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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Oct 10 17:12:18 2021 Tuscarora Almanac October 10, 1918 The Book of Last Runs Manhattan, New York Third Avenue Railways Third Avenue Railways discontinues service on the Canal Street & Grand Street streetcar line. Source: New York Division Bulletin /August 2001 article by Mr. Bernard Linder Tuscarora Almanac - October 10, 1920 - The Book of First Runs Brooklyn, New York Interborough Rapid Transit Company New stations on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line are opened at Bergen Street, Grand Army Plaza and Eastern Parkway - Brooklyn Museum. The stations were not completed when the line was extended to Utica Avenue the previous August. Source: New York Division Bulletin / July 1991, article, The IRT Eastern Parkway Line by Mr. Bernard Linder Tuscarora Almanac - October 10, 1955 - The Book of First Runs The Bronx, New York New York City Transit Authority IRT Division The first train of R-17's enters service today on the IRT No 6 Lexington Avenue Local. The R-17 Fleet will eventually number four hundred cars with road numbers 6500 to 6899. They will remain in service until 1988. Source: New York Division Bulletin / December 1964 Tuscarora Almanac October 10, 1957 The Book of First Runs Brooklyn, New York New York City Transit Authority BMT Division Q-Types are tested in service on the No.7 Franklin Avenue Shuttle. The do not perform well and are withdrawn after one day. Source: New York Division Bulletin /October 1966, article by Mr. Bernard Linder Tuscarora Almanac October 10, 1962 The Book of Wrecks Manhattan, New York New York City Transit Authority IRT Division Two trains collided in the Lenox Avenue Yard. R-22s 7429 and 7709 were badly damaged. This necessitated a brief return to the use of old cars while the yard tracks were repaired. Source: New York Division Bulletin / October 1962 Tuscarora Almanac October 10, 1972 The Book of First Runs Manhattan, New York Department of Marine & Aviation The Staten Island Ferry now collects a ten cent fare at the Whitehall Street Terminal. No fare is collected at Saint George. Nevertheless the fare remains at five cents each way. Source: New York Division Bulletin /October 1972 Tuscarora Almanac October 10, 1984 The Book of First Runs Buffalo, New York Niagara Falls Transit Light rail service returns to New York State for the first time since 1957. Niagara Falls Transit opens the first section of the Buffalo Metro between Auditorium and Theatre Stations. Source: New York Division Bulletin /October 2004 Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by gbs on Mon Oct 11 01:48:52 2021, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Oct 10 17:12:18 2021. New stations on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line are opened at Bergen Street, Grand Army Plaza and Eastern Parkway - Brooklyn Museum. The construction of this IRT line, especially the section under Flatbush Av, is so interesting, because it was done in conjunction with the building of the BMT Brighton Line under Flatbush Av. From Atlantic Av to Grand Army Plaza there are six tracks under Flatbush Av, at various levels in various configurations. At the Atlantic Av station, the four IRT tracks are on one level just below Flatbush Av, with a center platform separating the express tracks, while the two BMT tracks are very deep below St Felix St and the terminal. Leaving that station heading south the BMT tracks veer to the left to go under Flatbush Av and start rising, while the IRT express tracks get further apart, to create the space for the BMT tracks to eventually poke through. At Bergen St (2,3) the IRT local tracks stay close to the street (though leveling off to make a horizontal platform) while the IRT express tracks rise more slowly, in preparation for going deep. The BMT tracks are still between the IRT express tracks and are still rising. At 7 Av (B,Q) the IRT express tracks are now under the BMT tracks, while the IRT local tracks start out level with the BMT and are behind the station walls. Halfway through the station the BMT tracks start to dip, while the IRT local tracks continue to rise just below the street. At Grand Army Plaza (2,3) the IRT local tracks are on the upper level, the BMT tracks are below, and the IRT express tracks are further below. Past this station the IRT tracks will turn east and run under Eastern Pkwy, with the express tracks under the local tracks until Franklin Av (2,3,4,5), while the BMT tracks will continue south under Flatbush Av. All the while Flatbush Av itself is rising up the slope to the top of the terminal moraine in Prospect Park. |
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Posted by zac on Mon Oct 11 09:53:18 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by gbs on Mon Oct 11 01:48:52 2021. The GAP station is also very wide, I've always figured the BMT tracks are below this platform. Also, right before 7th Ave station going southbound is a gap in the wall between the IRT and BMT. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Oct 11 11:57:19 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by gbs on Mon Oct 11 01:48:52 2021. the complexity of all this is fascinating. nothing like it will ever be built again. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Mon Oct 11 13:03:20 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by gbs on Mon Oct 11 01:48:52 2021. At 7 Av (B,Q) the IRT express tracks are now under the BMT tracks I believe this should read "under the BMT platforms", no? I don't recall any curve on the express tracks which would bring them into alignment with the BMT trackways. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Oct 11 15:31:16 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by zac on Mon Oct 11 09:53:18 2021. Riding a southbound 2 or 3, I saw this gap many times, and for a second you can see the lights of the BMT 7th Av station. For years I wonder which station I was seeing, obviously wasn't one on the IRT line. |
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Posted by jabrams on Mon Oct 11 16:53:30 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Oct 11 15:31:16 2021. Wasn't there also a shell of a station on the express track near the BPL south of GAP (or a door way leading into a sub basement of the BPL)? |
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Posted by VictorM on Mon Oct 11 21:28:17 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by ntrainride on Mon Oct 11 11:57:19 2021. Here is a great diagram of the construction along Flatbush Av. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Oct 12 01:13:38 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by VictorM on Mon Oct 11 21:28:17 2021. yeah. is it the most complex subway junction in the city? seems like it.
