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Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 23 12:37:48 2020 Tuscarora Dispatch No.31 R-40 / R-42 Roll Signs The R-40 and R-42 subway cars carried a one large roll sign and each side of the car. The outside reading was: destination / route letter / destination. The route letter was shown with the appropriate color. The inside reading was a strip map of the line. Not all the routes shown were ever operated. D Set 205 Street / Bronx D Coney Island 205 Street / Bronx D Brighton Beach 205 Street / Bronx D Kings Highway 205 Street / Bronx D Second Avenue Bedford Park Boulevard D Brighton Beach Bedford Park Boulevard CC Hudson Terminal Special S - Special A-AA-B Set 207 Street / Manhattan A Far Rockaway 207 Street / Manhattan A Lefferts Boulevard 207 Street / Manhattan A Euclid Avenue 168 Street / Manhattan AA - Hudson Terminal 168 Street / Manhattan B Coney Island 168 Street / Manhattan B Bay Parkway 168 Street / Manhattan B Second Avenue 57 Street / 6 Avenue B Coney Island Special S - Special RR Set Astoria RR 95 Street / Brooklyn Astoria RR 36 Street / Brooklyn Queensboro Plaza RR 95 Street / Brooklyn Astoria RR Canal Street Essex Street RR 95 Street / Brooklyn Chambers Street RR 95 Street / Brooklyn Special S - Special KK-LL-M Set 57 Street / 6 Avenue KK 168 Street / Jamaica 57 Street / 6 Avenue KK Crescent Street 57 Street / 6 Avenue KK Metropolitan Avenue 57 Street / 6 Avenue KK Eastern Parkway 57 Street / 6 Avenue KK Rockaway Parkway Eighth Avenue LL Rockaway Parkway Eighth Avenue LL Myrtle Avenue Metropolitan Avenue M Chambers Street Metropolitan Avenue M Broad Street Special S - Special QB-QJ Set 57 Street / 7 Avenue QB Brighton Beach 57 Street / 7 Avenue QB Coney Island 168 Street / Jamaica QJ Coney Island 168 Street / Jamaica QJ Brighton Beach 168 Street / Jamaica QJ Kings Highway Eastern Parkway QJ Coney Island Essex Street QJ Coney Island 168 Street / Jamaica QJ Broad Street Special S Special E-F Set 179 Street / Jamaica E Hudson Terminal 179 Street / Jamaica E - Euclid Avenue 179 Street / Jamaica E Lefferts Boulevard Continental Avenue E Aqueduct 179 Street / Jamaica E Rockaway Park 179 Street / Jamaica E Far Rockway 179 Street / Jamaica F Church Avenue 179 Street / Jamaica F Coney Island 179 Street / Jamaica F Second Avenue 179 Street / Jamaica F Kings Highway Special S Special EE-N-GG 179 Street / Jamaica EE Whitehall Street Continental Avenue EE Whitehall Street Continental Avenue EE Canal Street Continental Avenue N Coney Island 57 Street / 7 Avenue N Coney Island 57 Street / 7 Avenue N Kings Highway Continental Avenue GG Church Avenue Continental Avenue GG Smith 9 Street Special S Special Source: ERA New York Division Bulletin / April & June 1969. Thanks to that railfan(s) of long ago who took the time to copy down these readings. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns |
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Posted by zac on Thu Apr 23 14:32:29 2020, in response to Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 23 12:37:48 2020. So, based on photos on NYCSubway.org the following cars were assigned:D: 4702-4809 A/AA/B: 4585-4692 RR: 4812-4849 KK/LL/M: 4888-4923 QB/QJ: 4850-4884 E/F: 4929-4949 N: 4550-4580 Obviously, not all numbers were identified, and there were a few out of sequence cars too. I checked 1968 through 1975. After the QJ/M switch both sequences appeared on the Brighton line, but the original M cars didn't have side roll signs although the QJ cars had M signs spliced in I guess. I remember those with a black M on the side and a blue M on the front. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Apr 23 19:07:11 2020, in response to Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 23 12:37:48 2020. I could have sworn that the RR signs read Ditmars Blvd / Astoria, but maybe not. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Apr 23 19:20:03 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Apr 23 19:07:11 2020. I've never seen anything but ASTORIA on any roll sign on any B div. equiptment from the standards on up. However, IIRC the R12s had DITMARS BLVD on both front & side roll signs. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 23 20:20:45 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Apr 23 19:20:03 2020. The R-42s in fact did read Ditmars Blvd/Astoria." |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Apr 23 21:59:27 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 23 20:20:45 2020. Thought so. The R-27/30s did say "ASTORIA". Never saw an R-32 on the RR, so no idea what their rolls had. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 23 22:44:49 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Apr 23 21:59:27 2020. R-32s and 38s also just read Astoria." |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns |
