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Posted by fdtutf on Wed Oct 28 10:17:43 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Oct 27 23:43:09 2015. That record would be responsible for the largest bus service improvement in Brooklyn. Eleven routes changed on the same day in 1978.Oy, are we harping on this again? And as I proved to you before at least half of my Sheepsheadbtes articles related to bus improvements and less than 25% even mentioned automobiles, but you insist on distorting the facts. I see you're still struggling with the difference between assertion and proof. And when I say fairness for everyone, I do indeed mean everyone. Your definition of everyone is bus riders, cyclists and pedestrians? Why do you not consider the needs of automobile drivers? I will tell you. Instead, I will tell you: It's because our current transportation system is already heavily tilted in favor of motorists. When changes are considered, motorists should be at the back of the line for that reason. It is because of our anti-automobile bias where you believe no one should drive and we need to make driving as inconvenient as possible to discourage auto use and promote mass transit even if we make no mass transit improvements. I woudn't call that being fair to everyone, but you would. No, I believe we should be making substantial improvements for pedestrians, cyclists, and transit users, and essentially none for motorists, who are already coddled to a ridiculous degree. And as for that last sentence, it is a run on, but is perfectly understandable. You just can't accept any viewpoints that don't agree with yours. Um, please look up the definition of the word kudos. I wasn't being sarcastic, either. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 28 12:21:09 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Oct 28 07:32:28 2015. That's because people are always more likely to comment or protest when they disagree with something and tend to just shrug their shoulders when they agree. That is human nature.Just last night I was speaking to someone who always read my column on Sheepshead bites and told me it was the only reason he visited that site. He never disagreed with anything I wrote and I think only made two comments in the five years I was writing. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 28 13:45:21 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by fdtutf on Wed Oct 28 10:17:43 2015. We are harping on that again (the Southwest Brooklyn changes I made) because you accused me of being a car lover who is anti-transit which is just untrue. You asked a question saying I couldn't be a mass transit advocate based on my Sheepsheadbites posts. You just don't like the answer you received because you can't refute it.I counted up the pro-mass transit articles I wrote and the pro-car articles I wrote and showed you the numbers. I am doing that work again for you. If you disagree, then you count the articles. Your philosophy which the City unfortunately shares that we do everything possible to inconvenience motorists and increase their trip times and coddle to cyclists and pedestrians, while we do nothing to improve mass transit like reactivating the Rockaway Beach Line, is like Affirmative Action. When does it turn from being something positive to something that makes no sense anymore and becomes discriminatory? Examples: The Miss Black America Contest was created because Blacks were discriminated against being candidates in the Miss America contest. Now they can enter and even win it. Yet there is still a Miss Black America Contest? Why? We needed affirmative action quotas because Blacks couldn't get ahead. Now they can become President of the United States and women can become CEOS of the largest companies. Do we still need race and gender quotas? Why should some who's less qualified be given a job simply because of their race or gender? It isn't right. Back to transit. We only pretend to be doing things to improve transit. We extend the Number 7 to help developers, not commuters. The M34 is quicker than the new subway extension. We will be building a train to LaGuardia also to help developers. The trip for airport commuters will not be any quicker. What are we really doing for transit? Doubling the number of trains on the Times Square Shuttle for two hours a day and we have to wait nine months for that. Big deal. SBS has not proven to be as effective as the MTA and DOT are claiming it is yet we still ask everyone to use mass transit while we don't provide the capacity to accommodate them. We tell them not to drive and make it more difficult for them to drive. We need to make all forms of transportation easier. We need more bike lanes. we need more subways and better bus routes that connect more easily minimizing transfers. Yet we institute new bus routes that terminate a block or two from a major bus terminal. we build a new subway line to the Javits Center but don't even provide a connection to it but leave a two block walk. We need less crowded subways at 11 PM but don't provide the trains. We won't buy open gangway trains to lessen the crowding by allowing walking between cars. We need to reduce traffic bottlenecks, not increase them. But frequently these goals are in conflict like bus lanes and bike lanes vs car lanes. You say that in the past we favored automobiles so now we must ignore the wants and needs of drivers. So my question to you is when is enough enough? When do we stop turning lanes for cars and trucks into bus and bicycle lanes? When every street with a bus route as a bus lane even if the bus operates every 20 minutes and every street has a designated bike lane so that cars can't travel more than 5 mph? If we want to encourage mass transit, we need to really improve it, not make only token gestures. As long as cars are still necessary because not everyone is willing to spend two hours to make mass transit trips that could be made by cars in 30 minutes. We need to remove bottlenecks not increase them causing car trips to take two hours unnecessarily and causing untold harm to society. That road rage incident the other day on Queens Boulevard occurred where a new bottleneck merger was created due to a traffic lane being converted to a bicycle lane. The plain fact is cars are a necessity for some and that isn't changing tomorrow. We just cannot ignore that fact as you and NYCDOT is now doing. You can't just tell those people to use mass transit and at the same time just make token gestures to improve it. We have to be fair to everyone today, not to only one segment of society and that goes for Affirmative Action and job quotas as well as for mass transit users, bus riders and cyclists. We can't place the needs of one group over another regardless of what did or did not happen in the past. