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Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Mon Apr 9 23:47:53 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Apr 9 21:07:28 2018. If you're looking for a solution for the short platform/long train problem, an example is there by Southwestern Trains (formerly SouthWest Trains) in the UK. Their units are equipped with transponders that work with transponders on the tracks. They can tell whether or not a passenger door is right up against a platform and stay closed for short platforms.SWT runs comparable length trains as LIRR (up to 12 cars) and they only need ONE guard/conductor per train to handle this. Yes they have to announce that an upcoming stop is at a short platform and have people move forward as necessary to gain access to working passenger doors. Of course their system is a barrier system at stations so a ticket or pass has be swiped before allowing access to a platform. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Apr 10 00:04:04 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 9 23:25:06 2018. this is a case of "book learning" versus "street smarts". |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Apr 10 00:05:29 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by ntrainride on Mon Apr 9 23:04:39 2018. That’s not quite the way OPTO works. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Apr 10 00:06:45 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by ntrainride on Mon Apr 9 23:24:02 2018. These days with surveillance cameras and passenger emergency alarms keeping tabs on unruly passengers is a lot easier. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Apr 10 00:07:23 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 9 23:26:10 2018. lol just didn't feel like typing "operates". or, um, "engineers". or "pilots". |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Apr 10 00:11:53 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by randyo on Tue Apr 10 00:06:45 2018. but look at the time factor. guy already on the train walking into the car versus passenger alarm button being pushed, video signal being monitored, personnel being summoned.no comparison. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Apr 10 00:15:50 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by randyo on Tue Apr 10 00:05:29 2018. ??? if the set up is, One Person Train Operation... that's EXACTLY how it works. else it would be called OPTO+SE* (* = Someone Else). |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Apr 10 06:02:58 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Apr 9 18:08:00 2018. NJT is the most crowded and the biggest ripoff in terms of fare/mile, how the hell are they making so little? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Apr 10 09:19:55 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by lirr42 on Mon Apr 9 18:47:30 2018. Japanese trains (commuter and subway) still have conductors unless they are very short (4 or fewer cars). A commuter train will sometimes also have a third crewmember: a green car (think parlor car) attendant who serves food/beverages and verifies that everyone has tapped into their seat (self-seat check system - tap card on reader above seat, ticket deducted and light turns green until your destination station).Singapore with full ZPTO has multiple staff at every station monitoring trains. This creates the rather novel situation where during off peak, there are more staff working than there would be if the trains were manned but the stations were not. Sorry but at the bare minimum LIRR/MNRR should run with 2 man crews. Of course FRA requires a minimum of 3 and thanks to our ancient fare collection mentality, we need far more than that. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Apr 10 11:21:02 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by lirr42 on Mon Apr 9 18:47:30 2018. Assisting people is nice, but they are there to secure the equipment.Suppose a collision takes out the engineer, what then of the train. You say BIE, but what about communications with control, shutting down power, setting brakes if necessary. Yes people are a priority, but not the first priority. The conductor deputizes a few good looking persons to help in this car and then goes on tot eh next, opening doors or windows and organizing people to help him. At the point of a train wreck you are by definition looking at a mass casualty, and triage protocol apply. The conductor is in charge of the entire scene until a command center is established. If it is safe to do so, keep people on the train until fire EMS and police arrive. He is the person in charge and needs to communicate with control while the engineer (if alive) manages the scene in front of the train. The more people the better, but an engineer and a conductor seem to be most optimal once fares are done otherwise. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Apr 10 11:35:17 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Apr 10 06:02:58 2018. It is NEW JERSEY... You gotta pay off all of the graft first.ROAR |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 10 13:33:32 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Apr 10 09:19:55 2018. … ancient fare collection mentality …No free society wants Big Brother at their seat while riding the train. That tapping-on thing is MOTB material. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 10 14:22:47 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by pragmatist on Mon Apr 9 22:32:36 2018. If you think the ADA is going away because of a Supreme Court change in thinking …Oh, I didn't say that. It might take something much worse, such as what happened in response to Dred Scott v. Sandford. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Apr 10 15:53:21 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 10 14:22:47 2018. LOL. Civil war over the handicapped? |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 10 17:19:44 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Apr 10 06:02:58 2018. The crews get paid less too. I don't know where all their money goes. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 10 17:23:53 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by lirr42 on Mon Apr 9 23:28:35 2018. Cannonball needs 0 collectors. They have all the way from Penn Station to Westhampton to collect tickets by the conductor and the AC ( or is brakeman ?) . |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 10 18:02:04 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by lirr42 on Mon Apr 9 19:11:21 2018. A zone 4 to 7 ticket is good on any branch for a ride between zones 4 and 7. The name of the stations doesn't matter. But between another 2 zones, it is no good, even if they cost the same. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 10 18:02:51 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 9 23:25:06 2018. It's called take the money and run. Politicians are very good at that. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Apr 10 23:13:48 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 10 13:33:32 2018. ... you can buy the card with cash. It is untraceable unless you choose to register it for balance protection, same as a Metrocard. No need for conspiracy theories here... |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Apr 10 23:16:12 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 10 17:19:44 2018. I think it went into multilevels and ALP46s which replaced perfectly good ALP-44s, Comet IIIs, and Arrow IIIs years earlier than needed... |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Apr 10 23:24:33 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by lirr42 on Mon Apr 9 07:38:32 2018. I prefer the turnstile system over PoP, like BART/WMATA, Australia* and Asia. It's like the ticket system for a turnpike; If you somehow got in without a ticket or tapping, or lose your ticket/card before exiting, worst case is the most expensive fare is charged. No fear of draconian fines. It's a bit klugey if you're travelling beyond the turnstile zone, though (such as intercity trains in Australia and Asia).*Though Melbourne quixotically has both turnstiles and PoP enforcement. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Apr 11 00:20:22 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by lirr42 on Mon Apr 9 19:11:21 2018. Under PoP the passenger would be required to purchase the $0 extension of ride fare from the ticket machine and active the correct ticket before boarding.So I obtain a $0 extension of ride fare (or as many as needed) before boarding, and I can still ride from Mineola to Greenport on a $3.25 ticket to Farmingdale. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 11 00:39:02 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by italianstallion on Mon Apr 9 20:52:19 2018. That’s OK. Olog-hai doesn't know what that is. He only knows about the Soviet Constitution. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 11 00:42:48 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Apr 9 23:17:46 2018. That was obviously his intention. Reductio ad absurdum. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 11 01:41:13 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Apr 10 23:16:12 2018. The Arrow IIIs were scheduled for a second rebuild. The first rebuild excluded extant technologies such as "long doors" and automatic variable-tap transformers for no reason. Same with the Comet I rebuild excluding long doors for high-platform operation and exchanging 2-2 reversible seating for 3-2 fixed seating.And the Arrow IIs were retired after just 23 years. The ALP-44s were indeed just fine, as were the Comet IIIs. The latter were deliberately left out in a particular storm. The MLVs having fixed seating is one of their big minuses. NJT is notoriously bad when it comes to maintenance. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 11 01:42:01 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Apr 10 23:13:48 2018. you can buy the card with cash. It is untraceableNothing electronic is untraceable. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 06:38:05 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Apr 10 23:16:12 2018. That's not operating subsidy money. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 06:39:56 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 11 01:41:13 2018. I was not sorry to see the ALP44 go. They were very weak with long trains. There is no electric service they could handle today, except for 3 and 4 car trains on the M&E out of Hoboken. 8 -9 car Comets was a strain. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 11 07:07:11 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Dan on Fri Apr 6 11:58:36 2018. Fully integrated regional transit was a good idea then, and still is now. But 100 years of unfortunate politics have prevented it. |
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Posted by lirr42 on Wed Apr 11 08:06:23 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Nilet on Wed Apr 11 00:20:22 2018. No. Obviously you can only have one ticket at any given time. Once you extend your trip, your first ticket becomes void and you are issued a new ticket for your intended trip, just like you are now. You can't get multiple extensions on the same ticket, don't be ridiculous. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 11 09:41:31 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 06:39:56 2018. I was not sorry to see the ALP44 go. They were very weak with long trainsSo are the ALP-46s. Why else are average speeds still 10 mph slower than in the past? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 11 09:43:30 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by lirr42 on Mon Apr 9 23:28:35 2018. Nobody's listening to you because of hyperbole.Still posting opinion as fact? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 10:01:57 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 11 09:41:31 2018. At least they can haul a train. The ALP44's could not handle a MLV train over 5 cars, of which there are none, and stalled on M&E's hills with Comets. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 10:04:43 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by lirr42 on Wed Apr 11 08:06:23 2018. I have used 3 tickets on a single journey having bought an assortment for different trips that I never took, but every stretch of it was accounted for, picking up in the same zone where the prior one left off. I think it was 1 to 4, 4 to 9, 9 to 14. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Apr 11 10:56:42 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 11 01:41:13 2018. I actually like the MLV fixed seating. Sometimes you actually want to sit backwards (e.g. trying to sit so the sun is behind you most of the trip). Reversing a seat to do so creates an unneeded four seater section.I am looking forward to the summer Empire Corridor sets with 50-50 seating. |
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Posted by lirr42 on Wed Apr 11 11:47:55 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 11 09:43:30 2018. Perhaps you should actually ride the trains mentioned and count for yourself instead of dismissing facts out-of-hand because they don't align with your opinion. |