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Posted by gbs on Fri Apr 24 03:29:24 2020, in response to Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 23 12:37:48 2020. When the R40 slants first came in 1967 and were assigned to Jamaica, they had only E and F signs (and S), but not GG. Soon after their arrival they were used on the GG on weekends, cut into 4-car trains (with the conductor in a 1/3 configuration). But there were no GG signs, so the huge sign up front showed either the S or a half-half combination or blank. How stupid to assign cars to a yard and not order all the route signs for that yard. When the R40Ms arrived later, they did include both GG (green) and EE (orange) signs.  
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 24 08:08:28 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Apr 23 19:07:11 2020. I could have sworn that the RR signs read Ditmars Blvd / Astoria, but maybe not. You are right. I have corrected the master copy and re-posted it. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 24 08:31:39 2020, in response to Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 23 12:37:48 2020. Not a whole lot of operating flexibility, but I guess it seemed like a good idea at the time. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Apr 24 08:34:57 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by gbs on Fri Apr 24 03:29:24 2020. "How stupid to assign cars to a yard and not order all the route signs for that yard."A prime example of that was on the Flushing Line in 1963-64 when R-33ML cars were sent to Corona.They all lacked the #7 and Main St. Flushing destinations on their roll signs. This was during the transition period when the lines R-12/14/15s were sent to the mainline while while accepting the R33/36WF at the time. Hastily installed white cardboard signs with black lettering were used. This was during the transition period when the lines R-12/14/15s were sent to the mainline while while accepting the R33/36WF at the time. While they didn't just replace the older equiptment with the new on a train by train basis & leave the R33ML's on the main line I could never understand. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 24 10:17:06 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Apr 24 08:34:57 2020. Jim: What really made on sense was that the mainline R-33's and 36's had reading for all IRT routes except the No. 7. The World's Fair R-33 and R-36's had reading only for the Flushing Line. Talk about being short sighted. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Fri Apr 24 14:04:47 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by gbs on Fri Apr 24 03:29:24 2020. Could it have been a limitation on the size of the roll? Those up-front letters were huge.--Mark |
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Posted by BMT Standard on Fri Apr 24 16:40:50 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 24 10:17:06 2020. IINM, the R12, R14, and R15 cars, which served on the Flushing line up to about 1963, had readings for all IRT routes. In the mid-1950s, I recall seeing R15s on the #6 - Lexington Ave Local. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 24 17:19:05 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by BMT Standard on Fri Apr 24 16:40:50 2020. The TA always did things like that. The R-16s with the exception of about a half dozen cars had only roll signs for the BMT East and not the Southern. I do seem to recall that the R-11s were unique in that they had roll signs for both IND and BMT routes something that was not repeated until the arrival of the R-27s. Even the R-27s through 38s were a bit lacking in planning since they lacked a few readings that proved to be necessary a few years later with Chrystie. The R-1s through had route signs for all possible combinations of local and express service with both a single and double letter for every line with the exception of the GG and HH. The possible reason for not having a single G or H was that there was really no possibility of running any sort of an express service on either of those line which was possible on the others. The so called planners who designed the roll signs for the R-27s and up dropped the ball in a number of ways. The included a single letter C/8 Ave Exp for an operation that hadnt run for years and was probably never intended to run again but left off a single letter B for a 6 Av exp service that eventually did run. When it came to BMT readings, the so called planners included Southern Div readings which included the name Bway along with the branch name, something which the BMT never did. The idiocy got exacerbated further when the cesspool of incompetence opted to completely eliminate the branch line names from the route signs on the R-32s and up instead to only display the Manhattan centric Bway on the route signs. Their excuse was that the IRT and IND didnt have branch line names, why should the BMT be any different. I never occurred