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Oct 12 01:27:47 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by VictorM on Mon Oct 11 21:28:17 2021. related: 09 Dec 1913, Tue The Brooklyn Daily Eagle (Brooklyn, New York) Newspapers.com
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Oct 12 09:27:44 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by ntrainride on Tue Oct 12 01:13:38 2021. When I was a kid (well, teenager), I could sketch most of the Dekalb junction strictly based on my observations (of course back then, the RFW was king) |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Oct 12 10:22:21 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Oct 12 09:27:44 2021. impressive. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Oct 12 14:24:46 2021, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Oct 10 17:12:18 2021. Thank you, as always.Those R17s must've really stood out in 1955, with Hi-Vs and Lo-Vs all over the place! |
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Posted by Q4 on Tue Oct 12 15:19:01 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by ntrainride on Tue Oct 12 01:27:47 2021. Nice |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Oct 12 16:56:13 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Oct 12 14:24:46 2021. Those R17s must've really stood out in 1955, with Hi-Vs and Lo-Vs all over the place! Main: You're welcome my friend. I recall seeing a picture of a new R-17 in the East 180th Street Yard next to an MUDC. Those two types of cars did overlap for a few years. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by jabrams on Tue Oct 12 21:48:56 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by Q4 on Tue Oct 12 15:19:01 2021. But Dekalb Ave. or a local stop for the 4th Ave. line, and a cross platform transfer to the Brighton line. If the station was to be made a "local" stop, what trains would not stop there (only 2 side platforms and no 4th Ave. stop? |
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Posted by zac on Tue Oct 12 22:06:20 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by jabrams on Tue Oct 12 21:48:56 2021. I think as originally planned, the tracks from Pacific St would just go on to Dekalb, with the express track in the middle as they are now and the local track the current tunnel track. The outer tracks would not be there. Also, Gold St/Myrtle Ave would be the same. Between Montague St and the Brighton Connection it would have been a total bottleneck, and it was a total mess as it turned out anyway.So while they made it an "Express" station, the bypass tracks are still there to this day and used at all times except nights, so is it really an express stop? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Oct 12 22:51:43 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by zac on Tue Oct 12 22:06:20 2021. It is unique, that's for sure. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Oct 12 22:52:46 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Oct 12 14:24:46 2021. And until the R-21s began showing up, the R-17s operated only in solid trains. |
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Posted by VictorM on Wed Oct 13 00:15:59 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by zac on Tue Oct 12 22:06:20 2021. It's an express stop with respect to the Brighton, but a local stop with respect to 4th Av. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 13 01:50:39 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by VictorM on Wed Oct 13 00:15:59 2021. However, when first built under the old configuration the Xovers at the N/E of the station allowed tunnel trains to bypass the station and the tk alignment S/O the station also allowed for Brighton trains to bypass DeKalb. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 13 02:20:24 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Oct 12 22:52:46 2021. Actually, from what I remember, the R-17 were in solid trains until the arrival of the R-26s although I do remember seeing an R-22 mixed in a train of R-17s around 1959 on the Pelham Line. |
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Posted by zac on Wed Oct 13 07:31:43 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by randyo on Wed Oct 13 02:20:24 2021. It is hard to imagine a solid train on the IRT from the era before the R62. They were all mixed up everywhere. I always thought the oddest looking of them were the R15s. The R12/14 were copies of the R10 so they didn't look all that weird but the R15 had no equivalent. And usually only one or two R12/14/15s would be in a train. I never rode the Flushing line until the R36s appeared there for the World's Fair and had completely taken over. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Oct 13 08:54:55 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by zac on Wed Oct 13 07:31:43 2021. The closest to the R-15 in the B division was the R-11 (R-34), due to the circular windows in the doors and the round RFW, but the 15/34 had aspects of the R-10 in it as well. That's why the first time I encountred one, on the Franklin Shuttle in the summer of 1967, I thought that it was the strangest car I had ever seen. |
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Posted by gbs on Wed Oct 13 12:22:49 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by zac on Mon Oct 11 09:53:18 2021. That gap in the wall between the IRT and BMT has been closed up for years now, a real disappointment to those of us who knew to look for it. |
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Posted by zac on Wed Oct 13 13:12:51 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Oct 13 08:54:55 2021. The big difference though is that it was stainless steel.I remember leaving Times Square BMT station and this strange looking train was pulling in on the other side. It must have been the R34 after the overhaul. Given how the TA wanted the oddball cars gone I'm surprised they rebuilt it. Or would it have been the bad publicity of the "Million Dollar" train being scrapped long before it was due. |
