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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 7 17:40:50 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 7 16:56:12 2016. The Astoria line is closer to the shore than the G is in many places. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 7 17:41:42 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by merrick1 on Sun Feb 7 17:06:47 2016. That was an act of war. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 7 17:41:43 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 7 17:40:50 2016. LRT is still a good way to get beyond Ditmars to LGA without the NIMBY's starting WW III. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 7 17:43:31 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 7 14:02:16 2016. Republican State takeover of Flint did not work out so good for their water supply. The governor should be in jail. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 7 17:59:32 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 7 17:37:27 2016. My claim isn't that it would never be useful. Just that there aren't enough useful itineraries to justify the cost. Most (but not all) itineraries related to the waterfront are well served by the 19 existing subway stations. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 7 18:00:20 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 7 17:40:50 2016. And how does that contradict anything I've said? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 7 19:00:28 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 7 17:59:32 2016. We don't know that because "itineraries" may someday include business and residences that do not now exist on the LRT route, and having the G train for 80 years isn't obviously going to make them exist. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 7 19:07:50 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 7 19:00:28 2016. Why build something for traffic that might exist in the distant future when there is so much unmet demand in the present?There are existing real people whose lives would be greatly improved by a Fordham Road or Avenue C light rail line. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 7 19:22:36 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 7 19:07:50 2016. Ahem ... :)
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 7 19:29:02 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 7 19:22:36 2016. There wasn't a good alternative. There are numerous good alternatives in this case. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Feb 7 20:10:50 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by merrick1 on Sun Feb 7 17:06:47 2016. How would that count for NYC local stats? That was an international war attack |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 7 20:17:08 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 7 19:29:02 2016. Agreed ... just wanted to point out that building out to where there's little demand now usually brings good results as well. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 7 20:46:30 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Feb 7 20:10:50 2016. The murders were committed inside NYC. They were handled by the NYC coroner.Obviously, they are an exceptional circumstance. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 7 20:48:24 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 7 20:17:08 2016. Yes. But Fordham Road or Ave C would produce a far greater return on investment for light rail, and an F extension for subway. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 7 21:19:49 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 7 20:48:24 2016. Not to mention getting a little action past Lefferts and southeast BK.Totally agreed on Fordham at least - the bus ride was always a horror show. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Feb 7 21:27:56 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 7 17:43:31 2016. only until he is executed along with his financial dictator |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 7 21:44:52 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 7 14:02:16 2016. Heh. Your kids did the same to them as they did for NYC that I was talking about. Federal funding went to the leech states out of the taxes paid by all those folks in those cities. Nice try. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 CHRIS on Sun Feb 7 22:30:31 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 7 20:46:30 2016. Please. That was an act of war, not an act of NYC violence |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Feb 7 22:37:57 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 7 14:10:50 2016. That's because they all had killed each other off already. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 7 23:00:08 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 7 17:41:43 2016. Well, that's not a bad idea at all. Along Astoria Blvd. would work. Or north of Ditmars and along 20th and 19th Avenues. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 7 23:00:53 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 7 18:00:20 2016. You said it's quite a walk to the Astoria line. In many places it's quite a walk to the G. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Feb 8 05:37:59 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Sat Feb 6 12:23:57 2016. I think it was more complicated than that. The fire department went after him because he allowed a bunch of people to have a party in there. If you've been in there, you'll know that there is only one way in or out, and it's a pretty narrow passage at that. That's a major fire hazard, especially because, unless something has changed, there isn't a whole lot of ventilation down there. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Feb 8 05:40:16 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 6 06:52:06 2016. From what I heard about him, it's pretty much over. He's lost nearly everything, including whatever career he had. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 8 09:42:20 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Feb 7 20:10:50 2016. Precisely. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 8 09:43:31 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by merrick1 on Sun Feb 7 17:06:47 2016. That was an act of war. You think that the people who sent those terrorists ought to be tried in NYC courtrooms (like the Obama Admin wants), or dealt with summarily on the field of battle? |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Feb 8 09:46:05 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by gp38/r42 CHRIS on Sun Feb 7 22:30:31 2016. What on earth are you complaining about? Those were murders committed in NYC.I am not saying that Giuliani should be noted in any way because the most murders ever committed in a year in NYC were committed when he was mayor. That would be stupid. But you can't deny that they were murders, and that they happened in NYC. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 8 09:50:35 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Mon Feb 8 09:46:05 2016. Under an act of war that took place against the country.Someone said that "somehow it's not counted in Guiliani's stats", well duh, it was an act of war, not based on crime in the city. THAT is what the conversation is about. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Feb 8 09:56:29 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 8 09:50:35 2016. THAT is what the conversation is about.Ah, OK, you eren't actually responding to my post. That's fine. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 8 10:05:27 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Mon Feb 8 09:56:29 2016. Sure I am. The fact that an act of war took place in NYC in that year, have nothing to do with the crime stats we were discussing under different mayors. The mayor had absolutely nothing to do with an attack on the USA |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Feb 8 10:06:25 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 8 10:05:27 2016. I agree 100%. Nothing I posted said anything else. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Feb 8 12:48:05 2016, in response to DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Wed Feb 3 18:33:18 2016. Excitement |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 8 17:24:45 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 7 20:48:24 2016. Little problem: nobody is advocating it. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 8 17:35:14 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 7 19:07:50 2016. Why ? Economic development.That's why the #7 now goes to 34th/11th Ave while the J train doesn't go to Hollis. A whole new city within a city is going up because of it. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 8 23:37:32 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 8 10:05:27 2016. "The mayor had absolutely nothing to do with an attack on the USA ."You're right. It was the President's fault. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Feb 8 23:38:53 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 8 23:37:32 2016. Yeah. The president of the raccoon lodge. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 8 23:43:17 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Feb 8 23:38:53 2016. Haha. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Feb 9 02:44:37 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by milantram on Sun Feb 7 12:50:20 2016. One need only look at Melbourne to see what a comprehensive streetcar system would look like today. They are the largest in the world, with much of the fleet still unairconditioned. Despite this, in 100+ degree weather, they were still quite crowded while the airconditioned buses one block away ran half empty. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 9 07:33:41 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 7 13:23:59 2016. All of whom are dead. The ideas of Robert Moses, Fiorello LaGuardia and the Board of Transportation are now ancient concepts. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Feb 9 08:51:43 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 9 07:33:41 2016. Some here wish to continue their legacy by claiming LRT is inferior in NYC and we should have SBS and instead pray for subway extensions into eastern Queens that will never happen. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Feb 9 11:25:49 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Feb 3 20:38:49 2016. Dont know,but todays buses are looking more and more like streamlined street cars..Trains on the street are no more alien than the buses that replaced them... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 9 11:32:18 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Feb 9 02:44:37 2016. The B2-class fleet and later is air-conditioned. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Feb 9 12:51:05 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Edwards! on Tue Feb 9 11:25:49 2016. They may look more and more like straamlined street cars, but are lipstick on a pig - they are junk just the same in 15 years. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Feb 9 17:00:10 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 9 11:32:18 2016. I seemed to end up on nothing but Zs and As unless I actively sought the other types. One of the times I ended up on an air conditioned B, the A/C kept dying on us, as it was struggling to keep up with the 100 degree weather... |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Tue Feb 9 18:21:52 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 4 20:00:19 2016. There is a single body two truck all-low floor tram made by Pragoimex that partially fits that bill. The prototype is undergoing testing in Prague now.The point of these new cars is to directly replace aging Tatra T3's which are the technological descendants of the 1948 US all-electric PCC. The new car obviously doesn't have much now 80 years young PCC tech left in it except its overall operating and performance envelope. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Feb 9 18:58:05 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Feb 9 02:44:37 2016. When the PCCs were still on the Newark City Subway, I rode them a couple of times in the summer, and they were pretty good despite the lack of air conditioning. |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Feb 9 19:29:12 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by jan k. lorenzen on Tue Feb 9 18:21:52 2016. You are referring to their Evo tram, right? If so why would anyone want to go through the expense of building a light rail line only to equip it with a vehicle that carries fewer passengers than a 35 foot bus?JMHO, but that should readily answer Olog's question, nobody is going to design a US LRT around a "modern" PCC vehicle as that layout is far too small to justify the expense if building an LRT or streetcar. Something that small may be worthwhile on secondary European tram lines, but make no sense here in the US where capacity is frequently a justification for building an LRT. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Feb 9 21:54:25 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Feb 3 20:38:49 2016. Dont know,but todays buses are looking more and more like streamlined street cars..Trains on the street are no more alien than the buses that replaced them... |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Feb 9 23:04:50 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Joe V on Tue Feb 9 12:51:05 2016. Indeed, not sure why they haven't been able to make a bus that lasts as long as the average streetcar (whether it be from this era or the PCC). |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 9 23:10:30 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Feb 9 23:04:50 2016. Vibration for one. Rubber tires and roads versus smooth rails? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Feb 9 23:16:21 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 9 23:10:30 2016. Exactly. Roads do a number on all motor vehicles. |
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