to them that unlike the other divisions, the BMT was unique in that the different branch lines all went to a common terminal, Coney Island. In addition the BMT ran specialized rush hour services known as Bankers Specials which ran on both the 4 Av and Brighton Lines into Nassau St and not Bway. No provision was made for either of these services. Moreover, unlike the INDs lettering system which linked letters in combinations between the branch lines and the trunk lines, BMT route numbers prior to the introduction of letters only identified the branch line regardless of which trunk line in Manhattan it used. As a result, prior to Chrystie, both 4 Av and Brighton Bankers Specials were missigned with the letter M which was intended for and eventually used on the Myrtle/ Nassau service. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 24 17:20:30 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Fri Apr 24 14:04:47 2020. The letters on the R-40Ms and 42s werent that much smaller and they contained more letters than just 2. |
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Posted by zac on Sat Apr 25 09:23:18 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 24 17:19:05 2020. What I never understood was why weren't the Chrystie St designations already in place on the signs. It wasn't as if they didn't know it was coming. Of course, they were still making route changes up to the last minute before it opened, and some like the NX or QJ probably weren't anticipated. But as far as the R32 goes, not putting the branches on gave it some flexibility. If say the T was needed for a line that ran on Broadway from Astoria to Whitehall, they could use it even though it never went on the West End. But that brings up another question, why didn't they reuse the T? Why did they go with W? Even when that train became the West End for a while during the bridge closure?And I don't understand why they didn't put the B on the R32, or knowing it wasn't there, designate the new train as the BB? Instead, they pasted a black B on a white background over the white BB on the black background. I have the sign used in the R16s and 27s that includes all the missing combinations. I posted it here not that long ago, but here goes again on the magic carpet:  |
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Posted by zac on Sat Apr 25 09:27:45 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 24 17:20:30 2020. I think it was the combinations of terminals on the side signs that limited how many could be fit. The front signs just corresponded to those.Back in the old days the signs between the cars weren't changed and you would see all of the front signs however that car was used and you'd see that they only had the signs for that particular batch. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Apr 25 09:57:02 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by zac on Sat Apr 25 09:23:18 2020. Zac: The question that you asked has been perplexing railfans for years. I believe that ground was broken for the Chrystie Street Line several years before it actually opened. It would appear that actually planning for the services to be run did not begin until about a month or two prior to November 1967. Of course train prior to that time was confusing. Some trains carried route numbers, some route letter(s) others carried only a route name. Some routes had several different reading depending on the tyoe of car used; Brighton Express, "Q"Broadway-Brighton Express, "Q" Broadway Express. Clearly there was a lack of preparation and education for the transit personnel. Witness a ten car "D" train trying to open the doors at the 8-car Broadway-Canal Street station. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 25 11:55:18 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Apr 25 09:57:02 2020. Whoops! |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sat Apr 25 13:41:10 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by zac on Sat Apr 25 09:23:18 2020. Agreed. No doubt in my mind that the omission of the B from the R32 roll signs must've been an oversight. A very unfortunate mistake/oversight too seeing as the R32 was such a large car class which was used plenty on the B as well as the rest of the IND/BMT |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 25 14:20:51 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by zac on Sat Apr 25 09:23:18 2020. I remember those pasted-on B labels. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Apr 25 16:10:37 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Apr 25 09:57:02 2020. The cesspool of incompetence that passes for TA upper management and planning has always been extremely short sighted. On the BMT, the name Bway should NEVER have been included on the route signs, only the branch line. Also route signs should have carried both the single and double letter for ALL routes so that both lcl and exp service could be operated on all routes. Common sense dictates that, but nobody ever accused the TA management of having common sense or any sense for that matter. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Apr 25 16:10:52 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Apr 25 09:57:02 2020. The cesspool of incompetence that passes for TA upper management and planning has always been extremely short sighted. On the BMT, the name Bway should NEVER have been included on the route signs, only the branch line. Also route signs should have carried both the single and double letter for ALL routes so that both lcl and exp service could be operated on all routes. Common sense dictates that, but nobody ever accused the TA management of having common sense or any sense for that matter. |
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Posted by gbs on Sat Apr 25 23:34:18 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 25 14:20:51 2020.     Thanks to nycsubway.org |
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Posted by Dan on Sun Apr 26 15:27:12 2020, in response to Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 23 12:37:48 2020. 57 Street / 6 Avenue KK Metropolitan Avenue57 Street / 6 Avenue KK Rockaway Parkway The above services were never noted on any map but apparently did exist. Wasn't it a 1-trip a day kind of thing? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Apr 26 16:08:49 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by Dan on Sun Apr 26 15:27:12 2020. 3 KK trains were stored at Freash Pond yard, for AM rush BEFORE regularly scheduled M service.These were MM trains, using KK markers, operating to 57th Street From Metropolitan Ave. These trains returned there,layed up for the afternoon. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Apr 26 16:08:57 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by Dan on Sun Apr 26 15:27:12 2020. Provisional readings? (Though 57/6-Metropolitian should have been MM) |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Apr 26 16:13:54 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by WayneJay on Sat Apr 25 13:41:10 2020. Yep, as seen in the opening credits of a popular sitcom. :)R-32s at 0:12 and 0:29, also check out 1:02, French Connection R-42 4572! (Wonder if they lifted that from the film itself) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 26 16:15:22 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by Edwards! on Sun Apr 26 16:08:49 2020. These were MM trains, using KK markers, operating to 57th Street From Metropolitan Ave.Interesting. I wonder how many riders in Middle Village and Ridgewood knew about this, and timed their morning commute to be on one of those KK trains to avoid a transfer to the LL? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 26 16:21:48 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Apr 26 16:13:54 2020. Sebastian Leone? I would never know the name if not for this intro video.Love this video. R-32's and drying laundry. Towards the end a young girl steps into the street and checks the route sign of the bus. I hope she didn't get lost. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Apr 26 16:31:31 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by Dan on Sun Apr 26 15:27:12 2020. 57 Street / 6 Avenue KK Metropolitan Avenue 57 Street / 6 Avenue KK Rockaway Parkway The above services were never noted on any map but apparently did exist. Wasn't it a 1-trip a day kind of thing? Dan: This is from the July 1, 1968 schedule. KK - Lv 57th St-6th Av to Metropolitan Av (Myrtle) at 726, 736, 754 and 809 AM. No PM service . KK - Lv Rockaway Parkway to 57th St-6th Av 621, 640, 655 AM. No PM service. I rode both of these services and they did carry "KK" signs. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Apr 26 17:25:00 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by Edwards! on Sun Apr 26 16:08:49 2020. As I recall from being a T/D at Essex there were 4 KKs that went to Met in the AM rush. They were technically MMs but they carried KK signs. Actually if the double lettering system were still in use, the present M would technically be a MM since it runs lcl from end to end with no express running at all. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Apr 26 17:27:08 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 26 16:21:48 2020. Interesting. The Borough president was Sebastian Leone and the performer of the theme song was John Sebastian. |