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Posted by gbs on Wed Oct 13 13:49:38 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by K. Trout on Mon Oct 11 13:03:20 2021. Correct, and Joe Brennan's amazing diagram reminds me to be more specific about Grand Army Plaza. Entering the station going south, the IRT local tracks are on the upper level across the wide island platform. Deeper under that platform are the two BMT tracks, descending, and deeper still under the IRT local tracks are the IRT express tracks, rising. About one-third through the station the descending BMT tracks go deeper than the rising IRT express tracks, so leaving the station the IRT local tracks are on the upper level heading east with the IRT express tracks under them, and deepest are the BMT tracks still heading south deep under Flatbush Av. It's an astonishing example of design and engineering, yet they then got the Rogers Junction so terribly wrong. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 13 16:16:48 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by zac on Wed Oct 13 13:12:51 2021. There were "oddball cars" and then there were "oddball cars" The problem with the Multis and D types was that they were articulated and the TA didn't want to deal with articulated units. That was very likely why the CTA Did not order more articulated units like the first 4 experimentals, opting instead for 2 car married pairs. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 13 16:48:44 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by gbs on Wed Oct 13 13:49:38 2021. Rogers (or as we called it on the road "Nostrand") Jct is not the only place where the dual contract engineers got it wrong. Chambers St on the 7 Av IRT should have been built about a block or so farther north so that a flying junction could have been built allowing both lcl and exp trains to access both the line to Bkln and the line to So/Fy without interfering with each other. The got 125/Lex right but dropped the ball on a few other places. Nostrand jct may have been limited by the NIMBYs complaints that caused the E/Pkwy Line to be built on 2 levels in the first place. |
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Posted by zac on Wed Oct 13 18:00:28 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by gbs on Wed Oct 13 12:22:49 2021. Has it? I just went by there yesterday and while I didn't see a train going by it did appear I could see through. |
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Posted by zac on Wed Oct 13 18:15:52 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by randyo on Wed Oct 13 16:48:44 2021. The dual contracts got a lot of things wrong, particularly with the Els. I've documented 4 places where the old els connected with the elevated subway lines during the dual contracts, none of which lasted. Bway Junction, Queensborough Plaza, Bergen Cut-off, 167th/River all had els connecting with the subway and all are gone. They spent the money and then tore them down. And the one I haven't documented is the Webster Ave extension up to Gun Hill Road, built and it ran maybe 50 years. The R32s lasted 50 years. Fulton El through the rebuilt Bway Junction? 40 years but through trains only ran for 24 years before they cut it off at Rockaway Ave, Bergen Cut-off? Not even 40 years. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Oct 13 20:56:25 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by randyo on Wed Oct 13 16:48:44 2021. Nostrand jct may have been limited by the NIMBYs complaints that caused the E/Pkwy Line to be built on 2 levels in the first place.What was that about anyway? They didn't want any tracks under the service roads (and therefore closer to homes)? And if that was the case, how come 4 tracks was OK at Franklin? |
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Posted by murray1575 on Thu Oct 14 06:10:14 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by zac on Wed Oct 13 18:15:52 2021. The main reason the elevated lines were abandoned and torn down was the construction of the IND which was designed to replace them and extend the subway to areas which were not served at all. The IND eventually was extended over two Dual Contracts elevated lines in Brooklyn and Queens. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Oct 14 07:28:37 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by murray1575 on Thu Oct 14 06:10:14 2021. Murray: This was especially true of the route of the "A" train. It ran down Manhattan's west side only one block away form the IRT Ninth Avenue El. In Brooklyn is literally undercut the BMT Fulton Street El. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by murray1575 on Thu Oct 14 09:00:25 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Oct 14 07:28:37 2021. The Sixth Avenue line was constructed while the elevated line was still there too. That was a difficult and expensive piece of construction due to the presence of other lines and a NYC water tunnel along its route. |
