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Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Oct 8 19:02:42 2013, in response to Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by renee gil on Tue Oct 8 18:34:41 2013. the 1930's EE - 8th Ave Lcl route ran from continental avenue to hudson terminal (h&m). Renee: That is not correct. What reference are you siting? Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Oct 8 19:03:20 2013, in response to Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by renee gil on Tue Oct 8 18:32:09 2013. Yes. |
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Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933)Correcte [A Timeline] |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Oct 8 19:04:17 2013, in response to Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Oct 8 19:02:42 2013. the 1930's EE - 8th Ave Lcl route ran from continental avenue to hudson terminal (h&m).Renee: That is not correct. What references are you using? Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by renee gil on Tue Oct 8 19:06:29 2013, in response to Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by italianstallion on Tue Oct 8 19:03:20 2013. okay. |
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Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by renee gil on Tue Oct 8 19:15:29 2013, in response to Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Oct 8 19:02:42 2013. well i thought it was. maybe I got it confused with the original E route from roosevelt ave to hudson terminal (h&m). |
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Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Oct 8 19:38:04 2013, in response to Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by randyo on Mon Oct 7 16:48:16 2013. Here's the info I have.From 4/24/37 - 12/15/40: Non-Rush Hours EE ran from 169th to Church Ave making all stops Mon-Sat Rush Hours E ran from 169th to Church Ave exp from 71st to Queens Plaza GG ran from 71st to Nassau Ave (extended to Smith-9th 7/1/37) After 12/15/40 Full Time E 169th to Bway-Laff (exp 71st to Queens Plaza) F Parsons to Church Ave (exp Parsons to Queens Plaza) GG 71st to Smith-9th |
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Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 8 23:47:19 2013, in response to Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by renee gil on Tue Oct 8 17:32:17 2013. Yes. The Brighton line (QB) ran to Astoria. |
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Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Wed Oct 9 09:07:29 2013, in response to Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 8 23:47:19 2013. It did, in fact one or two trains that ran to Astoria as QB's returned southbound as N trains. I also recall the Museum R1-9 train being in daily QB service, it made the trip north around 8am if I recall correctly and then returned to CIY light over the Sea Beach line and then did the exact in the PM rush. |
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Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Oct 9 09:28:14 2013, in response to Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by Mr. D - Type on Wed Oct 9 09:07:29 2013. When I was a conductor from 11/79 to 2/81 I worked some QB Specials, 1 round trip on overtime before/after your regular job. Specials no longer exist today. The first 2 QB's from Stillwell went to Astoria, then returned as RR's to 36th St/4th Ave. and laid up.On the PM, 2 early RR lay-ups at Astoria got changed over to the last 2 QB's, went to Stillwell, then laid up for RR service for the next morning. I worked these a couple of times as a vacation relief conductor. |
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Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Wed Oct 9 10:33:39 2013, in response to Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Oct 9 09:28:14 2013. Bill, ever work the R9 museum train ? |
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Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Oct 9 11:05:26 2013, in response to Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by Mr. D - Type on Wed Oct 9 10:33:39 2013. No. In my training for motorman/train operator they were only used on the garbage train as I recall. We did "play" with them one morning at 36th St. Yard but that was it. |
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Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 9 17:45:44 2013, in response to Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by Mr. D - Type on Wed Oct 9 09:07:29 2013. The QBs that you are referring to were the post Chrystie QBs that ran as rush hour only specials. Prior to Chrystie, the Brighton lcls that ran through the tunnel when Brighton exps operated carried QT signs and when the Brighton exps stopped running, the Brighton lcls ran vial the bridge and displayed QB signs. The Brighton lcls ran to Astoria 24/7 and during rush hours were supplemented by West End (T) expresses on the Astoria branch. |