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Oct 28 14:15:48 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 28 13:45:21 2015. Back to transit. We only pretend to be doing things to improve transit. We extend the Number 7 to help developers, not commuters. The M34 is quicker than the new subway extension. We will be building a train to LaGuardia also to help developers. The trip for airport commuters will not be any quicker.The reason it helps developers is that it helps commuters/travelers to at least some degree. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Oct 28 14:19:53 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 28 12:21:09 2015. That's because people are always more likely to comment or protest when they disagree with something and tend to just shrug their shoulders when they agree. That is human nature.Then why are there so many "IAWTP" and "IAWTLP" posts on this forum? Just last night I was speaking to someone who always read my column on Sheepshead bites and told me it was the only reason he visited that site. He never disagreed with anything I wrote and I think only made two comments in the five years I was writing.I would argue that he must not be very intelligent and/or is quite ignorant or misinformed and/or is VERY biased. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Wed Oct 28 14:55:02 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 28 13:45:21 2015. Your philosophy which the City unfortunately shares that we do everything possible to inconvenience motorists and increase their trip times and coddle to cyclists and pedestrians, while we do nothing to improve mass transit like reactivating the Rockaway Beach Line, is like Affirmative Action. When does it turn from being something positive to something that makes no sense anymore and becomes discriminatory?When we've gone just past the point where we should be, which is where all modes are treated equally. We're really, really far from reaching that point, just for your information. |
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Posted by gOld_12th on Wed Oct 28 21:57:51 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 27 19:24:08 2015. mail bitch |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Oct 28 22:28:46 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by gOld_12th on Wed Oct 28 21:57:51 2015. Male bitch? |
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Posted by b1bus on Wed Oct 28 23:18:40 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by gOld_12th on Wed Oct 28 21:57:51 2015. We all thought you left the site. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 29 01:44:08 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by b1bus on Wed Oct 28 23:18:40 2015. Not all of us. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 29 10:13:42 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Oct 28 14:19:53 2015. Beause most of the IAWTP posts are coming from you.He is quite intelligent. He happens to be a medical doctor. I would value his opinion more than someone who once worked in a mailroom as his highest paying job. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 29 10:22:42 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Oct 28 14:15:48 2015. True, but not as much as it should. What should be buit is not built, because the priority as I stated is to help the developers, not the commuters.Look at what happened to Water Street. When I was a kid it was lined by four story buildings, not any skyscrapers. Then the Second Avenue Subway was announced. Within ten years property values boomed and it became lined with skyscrapers. The developers made out like bandits and the Lex became even more overcrowded. On which other line does the PM rush begin at 3PM? Only on the Lex. Now it looks like the lower Second Avenue subway will not be built for another fifty years and no one cares because the developers already made their money and you have people like Doctoroff saying it isn't even necessary because it won't spur additional development which is the only reason why subway lines are proposed now, not to help commuters. That is just a side effect. Why add an expensive new connection to LaGuardia airport that won't save anyone any time, if not just to help developers? |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Oct 29 13:49:41 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 29 10:13:42 2015. Beause most of the IAWTP posts are coming from you.Proff? Because I'm sure you're wrong. So please answer the question with a serious response this time. He is quite intelligent. He happens to be a medical doctor.Just because you're intelligent doesn't mean you know where the elevator is at the Atlantic Av station or whether prohibiting left turns adds 10 minutes to a trip. As I wrote, this person could still be quite ignorant or misinformed and/or VERY biased. I would value his opinion more than someone who once worked in a mailroom as his highest paying job.First of all, who "once worked in a mailroom as his highest paying