. Holding on is the key. My attitude would be the following, post a warning about the dangers with a big fine for violators. But don't lock the doors. If they ignore the warning & get squished, fuck'em...they were warned.
Like warnings about smoking on cigarette packs or no swimming b/c no lifeguard. If things work out bad, its on them.

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Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Apr 12 17:35:28 2022, in response to Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Brooklynbus on Tue Apr 12 12:36:30 2022.

Ever try & walk between cars on Metro-North when its going thru switches just north of GCT? Theres serious overhang & gaps in the buffers on those 85ft cars, especially the shoreliners. AFAIK, people walk thru them all the time at that spot & AFAIK nobody got hurt.

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Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 12 17:36:32 2022, in response to Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 12 17:12:49 2022.

Soon enough. They obviously know more at any given time than they tell us.



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Re: Pic inside Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Apr 12 17:37:43 2022, in response to Re: Pic inside Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by transitbuff on Tue Apr 12 17:26:00 2022.

Express

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Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 12 17:38:11 2022, in response to Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by jabrams on Tue Apr 12 17:17:08 2022.

I saw car 5551 on TV with spaghetti chains between the cars. Must be an R46 on an N ?

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Re: Will this prove to be a hate crime?

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Apr 12 17:39:26 2022, in response to Re: Will this prove to be a hate crime?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 12 15:23:35 2022.

Lets catch him first & take it from there. BTW I'm hearing that there were clips on the car floor & witness reports of the gun jamming. If confirmed, this could have been much worse.

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Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by randyo on Tue Apr 12 17:40:57 2022, in response to Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 12 17:38:11 2022.

N has R-46s since the R-160s have been transferred to the Qns Blvd lines for CBTC.

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Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Apr 12 17:41:00 2022, in response to Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 12 15:24:51 2022.

Thankfully nobody pulled the cord in that car and allowed the train to enter the station.

Too many passengers think pulling the cord simply notifies the crew of trouble.

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Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Apr 12 17:42:52 2022, in response to Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 12 12:38:08 2022.

I made a post about that same situation north of GCT.

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Re: Will this prove to be a hate crime?

Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 12 17:45:27 2022, in response to Re: Will this prove to be a hate crime?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Apr 12 17:39:26 2022.

It's not being treated like a terror incident like Boston Marathon bomber. He's not stupid, knew to not try it on an R160 with unlocked end doors, and on a local service, but sloppy, dropped his gun, ammo, his bag.

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Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 12 17:47:13 2022, in response to Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Apr 12 17:35:28 2022.

Tubular diaphragms, and actual moving floor plates, not curvy anticlimbers, is why.

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Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Apr 12 17:47:42 2022, in response to Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 12 15:50:09 2022.

Out of state plates are not unusual on rental equipment. Just sayin that doesn't necessarily mean that this mutt is from Arizona.

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Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by randyo on Tue Apr 12 17:49:17 2022, in response to Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Apr 12 13:24:42 2022.

On extremely sharp curves and switches, like the switch N/O Pacific (Barclay) If yo look out the rear storm door window, you can actually see past the side of the next car.

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Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 12 17:51:16 2022, in response to Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Apr 12 17:47:42 2022.

Do rental trucks roam all over the country at random like rental cars ?

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Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn

Posted by randyo on Tue Apr 12 17:51:33 2022, in response to Re: R46 (N) train Re: Shooting at 36th St/4th Ave Station in Brooklyn, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Apr 12 17:29:58 2022.

You can have a million warnings, but some ambulance chasing lawyer will somehow win a large settlement for anyone injured when crossing between cars arguing they should have been physically prevented from crossing by locking the door.

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