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Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by W.B. on Sat Feb 13 17:23:07 2016, in response to Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by Michael549 on Mon Oct 7 12:11:45 2013. I doubt it. The way the typesetting on the '23rd ST. - ELY AVE.' station name tablet - particularly the shape of the 'S' as well as of the numbers - point to it being prepared in or around 1937 at the earliest. It certainly matches with the 169th Street station in the overall shape (especially the 'S' within the name tablet), and preceded the tiling for the three local stations on the Sixth Avenue line. 23rd / Ely is the last new station in the entire system to bear the pre-lettered / numbered tile variant in use since the late 1920's when tiling for the stations between 207th and 116th Streets and again from West 4th Street to Chambers Street/Hudson Terminal (now World Trade Center) was put in. As also used on the following other stations opened up to the end of 1933:- Bronx Concourse: 205th Street through 174th-175th Street - Queens Boulevard: Queens Plaza to 46th Street - South Brooklyn: Bergen Street to Church Avenue - Brooklyn Crosstown: Court Square to Nassau Avenue - Jay Street-Borough Hall |
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Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by W.B. on Sat Feb 13 18:16:31 2016, in response to Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by gbs on Mon Oct 7 21:50:37 2013. If I were in charge of the lettered tile replacement program, there would have been a small "AND" between "STREET" and "TRANSFER" at Metropolitan/Grand - and no space separation. As for the 'Q' in Court Square, that same variant was used in only one other station - Queens Plaza. (Whose 'Z', in turn, was also turned sideways in place of 'N' in some portions of the Kingsbridge Road station of the Concourse line.) |
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Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by K. Trout on Sun Feb 14 13:06:48 2016, in response to Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by W.B. on Sat Feb 13 17:23:07 2016. What do you mean by "pre-lettered/numbered tile variant"? What's different about it from other IND name tablets? |
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Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by W.B. on Sun Feb 14 20:40:09 2016, in response to Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by K. Trout on Sun Feb 14 13:06:48 2016. Meaning, letters or numbers (white type on black background) printed by some fashion on 4¼" x 4¼" tiles, that's the "pre-lettered/numbered" I speak of, seen on many a sidewall below tile bands opposite island platforms. It's different from the name tablets in stations with side platforms. |
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Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Apr 30 19:13:19 2018, in response to Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by randyo on Mon Oct 7 16:44:23 2013. Could this map be seen? |
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Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by randyo on Tue May 1 21:09:45 2018, in response to Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by chud1 on Mon Oct 7 03:00:04 2013. R-9s never had speedometers. |
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[PHOTO] Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed May 2 07:26:06 2018, in response to Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by William A. Padron on Mon Oct 7 16:27:46 2013. at 50th Street-8th Avenue lower level, which appeared in one of Bill Newkirk's New York City Subway Calendars. 
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Re: [PHOTO] Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed May 2 08:22:09 2018, in response to [PHOTO] Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed May 2 07:26:06 2018. Yeah, that's the one! Thanks as a reminder for posting and sharing here, Bill!-William A. Padron ["IND"] |
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Re: [PHOTO] Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by randyo on Wed May 2 15:46:47 2018, in response to [PHOTO] Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed May 2 07:26:06 2018. I wonder why the IND disregarded its own rules for route lettering especially since the original route had absolutely no express running at all. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed May 2 19:57:08 2018, in response to [PHOTO] Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed May 2 07:26:06 2018. You'd be hard pressed to find a Queens-Roosevelt Av front destination sign now. Not to mention World's Fair (the IND one, NOT the one on the WF R-33/36s). |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed May 2 19:57:44 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by randyo on Wed May 2 15:46:47 2018. Perhaps they were planning ahead. |
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Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed May 2 20:03:31 2018, in response to Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by randyo on Tue May 1 21:09:45 2018. The gear pitch was your speedometer.A-440 was right about 45 mph. During the Parade of Trains in 2004, the IND old timers hit a jaw-dropping B (middle line on the treble staff) above middle C, which had to be approaching 50. If only I'd had my Smartphne with the speedometer app then... |
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Re: [PHOTO] Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed May 2 23:47:05 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by randyo on Wed May 2 15:46:47 2018. Good point. And wasn't "EE" on the original destination signs?Looking closely, the Exp. sign in the front is not lit. The "Local" is. |