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Posted by lirr42 on Wed Apr 11 12:08:38 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Apr 10 11:21:02 2018. There is no evidence passengers are any less safe onboard trains with OPTO than they are with three, eight, or more employees. If there was, people would have actually cited something instead of just talking in straw-man hypotheticals.In the UK, where OPTO is much more common, the Rail Safety and Standards Board, the UK-equivalent of the FRA, studied the impact of OTPO on safety. From the report mentioned here: We have 30 years of data which we have analysed. We have found that the driver performing the task does not increase the risk to passengers at all. The UK Office of Rail and Road found that: Trains with...Driver Only Operation have been in operation in Great Britain for more than 30 years. ORR has scrutinised this approach, and our inspectors are satisfied that with suitable equipment, proper procedures and competent staff in place, it is a safe method of working No, things in New York or the United States are not different. No, things would not be different on the LIRR or Metro-North. There is no actual evidence OPTO is any less safe than 3PTO or that 3PTO is any less safe than 8PTO. Nobody has provided any examples of a train with OPTO being involved in an accident where the evidence showed the outcome would have been different if there were conductors onboard. All the evidence that actually does exist confirms the idea that having conductors onboard trains before, during, or after an accident has little impact on passenger safety. Also note that with things like Positive Train Control and the furtherance of safety technology, there will be an increasing amount of controls in place to prevent accidents before they even happen. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 12:12:08 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by lirr42 on Wed Apr 11 12:08:38 2018. BART I think has the longest rapid transit trains anywhere, 10 X 75' cars, and it is OPTO. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Apr 11 12:39:48 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by lirr42 on Wed Apr 11 08:06:23 2018. Once you extend your trip, your first ticket becomes void and you are issued a new ticket for your intended tripHow does the first ticket become void? Is the ticket machine going to shred it? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 13:01:25 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Nilet on Wed Apr 11 12:39:48 2018. The cancel block was punched and may have been retained by the conductor. After your zone, it is worthless. You have nothing except your seat check. |
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Posted by lirr42 on Wed Apr 11 13:19:51 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Nilet on Wed Apr 11 12:39:48 2018. I believe we have cracked barcode technology...while the machines could be configured to capture old tickets (like PATH turnstiles do does with one-trip ride tickets), the best course of action would be to issue all tickets with QR codes (like NJTransit now does). Riders activate their tickets by scanning the barcode at a fare gate or standalone platform reader. Conductors verify the ticket is valid by scanning the barcode with their RR-issued phones (which are already equipped with special barcode scanners for mobile ticket verification).Changing the ticket would void the original ticket...if you went to scan the original ticket at a fare reader, it would be rejected. If you were caught with only the voided ticket onboard, you would be subject to the full penalty fare. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 11 13:44:01 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by lirr42 on Wed Apr 11 13:19:51 2018. I like tapping better. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 11 13:44:31 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 11 13:44:01 2018. And the best thing about tapping is that it can be direct to credit card like in London. |
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Posted by lirr42 on Wed Apr 11 14:29:33 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 11 13:44:01 2018. In the example PoP plan I've written I suggested Access-IS's VAL100 reader for the fare validators.It not only scans barcodes/QR codes printed on paper tickets, it also has a built-in NFC readers to allow for comparability with contactless cards, bank cards, etc. It would ensure full compatibility with the NFPS for the subway as well as maintain cheap and easy ways to sell single-use tickets. With a system like this, tickets and passes could be purchased and loaded onto a reusable tap card or through a travel account linked to your credit card, and the ticket machines can dispense paper tickets for everyone else. Barcode readers also unlock the possibility of adding new ticket sales channels, since anything that can print a barcode on a piece of paper can be a ticket. That means the railroads can sell print-at-home tickets or sell tickets a retail locations through something along the lines of lottery terminals. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 11 14:30:19 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 10:01:57 2018. MMC strikes again. Watch for the same thing to happen with the 46/As in the near future, even with their AC traction. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Apr 11 14:59:04 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 12:12:08 2018. actually the cars are 70' long and BART originally was planned to be ZPTO. OPTO from day one, and trains have intercom from each car so you can call the T/O to get medical/security issues dealt with. While there are a few medical incidents each year, the ## ae that BART in total hauls about what the L carries. So, a much smaller statistical sample. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 11 15:07:29 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Apr 11 14:59:04 2018. I’m not exactly sure, but if I recall from the last time I rode BART, the “operator” is really no more than an “attendant" and I don't think, they even so much as push a button to activate the doors. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 15:14:16 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 11 14:30:19 2018. ALP44's were never designed for long trains, had poor tractive effort, but to haul 7 car trains to Washington with limited stops at 110MPH. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Apr 11 17:09:39 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 11 15:07:29 2018. not quite. When the computer mis-platforms a train, the T/O takes over to move the train to the correct marker. S/he has door controls which can override the computer. As you might think, when platforms are very crowded, the T/O keeps the doors open while the cars fill beyond the progrtammed dwell. |
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