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Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR

Posted by lirr42 on Mon Apr 9 19:11:21 2018, in response to Re: $787K Study Seeks to Find Ways to Encourage Subway Riders to Ride LIRR and MNRR, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 9 18:17:36 2018.

Except that LIRR tickets don't specify origin and destination; though specific stations are printed on the ticket, the ticket itself is valid for any journey within the zones specified.

A two-zone intermediate ticket is always $3.25, so a ticket that says "Mineola to Farmingdale" is also valid from Farmingdale to Deer Park, and from Deer Park to Ronkonkoma, and from Ronkonkoma to Yaphank, and from Yaphank to Greenport. If I bought that ticket, I could ride from Mineola to Greenport and no fare inspector could confirm that I was taking a $17.25 journey on a $3.25 ticket.

If I were boarding at Penn Station, I could get caught with an invalid ticket between Penn and Mineola, but even then I could simply buy a peak ticket to Mineola and a separate two-zone intermediate and make the journey to Greenport for $15.25 instead of the $29.25 I'm supposed to pay.

You're creating straw-man arguments...replace "Hicksville" with zone 7, "Farmingdale" with zone 7, and "Mineola" with zone 4 in my original statement and the point still stands.

A ticket purchased from Mineola (zone 4) to Farmingdale (zone 7), is not valid from Farmingdale (zone 7) to Deer Park (zone 9). That's a misstatement and a clear contradiction of the tariff regulations which state a ticket is valid between the stations or zones indicated on the ticket.

Today, if you want to use a zone 4-zone 7 ticket for a zone 7-zone 9 trip, the conductor can sell you a $0 extension-of-ride ticket onboard and you can ride for your intended trip. The fare collection manual does state the conductor must sell you the ticket for the intended trip, even if it is a $0 transaction, so everything is properly accounted for.

Under PoP the passenger would be required to purchase the $0 extension of ride fare from the ticket machine and active the correct ticket before boarding. If they were caught at Deer Park with a zone 4-zone 7 ticket, they would be subject to the full penalty fare. If you buy a NYK to Mineola ticket and a Mineola to Farmigndale ticket and get caught at Deer Park you would be subject to the full penalty fare. This is neither unreasonable (it would take all of 30 seconds) nor an undue hardship...

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