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Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu May 3 00:02:37 2018, in response to Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed May 2 20:03:31 2018. you have good ears.are you a musician? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu May 3 05:44:20 2018, in response to Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by Express Rider on Thu May 3 00:02:37 2018. Yes. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu May 3 07:18:20 2018, in response to [PHOTO] Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed May 2 07:26:06 2018. The super-clean state of the station and lack of even a single passenger tells me that this was a publicity shot and/or a test train just before the line opened.Also, I'd never want to argue with anyone who remembers, or has spoken to anyone who remembered, what things were like back then- but everything I've read tells me that the first Queens Boulevard service was provided by the E. Maybe they wanted to designate it as such, even though it was a local, to make it the primary letter for the line- sort of like how the 8th Ave Line is the A- even though the D runs on it a lot (as did the original C, back then)? |
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Re: [PHOTO] Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu May 3 13:02:23 2018, in response to [PHOTO] Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed May 2 07:26:06 2018. Wow.And already there are water leaks. |
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Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu May 3 13:54:11 2018, in response to Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu May 3 05:44:20 2018. what instrument?what styles? I play clarinet and sax, and simple piano. Haven't had instruments in years though. |
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Re: [PHOTO] Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by randyo on Thu May 3 15:09:09 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by MainR3664 on Thu May 3 07:18:20 2018. The only time the D runs on the true 8 Av Line as opposed to CPW is during GOs. |
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Re: [PHOTO] Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by randyo on Thu May 3 15:13:43 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by MainR3664 on Thu May 3 07:18:20 2018. You have it right. The photo is dated 8/18/33 and the line opened the next day 8/19/33. |
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Re: [PHOTO] Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu May 3 19:04:17 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by Express Rider on Wed May 2 23:47:05 2018. Yes, all R-1/9s had single and double letter signs for all letter routes except the GG and Heaving Harry. Only the FF sign has never ben used. |
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Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu May 3 19:10:03 2018, in response to Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by Express Rider on Thu May 3 13:54:11 2018. I'm primarily a percussionist-timpanist and also dabble on accordion. Classical is my first love and passion. |
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Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by VictorM on Thu May 3 20:07:49 2018, in response to Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu May 3 19:10:03 2018. Catch this gal! (skip to 1:10, unless you know Italian) |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 4 06:59:40 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by randyo on Thu May 3 15:09:09 2018. Ok, fair enough. I meant CPW. But even the CPW stretch is still, at least colloquially known as the "8th Avenue Line". Just like much of the "Queens Boulevard Line" runs on Broadway and Northern Boulevard. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri May 4 11:35:29 2018, in response to Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu May 3 19:10:03 2018. Nice!I listen to and collect jazz, & rock from the late 60s, but grew up listening to classical music with my parents.' I love the Beethoven string quartets, his symphonies and various other chamber music. Also like various 20th century material. keeping it transit related, took the west side IRT up to Bernard Baruch hall (??) during the 90s to see the Emerson 4tet do the Beethoven quartet cycle. |
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Re: [PHOTO] Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri May 4 14:45:21 2018, in response to [PHOTO] Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed May 2 07:26:06 2018. nice |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 4 15:40:57 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu May 3 13:02:23 2018. Wow.And already there are water leaks. Possibly not water leaks, possibly the platforms were hosed down since the line would open the next day. Bill Newkirk |
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Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline] |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri May 4 20:48:28 2018, in response to Re: The IND's 1st 13 Months (1932-1933) [A Timeline], posted by Express Rider on Fri May 4 11:35:29 2018. I could play Beethoven all day long. His timpani parts are a joy. I've taken the 1 to Lincoln Center to take in the NY Philharmonic as well as the Met. |
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