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Posted by SLRT on Thu Apr 7 09:43:13 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 6 17:19:22 2016. Similarly, the D train was signed "Concourse- 205th St" although it wasn't on the Grand Concourse. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 7 10:21:56 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Apr 6 21:55:29 2016. Wasn't it called the South Brooklyn Line? |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Apr 7 10:41:01 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 7 10:21:56 2016. It has been called variously been called South Brooklyn Line, Brooklyn Line, Coney Island Line and now Culver Line.Some also say Prospect Park Line, but I think that only applies to the express portion under Prospect Park. The GG as "Brooklyn Queens Local," that ran on the Brooklyn Line and the Queens Line is also a hint, as is that the front route sign said "GG BklynQueens." Not to mention the front destination "BROOKLYN/ CHURCH AVE" |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 7 11:27:49 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by SLRT on Thu Apr 7 09:40:20 2016. It happened rush hours. |
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Posted by Allan on Thu Apr 7 11:44:31 2016, in response to Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Union Tpke on Thu Jan 28 20:17:46 2016. I find this all fascinating and I want to add to the evidence or controversy:On the sidewalk at the southeast corner of Pitkin Av & 80th St (by the cemetery) there is a street grating for what is commonly used for an underground substation (probably arc rectifier). You can see it on Google maps (satellite view) if you put in Pitkin Ave and 80th St and then zoom in on that corner). |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Apr 7 14:34:47 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by SLRT on Thu Apr 7 09:40:20 2016. But prior to 1971 or so, the R10s wouldn't have had the MTA pain scheme... |
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Posted by GIS Man on Thu Apr 7 15:00:31 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Apr 7 14:34:47 2016. But prior to 1971 or so, the R10s wouldn't have had the MTA pain scheme...But whether or not on R10s, I'm sure the riders did! LOL Bob |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 7 17:08:27 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Apr 6 21:55:29 2016. The official name of the IND from Bergen St to Church Ave is the “Smith Street Line.” The crash that occurred on the middle track in the 1930s N/O 7 Ave that wrecked 3 R-4s was referred to as the “Smith St wreck” after the line even though the actual location of the collision was under 9 St. I just happened that the Smith/9 St station happens to be right at the intersection of those 2 streets making the destination sign readings specifically accurate. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 7 17:33:16 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by SLRT on Thu Apr 7 09:43:13 2016. That’s because the the term Concourse denotes the line that the station is on rather than the physical location of the station itself. The 207 St terminal of the A Line is not located in Washington Hts, but is actually in the neighborhood known as Inwood, but the original destination sighs read Wash Hts-207 St since it was the terminal of the iND Washington Hts Line. The IND Queens destinations were somewhat of an enigma since the original signs read “Queens-Forest Hills” and “Queens-Kew Gardens,” while the destination signs for the rest of the line substituted the name “Jamaica” for “Queens.” Another post discussed the Smith St Line of the IND for which the original terminal of the line was signed “Bkln-Church Ave” even though the official name of the line was the “Smith St Line” so that if strict IND policy had been adhered to, should have read “Smith-Church Ave." |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 7 17:35:59 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Apr 7 14:34:47 2016. The R-10s started getting the MTA paint scheme as early as mid 1969. I had one of them as the operating car of my train in July of that year. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 7 17:38:24 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by SLRT on Thu Apr 7 09:40:20 2016. In the late 1950s up until at least 1969, an R-10 would show up on a rush hour A trip usually going only to Euclid rather than Lefferts or Far Rock. What I found interesting is that in late 1962/early 1963, a few R-10s showed up on the AA/BB while the A operated some R-9s. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 7 19:18:10 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by GIS Man on Thu Apr 7 15:00:31 2016. The Thunderbirds wore their original two-tone gray scheme well into the mid-60s, when the racing stripe scheme came along. That was followed by the half-and-half paint job, then platinum mist and blue. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 7 19:21:53 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 7 17:33:16 2016. There was also a Queens-Roosevelt Av destination sign before the line was extended to Kew Gardena. All of those signs must have suffered the same fate as the World's Fair signs (not to be confused with the ones on the R-36s and R-33 singles). I've never seen either one offered anywhere. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Apr 7 22:46:51 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 7 11:27:49 2016. I remember riding an R-1/9 "A" train all the way from B'way- East NY (Jct) to 168 St. My father picked me up at the old Inter-City Bus terminal, there. Somehow, the ride was not as fast as with the R-10's. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 8 07:24:34 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by GIS Man on Thu Apr 7 15:00:31 2016. I promise that it was a typo :)However, much as I love railfanning the subway, from 1996-1998, I rode the 1 from VCP to Rector almost every day. It could definitely be a "pain scheme"... |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Apr 8 14:30:53 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 7 19:21:53 2016. IIRC (& the memory can play tricks) I'm sure that I saw a Queens-Roosevelt sign somewhere during the last 3 years or so - maybe on ebay (?)That website that sells pieces of cloth destination signs, had an image for a World's Fair sign, but stated it was not for sale. Would these signs have been blacked out/ painted over once they were considered obsolete? |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 8 15:03:05 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Express Rider on Fri Apr 8 14:30:53 2016. The BMT had the habit of just leaving obsolete signs: example BMT Standard roll signs kept 6th Avenue as a destination long after the Canarsie Line was extended to 8th Avenue. "Franklin-Nassau" (Standards) and "Coney Island Express" (D-types) remained though they were never used in regular service.They also sewed "new" destinations onto the end of existing rolls. And under BofT, a "new" destination was sown over an older nearby one on the PCCs. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 8 16:50:27 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 7 19:18:10 2016. Actually, some time in the early 1960s, 9 R-10s received a tarter red paint scheme like the R-29s. It was probably intended to make red the standard color of the entire NYCTA fleet until the R-36s came along and then that scheme was used in various permutations on the R-10s but unfortunately not on anything else. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 8 16:52:39 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 8 15:03:05 2016. Franklin-Nassau actually operated on the sunny summer Sunday specials until the service was discontinued in the mid 1950s though the service used ABs exclusively.. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 8 17:07:25 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Apr 7 22:46:51 2016. It may just have been psychological since you were used to the R-10s. I found the R-9s on the a to be just as fast as the 10s as long as there were no trains of other services getting in my way. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 8 18:39:31 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 8 17:07:25 2016. Well ... the rampup to speed was a little longer, but once at speed, I'd say the arnines had 1-2 MPH more than the SMEE's. It was the getting there that took a bit. :) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 8 18:53:18 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 8 18:39:31 2016. Too bad we couldn't settle the matter once and for all. A drag race down the Rockaway straightaway from Howard Beach to Broad Channel would have been just the ticket. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 8 18:55:42 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 8 16:50:27 2016. I've seen photos of those tartar red R-10s. They were wearing the racing stripe scheme by the time I started riding on them in 1967. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 8 18:57:13 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 8 15:03:05 2016. Almost without exception, every BMT standard Lonesome Larry train I ever rode on sported "8th Av-M'nh'tt'n" signs. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 8 20:10:23 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 8 18:53:18 2016. Well, it wouldn't be a fair drop now. The arnines are the only ones that weren't neutered. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Apr 9 03:16:44 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 8 16:50:27 2016. I never saw an R-10 painted red, but have a nice of photo of one that i bought at a NY Div. meeting years ago. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 9 09:28:03 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Express Rider on Sat Apr 9 03:16:44 2016. I thought they look very tacky in Red, though the R27's looked good in it. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 9 11:08:03 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 8 20:10:23 2016. We're talking about the old timers vs the R-10s.:) Start the race at the first bridge and drop the flag. Wrap the controllers and watch 'em take off. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 9 11:10:54 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 9 09:28:03 2016. The racing stripe scheme was the best. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Apr 9 15:55:55 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 9 11:10:54 2016. I agree! |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Apr 9 15:56:46 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 9 09:28:03 2016. What did you think of the similar looking R-12s and 14s in red then? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 9 15:58:54 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by randyo on Sat Apr 9 15:56:46 2016. Didn't like it. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Apr 9 15:59:57 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 9 11:08:03 2016. Not enough R-10s left. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sat Apr 9 16:38:17 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 9 09:28:03 2016. Here's a photo of a newly painted red R10. I like it, but I heard the red quickly faded: (from nycsubway.org) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 9 16:57:27 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by randyo on Sat Apr 9 15:59:57 2016. Too bad they couldn't have done this back in the day. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 9 19:54:02 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by VictorM on Sat Apr 9 16:38:17 2016. Makes you wonder if those red R-10s ever ran as a solid train. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Apr 9 21:37:04 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by randyo on Sat Apr 9 15:55:55 2016. I agree too, but I did like the way they looked in red - just a personal preference. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Apr 9 21:37:04 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by randyo on Sat Apr 9 15:55:55 2016. I agree too, but I did like the way they looked in red - just a personal preference. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Apr 10 14:13:31 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 9 16:57:27 2016. Only two of them are still in existence...#3184 and #3189. Do not expect to come back from dead storage outside of the Transit Museum anytime soon. -William A. Padron ["a.c.f."] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Apr 10 14:34:45 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 8 16:50:27 2016. From later research of mine, there were indeed a total of nine confirmed R-10's painted red, plus one unconfirmed through a photo of its interior sold on eBay...W.H. cars [confirmed]... #1822 (re.-#2969*), #1825 (re.-#2972), #3101*, #3137*. G.E. cars [confirmed] #1850 (re.-2997), #3099, #3234, #3334, #3342. W.H. cars [unconfirmed] #3219* G.E. cars [unconfirmed] None. Notes = (*) - Repainted as green and in service 1985-1989. To whit, four images of them from Dave's page... R-10 #3099, 207th Street Yard [1]; 11/11/1962. R-10 #3099, 207th Street Yard [2]; 11/11/1962. R-10 #1850 (re-#2997), 80th Street-Hudson Street, IND Fulton Street Line ["A"]; No Date Given R-10 #3342, 111th Street-Greenwood Avenue, IND Fulton Street Line ["A"]; No Date Given. The car interiors were painted in the official colors of the New York City flag: White ceiling, orange side walls, and dark blue doors. -William A. Padron ["K-1/2"] |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Apr 10 17:43:00 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 9 19:54:02 2016. I never recall seeing them in any solid trains and since there were only 9 and not a full 10, the Yd/Mast at 207 Yd probably didn’t even try. Although, the car in that photo shows the number plate with white numbers on a red background, several of the red R-10s retained their original number plates with the red on grey which made them difficult to read on a red car body. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Apr 10 17:56:21 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Apr 10 14:34:45 2016. Now that I see it, I seem to recall that 3219 was actually the first R-10 I saw in red even though it can’t be verified. 3243 in the other photo was also the first R-10 to receive seal beam headlights. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun Apr 10 22:55:05 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Apr 10 14:34:45 2016. Thanks for posting this info. |
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Posted by GIS Man on Mon Apr 11 08:56:44 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 8 07:24:34 2016. One of the better typos I've seen. In a similar vein, when I lived in Van Nuys 35 years ago, there was a two-sided sign on Sepulveda Blvd, which was supposed to say "PAINT and on the next line 50% OFF". Well, one position was out on both sides, so one side said PAIN 50% OFF and the other said AINT 50% OFF. What can I say? A good laugh.Bob |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Apr 12 10:18:47 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Express Rider on Sun Apr 10 22:55:05 2016. You're welcomed, Express Rider, and at anytime too!-William A. Padron ["R-10"] |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Apr 12 19:52:49 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Apr 10 14:34:45 2016. You could almost call them, Thunder Redbirds.:) |
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