job"? Second of all, you'd trust an intelligent doctor's opinion on some matter he knows nothing about and has no experience with vs. someone who works in a mailroom but has an incredible knowledge of the matter being discussed and personally has experienced the issue first hand on many occasions? Seriously????? Third of all, just because he never disagreed with anything you wrote doesn't mean that he was qualified to accurately render an informed opinion on any or all matters!!!!!!!! You have absolutely no clue as to what you are talking about. LOL! |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Oct 29 13:51:41 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 29 10:22:42 2015. TrueThank you. Why add an expensive new connection to LaGuardia airport that won't save anyone any time, if not just to help developers?Becssue saving time isn't the sole valid reason for building such a project. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 29 14:43:24 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Oct 29 13:49:41 2015. I just saw another be of your IAWTPs this morning. You make several a day. Most others add something to the conversation.You are entitled to your opinions of course. All I can say is that when I talk to people in person and not on the Internet, virtually every single person tells me how much they enjoyed the column and how insightful they have been. I guess it's much easier to insult people and call them names when it is not done face to face. On the Internet, tere are about ten people who vehemently have objected to my posts. Many just ask questions or clarifications. There were thousands of people reading the column. I don't consider ten a big number. Yet you are attempting to make it appear that hundreds or perhaps thousands have disagreed with me. How many posters can you actually name? You may know some things, but you are a little delusionary about how extensive your knowledge really is. You just like to argue and disagree with little substance behind what you actually say. On the other hand, I know what my limitations are, and if I don't know something, I don't express an opinion about it. I was once mistaken about an elevator at Atlantic Avenue. Everyone makes mistakes, but you have brought that up at least 25 times. Get over it already. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 29 14:46:52 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Oct 29 13:51:41 2015. Saving time and/or increasing capacity should be the primary reason for any new mass transit project. It makes little sense to spend a half billion dollars or whatever it will cost if no one saves any time. I am unaware of any rail line that currently serves the airport that is so overcrowded that they need an additional line and one requiring a transfer for that matter. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 29 20:09:21 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by fdtutf on Wed Oct 28 14:55:02 2015. Regardless of what happened in the past, it makes no sense to make a change to benefit a few hundred a day while harming several thousand a day. That is what happens when you take away a lane on an already congested street that has no alternative parallel routes to put in a bicycle lane. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Oct 29 20:20:07 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 29 20:09:21 2015. One can often add bike lanes by narrowing the other travel lanes and not actually removing a car lane.Your urban planning ideas are relevant for the Jurassic Era. Welcome to 2015. Things have changed for the better. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Thu Oct 29 22:15:39 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 29 20:09:21 2015. Why are you referring to "what happened in the past"? That has nothing to do with what I posted.This is the sort of thing that makes me (and possibly not just me) wonder whether you really can keep up with this kind of discussion. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 29 23:17:51 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 29 14:43:24 2015. I just saw another be of your IAWTPs this morning. You make several a day. Most others add something to the conversation.Wrong again. I already told you that you are wrong. You've failed to come up with a serious answer to my question. All I can say is that when I talk to people in person and not on the Internet, virtually every single person tells me how much they enjoyed the column and how insightful they have been.Of course they have found it insightful, because they have no advanced knowledge of the subject matter. You're a former MTA employee so who are they to say you're wrong. Fortunately, on a railfan forum, and among people who use the internet and GOOGLE, there are plenty of people with enough knowledge of the matters you write about to shoot down all the BS you post. I guess it's much easier to insult people and call them names when it is not done face to face.Wrong. It's much easier to meticulously point out how wrong you are, and then when you deny it or ignore it, then you deserve all the names and insults that come your way as a result. On the Internet, tere are about ten people who vehemently have objected to my posts. Many just ask questions or clarifications. There were thousands of people reading the column. I don't consider ten a big number. Yet you are attempting to make it appear that hundreds or perhaps thousands have disagreed with me. How many posters can you actually name?You must be completely deluded. Almost all the posts on here and on the Sheepbiting blog were from many different people who vehemently disagreed with you for very valid reasons. You may know some thingsO rly? but you are a little delusionary about how extensive your knowledge really is.How so? What have I ever been consistently wrong about? What topics do I post often about that many people