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Posted by Q4 on Thu Oct 14 10:25:52 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by gbs on Wed Oct 13 12:22:49 2021. Wasn't there a gap also between the Fulton Line and a Crosstown Line station (I don't know which one). I seem to recall one when I was younger? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Oct 14 13:55:19 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Oct 13 20:56:25 2021. IINM it had something to do with a row of trees along Eastern Parkway that are no longer there. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Oct 14 14:01:19 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by murray1575 on Thu Oct 14 09:00:25 2021. And the hairiest part was at 34th St. The line skips over the tracks into Penn Station, dodges the PATH tunnels and ducks beneath the BMT Broadway line. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Oct 14 18:05:35 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Oct 14 13:55:19 2021. Ah. I think I remember those. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Thu Oct 14 21:54:08 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by gbs on Wed Oct 13 13:49:38 2021. This works because the BMT is descending, and the IRT is turning east under Eastern Parkway. The southbound IRT express actually flies over the BMT, which is some very clever engineering.Is there a significant change in the IRT elevation between Grand Army Plaza and Franklin Ave? Eastern Parkway (the street) goes downhill eastward into Franklin - I assume the IRT has no need to actually follow the street elevation faithfully. In particular I would assume that the express tracks only rise to reach the level they need to be at at Franklin. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Oct 14 23:40:56 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by murray1575 on Thu Oct 14 06:10:14 2021. It is more than a coincidence that the groundbreaking for the 8th Ave subway was at 122 St & 8th Ave, as it was known back then. That was where the 9th Ave el ran above it. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Oct 15 10:55:18 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Oct 14 23:40:56 2021. IINM the first IND section built was the CPW portion. From what I've seen, it's the only spot on the entire IND division in which the I-beams between the local and express tracks have diagonal braces. |
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Posted by gbs on Fri Oct 15 20:18:22 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by K. Trout on Thu Oct 14 21:54:08 2021. Eastern Pkwy (the street) is built along the crest of the terminal moraine. Any changes in elevation along Eastern Pkwy pale in comparison to the changes in elevation getting up to Eastern Pkwy along the perpendicular avenues (Bedford, Nostrand, Utica, etc). The Grand Concourse in the Bronx is similarly situated on a different ridge. There are minor changes in elevation along the Concourse, but nothing like the slopes on either side. |
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Posted by gbs on Fri Oct 15 20:28:05 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by Q4 on Thu Oct 14 10:25:52 2021. Yes. Just west of Fulton St (G) and Lafayette Av (C), the four tracks from the A,C curve and join the two tracks of the G in one wide tunnel under Lafayette Av, and you used to be able to see all the trains through the columns between the tracks, but the A,C tunnel has been blocked off from the G tunnel and you no longer can see them (but you can hear them). This all happens before the two G tracks dip down and then rise between the Manhattan-bound and Queens-bound A,C tracks at Hoyt-Schermerhorn. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Oct 16 22:04:43 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by gbs on Fri Oct 15 20:28:05 2021. Also, if you were looking from an uptown A or C train, you could see a glimpse of the Fulton St station just after you left the station. |
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Posted by gbs on Sat Oct 16 22:49:25 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by 3-9 on Sat Oct 16 22:04:43 2021. Yes, the uptown C track is right behind the Queens-bound G platform wall at the west end of the station. That's why there's no direct entrance from the street to that G platform, you have to enter the Brooklyn-bound platform first, then use an underpass to the Queens platform. (At the east end of the station there is a direct entrance, but at that end the C track is not right behind the wall, since Fulton & Lafayette diverge.) They easily could have built a transfer passageway between the Queens-bound G platform and the uptown C platform, since they're back to back, but they must have felt it wouldn't be too useful. |
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Posted by jabrams on Sun Oct 17 20:25:34 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by gbs on Sat Oct 16 22:49:25 2021. And I keep on saying a crossover from the G to the C since the tracks are at the same level right before the station. Can solve a problem with a stuck A or C at Hoyt or a G at Hoyt. What happens if an A/C breaks down at Hoyt or Jay - no service from Utica? what happens if a G breaks down at Hoyt - no service from Bedford/Nostrand? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Oct 18 15:52:58 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by gbs on Sat Oct 16 22:49:25 2021. I'm still trying to figure out why they built a Fulton St station for the "G" in the first place! |
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Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Mon Oct 18 17:09:49 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Oct 18 15:52:58 2021. I'm still trying to figure out why they built a Fulton St station for the "G" in the first place!I think with Brooklyn Tech and the Academy of Music close by, and in 1933 several major movie houses right there on Fulton Street, as well as the LIRR Terminal a couple of blocks away, a Fulton/Lafayette station for the then-GG would have been seen as an amenity for "uptown" Brooklyn residents traveling to these destinations. Otherwise, it would have been a bit of a walk from Hoyt-Schemerhorn or a PITA transfer to the Fulton local. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Oct 18 18:17:58 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for October 10, posted by jabrams on Sun Oct 17 20:25:34 2021. Oy Gevalt!!!I'm not sure there's enough room to squeeze in any switches at H-S. |
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