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Posted by Dan on Sun Apr 26 18:01:22 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Apr 26 16:31:31 2020. Is that info from an internal TA schedule? |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sun Apr 26 20:04:51 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Apr 26 16:13:54 2020. Yup! I watched Welcome Back Kotter regularly as a kid. Always looked forward to seeing those R-32s, the R-42, and of course the fishbowl in the closing credits. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sun Apr 26 20:04:51 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Apr 26 16:13:54 2020. Yup! I watched Welcome Back Kotter regularly as a kid. Always looked forward to seeing those R-32s, the R-42, and of course the fishbowl in the closing credits. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Apr 26 20:29:35 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Apr 26 16:13:54 2020. I saw another snippet that was probably lifted from TFC. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Apr 26 20:30:37 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by Edwards! on Sun Apr 26 16:08:49 2020. They should have been signed as a double Moe. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Apr 26 22:59:37 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by Dan on Sun Apr 26 18:01:22 2020. Yes. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 27 01:53:16 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Apr 26 16:31:31 2020. If there was no PM service to balance the AM KKs how did those 4 trains make it back to DO Yd for the next days AM KK service. I can see the absence of PM KKs returning to Canarsie since layups at Atlantic can easily make it to Canarsie Yd, but a transfer from Met to DO Yd would require a reverse move at Bway/Myrt. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 27 02:00:16 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Apr 26 20:30:37 2020. I agree, but since there werent enough plat C/Rs at 57/6 to change the signs, it was easier to let them run as KKs. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Apr 27 08:22:23 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by randyo on Mon Apr 27 02:00:16 2020. Did the Arnines have MM as a route designation? (since that was the equipment used on the KK/K the majority of the time. I think I've seen one or two pics of an R-42 on the KK on nycsubway.org. Never saw a pic of an R-27/30 (which doesn't mean it never happened)) |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Apr 27 09:18:51 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Apr 27 08:22:23 2020. Did the Arnines have MM as a route designation? (since that was the equipment used on the KK/K the majority of the time. I think I've seen one or two pics of an R-42 on the KK on nycsubway.org. Never saw a pic of an R-27/30 (which doesn't mean it never happened)) The following readings were added to the IND R-1/9's as they were transferred to the Eastern Division: KK AV OF AMERICAS LOCAL LL 14th STREET LOCAL M NASSAU STREET MM AV OF AMERICAS LOCAL QJ NASSAU ST The readings are courtesy of Mr. Douglas Grotjahn. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns |
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Posted by Dan on Mon Apr 27 09:24:06 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Apr 26 22:59:37 2020. Interesting. The AM rush Metropolitan runs must have been empty. But the AM Canarsie service made sense for riders and should have been noted on the public maps. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Apr 27 09:30:01 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by Dan on Mon Apr 27 09:24:06 2020. The AM rush Metropolitan runs must have been empty. The only reason to run the trains to Metropolitan Avenue in the AM rush was for midday layup in Fresh Pond Yard. Presumably they ran light from Fresh Pond to 57th Street before the start of the PM rush. Does anyone have details of timetables from that time? Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 27 15:06:08 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Apr 27 09:18:51 2020. I seem to recall seeing AA readings on the Eastern R-1/9s since at some point there was a plan to run the AA local out to the BMT Eastern. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 27 15:14:51 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Apr 27 09:30:01 2020. Even the runs returning the E/Pky or Atlantic would have been empty since they were going against the peak direction of traffic. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Apr 27 18:43:25 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by randyo on Mon Apr 27 15:06:08 2020. I have one of those route curtains and it does have an AA sign. My IND route curtain has EE via Broadway and TT - West End Local spliced onto the A end. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Apr 28 01:39:13 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 31 - R-40 / R-42 Roll SIgns, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Apr 27 18:43:25 2020. TT spliced into the roll sign near the A end would make sense since in the unlikely event an R-1/9 ended up on the TT shuttle it wouldnt take too much effort to change between B and TT displays. |
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