constantly tell me I am factually wrong about? On the other hand, I know what my limitations are, and if I don't know something, I don't express an opinion about it.LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You've twice now stated that it takes like 7 or 8 minutes to get out of the Hudson Yards station!!! You're completely wrong about that, you have no idea what your limitations are on estimating time duration, and you have no idea how incredibly that shatters any remaining credibility you may have had as a transportation planner!!!! I was once mistaken about an elevator at Atlantic Avenue. Everyone makes mistakes, but you have brought that up at least 25 times. Get overit already.LOL! You weren't just "mistaken". You denied it existed. You made the claim. A claim that could be easily verified as false before even making it, thus saving you any embarrassment. But you failed at that and went ahead and made the claim. You were then told by several different people that you were wrong. YOU CONTINUED TO MAINTAIN YOUR POSITION AND WOULD NOT LISTEN TO REASON. That is not a mistake. That is sheer stupidity/stubbornness. You continue to refuse to listen to people who have proven themselves time and time again to be knowledgeable on the topics on which they criticize you. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 29 23:22:26 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 29 14:46:52 2015. Saving time and/or increasing capacity should be the primary reason for any new mass transit project.See, now you're changing you're story. You only said "saving time" last time. Now you've added "increasing capacity". It makes little sense to spend a half billion dollars or whatever it will cost if no one saves any time.Again, not true, as saving time is not the only valid reason. I am unaware of any rail line that currently serves the airport that is so overcrowded that they need an additional line and one requiring a transfer for that matter.What in the world are you talking about? Are you talking about adding capacity? Because that's what the rail link may do. Add capacity over the existing options. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 29 23:46:30 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Oct 29 20:20:07 2015. Yep. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 29 23:46:43 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by fdtutf on Thu Oct 29 22:15:39 2015. Agreed. |
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Posted by priya12 on Fri Oct 30 04:00:10 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 29 23:22:26 2015. *your |
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Posted by priya12 on Fri Oct 30 04:00:17 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 29 23:22:26 2015. *your |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 2 18:19:03 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 29 23:22:26 2015. Show me where we need to add capacity to get people to LGA. If the M60 is overcrowded and it is, you add some buses. You can also start additional bus outs from elsewhere to save people time at a much lower cost than building a new rail line that saves no time. The route chosen by Cuomo makes no sense. It may help a few Long Islanders and no one else. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 2 18:20:48 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Oct 29 20:20:07 2015. If narrowing the other lanes is feasible, I have no problem with adding a bike lane. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 2 18:25:29 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by fdtutf on Thu Oct 29 22:15:39 2015. What are you talking about that you are not talking about what happened in the past? Isn't your position that in the past planning has been based toward automobiles so now to make up for that we have to only consider the needs of bus riders, cyclsts and pedestrians and the needs of drivers no longer need to be considered until the pendulum turns further?Am I misunderstanding you? If so please clarify and explain why the needs of automobile drivers should be ignored. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 2 18:44:53 2015, in response to Re: Allan Rosen and the 34th Street (Herald Square) elevator, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 29 23:17:51 2015. I am not going to bother answering your ridiculous comments except to say the following regarding how long it takes to get out of the Hudson Yards Station.I previously stated 7 or 8 minutes and several said that was ridiculous and someone said it can be done in two minutes. Upon questioning he admitted he walked up the escalator. That is not how you calculate how long it takes. So today I returned to the station and timed myself. I arrived at 1:30 PM. I took the elevator up which was waiting for me. I arrived at the long escalator at 1:32. The escalate took about 90 seconds. I arrived on the street in about 4:45. Also, consider, last time I waited 2 minutes for the elevator so it took longer like 6:45 and I had to walk further to the elevator so it took 7 to 8 minutes which was I previously stated, so I was perfectly correct. Now if someone happens to be in the last car, you can add another minute. If you use the inclinators, you can add additional time. I heard they are very slow. Of course if you don't want to wait for the platform elevator and you don't mind walking up the two flights and you are in the correct car to minimize the amount of walking, you can reduce the 4:45 to 4 minutes and if you walk up the escalator, you can do it in 3. If you walk fast up the four or five flights of escalator steps, I suppose you can do it in under three minutes. But my 7 to 8 minutes was perfectly correct as I described what I did. Bottom line: you can do it between 2 minutes and a fraction and about 10 minutes with the inclinators. |
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