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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Feb 5 11:49:04 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Feb 5 11:43:25 2016. He means Dinkins, but he's right, Dinkins was much better, as were guiliani, Bloomberg and koch. He's surely the worst since linsey....crime going up. All the milestones guiliani and Bloomberg did, and started even with koch and Dinkins, down the toilet with this bafoon. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 5 11:49:14 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Tramrunner on Fri Feb 5 09:15:44 2016. I also believe that our current mayor is a railfanNo he isn't. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 5 11:49:49 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Feb 5 11:43:25 2016. Javid Jenkins. Nobody remembers him? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 5 11:51:31 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose Brooklyn-Queens streetcar line, posted by randyo on Thu Feb 4 18:01:13 2016. They won't issue 'em forever. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 5 11:52:08 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Feb 5 11:46:25 2016. Are "buffoons" typically malicious like he is? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Feb 5 11:54:24 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 5 11:49:49 2016. Chief dog catcher? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Feb 5 11:58:59 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Feb 5 11:49:04 2016. As if Joe Lhodha would have been any better who decimated NYCT operations. Now with ridership going up, he over scrapped cars, and we'll be lucky to have enough cars for Second Ave. thanks to no R179's. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 5 17:44:10 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by sloth on Thu Feb 4 20:15:54 2016. So to get to downtown Brooklyn and beyond, we schlep over to a ferry on the Brooklyn waterfront, probably on a bus, because nobody will hoof it from Marcy Avenue or wherever, take the ferry, take a connecting bus to some place the Lex, then get on the 4, 5, or 6, and if the 6, transfer back to the 4 or 5 to get to Brooklyn.As I said, Ridiculous, it's not a daily commute, it's an adventure to do on a sunny, warm Saturday, and it does nothing for real estate nor economic development along the trolley route. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 5 17:47:50 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Feb 4 21:03:39 2016. Look at the NJT River Line.in 2015 3d quarter, 9,500 daily loadings. Nobody who now takes it used to take the 409, which offers the same level of service now as it always did. Different area, lower density, but still and all, you don't test a LRT market by a damned bus. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 5 17:52:10 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Feb 5 02:56:48 2016. Your numbers say nothing about which way the subway goes and which way the trolley would go.The routes are perpendicular, few people ride bikes, ergo your numbers mean nothing useful, only for a Masters thesis. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 5 17:53:42 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Tramrunner on Fri Feb 5 09:15:44 2016. If he were a railfan, he'd be for the Rockaway Beach Branch, whether it be an LIRR or IND service, not an SBS, which is deliberately concocted to ensure the RBB never happens. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 5 19:17:34 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Feb 5 11:58:59 2016. They will invent a reason to delay opening of the SAS until such time as Bombardier re-learns how to spot weld. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Feb 5 20:22:29 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Feb 5 11:49:04 2016. This is hilarious. Every Democratic mayor is the worst ever, worse than Dinkins, who a few months ago was the devil incarnate. You righties are too much. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Feb 5 20:22:47 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Feb 5 11:49:04 2016. Who's "linsey"? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 5 20:32:13 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by italianstallion on Fri Feb 5 20:22:29 2016. Imagine what they'd have said about Bill O'Dwyer. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Feb 5 20:32:57 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by italianstallion on Fri Feb 5 20:22:29 2016. Koch was great. He's what the city needed in a hard time. Lindsay destroyed the city, as deblasio is attempting. Dinkins was fine, neither good or bad. And Bloomberg was a lifelong Democrat that switched to Republican to get in on the coat tails of guiliani. He was fine |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 5 21:24:48 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Feb 5 20:32:57 2016. LOL.Of the mayors you mention, the highest average murder rate was under Koch. the lowest has been under DeBlasio. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 5 22:10:06 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 5 17:53:42 2016. Good point.He'd be for direct subway service to the airports as well. |
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Posted by jersey mike on Fri Feb 5 22:31:48 2016, in response to DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Wed Feb 3 18:33:18 2016. Bob Diamond must be frothing at the mouth. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 5 22:38:59 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Feb 5 02:56:48 2016. And there are 19 subway stations that are roughly half a mile from the waterfront, that is, about the distance from Lexington Ave. to the East River. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Feb 5 22:56:22 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 5 21:24:48 2016. What's your point? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Feb 5 23:29:34 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Feb 5 20:32:57 2016. "Lindsay destroyed the city."Funny, last I checked, the city was still here. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Feb 5 23:30:08 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Feb 5 22:56:22 2016. The opposite of the other guy's point. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Feb 5 23:30:44 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by jersey mike on Fri Feb 5 22:31:48 2016. Bob Diamond was his own worst enemy. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 5 23:56:19 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by italianstallion on Fri Feb 5 23:29:34 2016. Best part of it is that John Vliet Lindsay ... was a real republican. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 5 23:57:04 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by italianstallion on Fri Feb 5 23:30:44 2016. Sad but true ... he could have been a real hero if only he'd parked his ego. :( |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Feb 6 00:23:12 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Feb 5 20:32:57 2016. statistically, i was one of the relative few people in bensonhurst who voted for dinkins. but i still couldn't (and can't) stand that sharpton moron. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 6 00:33:30 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 5 23:56:19 2016. Yes, he was, one of the last. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 6 00:40:13 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 6 00:33:30 2016. He was also the last Mayor that did shit for the Bronx before city hall went to Brooklyn and Queens. People got training, people got off their asses, streets got fixed, stuff got built, and shit got done between him and Mario Biaggi. Then came Beame and his successors and everything went to shit again, double time until Dinkins. :(I'll always have a soft place in my heart for Lindsay, he got shit done. Pissed off the powers that be to all ends, but he got shit done. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Feb 6 01:31:48 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 5 23:56:19 2016. No, a good Republican. Lindsay, Weicker, Percy, they were decent people. Most of the present GOP have no sense of the common good or of decency. And the Democrats aren't much better. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 6 01:51:11 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Feb 6 01:31:48 2016. Amen. You forgot Everett Dirkson, Paul Simon and quite a few others from around the country. And WE had Javits, Keating, hell ... even Rockefeller wasn't all THAT bad. :)Contrast and compare to the wastes of oxygen we have THESE days. :( |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 6 06:51:09 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 5 22:38:59 2016. Still a ridiculous idea to tell people traveling from one point on the Queens/Brooklyn waterfront area to another, to go to Manhattan and back. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 6 06:52:06 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by italianstallion on Fri Feb 5 23:30:44 2016. Will he learn a lesson ?Too bad his Cleveland PCC cars had to be collateral damage. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 6 06:53:33 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 6 00:40:13 2016. Wasn't Beame the Controller when Lindsay was Mayor ? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Feb 6 07:10:09 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 6 06:51:09 2016. Still a ridiculous idea to tell people traveling from one point on the Queens/Brooklyn waterfront area to another, to go to Manhattan and back.Whether public money should be used to create a direct public transit route should depend on how many people make that journey, how far that journey is and the existing alternatives. The BQX flunks all three criteria. The $2.5 billion should be used on projects for which people don't have an existing subway line within 1/2 mile of their residence, links to a point that better matches their journey to work and for which that journey is longer than 4 miles. There are plenty of areas and potential customers who meet these criteria. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 6 07:55:50 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 6 06:51:09 2016. How many people want to go from one point on the waterfront to another?There are millions of trips made each day that require more than one bus or train. There can't be direct service from every place to every place. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 6 09:32:59 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 6 07:55:50 2016. How many people ? That's what an analysis on economic impacts would do, not simply look at what the area is today and assume nothing can change.Extending the F train to Queens Village is not on the table. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 6 09:36:15 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Feb 6 07:10:09 2016. Since no subway line goes north-south within a half mile, except the G train at the endpoints, your criteria of any rapid transit within a half mile is completely irrelevant.Since no cost , benefit, or economic analysis has been done, you are in no position to say whether or not it flunks all criteria. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 6 09:43:44 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 6 09:32:59 2016. Extending the F train to Queens Village is not on the table.So maybe we have the wrong table. There is vast proof that extending the F would have demand - look at the packed buses that run from east Queens to 179th every day. There is ample proof that the demand for a shoreline trolley is relatively low. - Census figures as to how many people live there - Bus utilization of lines in the area - Utilization of the 19 subway stops that are within about 1/2 mile of the waterfront OK, there has not been a formal study. But that doesn't mean we don't have a decent idea of how the traffic numbers would come out. |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Sat Feb 6 11:37:35 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 6 06:53:33 2016. And he definitely pissed off Michael Quill during the transit strike. Karl |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Sat Feb 6 11:43:54 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 6 01:51:11 2016. Anyone remember Robert Wagner? I thought he was one of the best mayors NYC had. Karl |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Sat Feb 6 11:52:44 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 3 20:11:52 2016. That's a funny remark as I never hear people honking at the MAX trains or the Portland streetcar in Portland, as they are on the streets with traffic except in certain areas they do have dedicated ROW still traffic seems to move pretty good. Still OTOH honking still is rarely herd, I guess we're not all in a big hurry LOL. Karl |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 6 12:04:36 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 6 06:53:33 2016. Sure was, and when he first ran for Mayor, Lindsay kicked his butt. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 6 12:05:48 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Sat Feb 6 11:43:54 2016. Better consult with Olog on that. :) |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Sat Feb 6 12:23:57 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 5 23:57:04 2016. I don't think ANY parking on Bob's part would have changed the pea sized minds of the city at that time, they just plain didn't like him look what happened to his Atlantic tunnel fiasco closing the tours after how long ? with the Fire Dept .... seriously ..... suddenly claiming it was dangerous ( granted climbing down a ladder through a manhole wasn't all that safe ) conceived by city hall. Karl |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Feb 6 12:37:59 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by sloth on Thu Feb 4 18:09:39 2016. It's a question of what's more important:A stop in Manhattan every few stops, or direct access into downtown Brooklyn? The ferry has the benefit of bouncing over to Manhattan every few stops (killing 2 birds with 1 stone), but the light rail map shows it going into downtown Brooklyn. The ferry is cheaper upfront but more expensive in the long run. I love the ferry, but I'm just trying to be real. |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Sat Feb 6 12:50:12 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 6 01:51:11 2016. Paul Simon was a Democrat. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 6 12:52:05 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by X-Astorian on Sat Feb 6 12:50:12 2016. So was Art Garfunkel. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 6 12:52:56 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by X-Astorian on Sat Feb 6 12:50:12 2016. Ah ... so he was. He often co-sponsored with republicans, that's probably why I thought he was one. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Feb 6 13:36:39 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 6 01:51:11 2016. Paul Simon was the centrist Democrat backed by the hard right Republicans to get rid of Percy. Think Lieberman who was used to get rid of Weicker. Indeed in the Eisenhower era there was cooperation. But, the vitriol and obstructionism has accelerated since Watergate. With a vegetable acting as President,the crazies had a field day and the shift from Dixiecrat to GOP in the Confederate states solidified. None of those you mention could get through a primary inthe GOP today.Rail content. The inconsistency of the few Republicans supporting eityher Amtrak or local public transit/commuter trains (that's SOCIALISM, you know) is always entertaining. Remember when we had aan MTA mmgmt type on this board with a very authoritarian personality who professed contempt for libruls yet couldn't grok that his job only existed because he was employed in a socialist enterprise. |
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