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ON TOPIC: Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Oct 23 15:11:23 2014 Painting and wiring light rail cars under a huge contract with the Los Angeles Metropolitan Transportation Authority |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 23 15:17:59 2014, in response to ON TOPIC: Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Dave on Thu Oct 23 15:11:23 2014. California has a "build in California" rule. Looks like Kinki is about the lose the contract. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 23 15:31:43 2014, in response to ON TOPIC: Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Dave on Thu Oct 23 15:11:23 2014. Why is it that unions always bite the hand that feeds them when they get too powerful? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Oct 23 15:31:47 2014, in response to Re: ON TOPIC: Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 23 15:17:59 2014. I think not. The specific issue is the construction of a new factory building. If Kinki elects to build in another county the issue may be moot. Those interested in a bit more details should see the LA Times website. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 23 15:34:36 2014, in response to Re: ON TOPIC: Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Oct 23 15:31:47 2014. They did say in the posted article, "moving out of state." But I'll gladly settle for real information from California instead of the FOX News version of reality. :) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Oct 23 15:42:05 2014, in response to Re: ON TOPIC: Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 23 15:31:43 2014. greed/fear of future deprivation are some of the deepest human behavior drivers. Union or management, the only difference is the names of the idiots. And, one might remember that the 8hr day/40 hr week, paid sick leave, paid vacation are all courtesy of union activity. So, sadly, are also "firemen" on diesel engines, "full crew laws" mandating overstaffing of freight trains in years past, the "second car driver" on the MBTA Green lines and other such abuses.And, as a reminder, when GM partnered w/Toyota in the Fremont assembly plant in CA, UAW represented workers produced Toyotas and various GM relabels at the same or better efficiency/quality levels as any other Toyota plant in the US. Best of all, the plant continued to generate carloadings for the serving RR. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Oct 23 15:47:47 2014, in response to Re: ON TOPIC: Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 23 15:34:36 2014. CA, just as NY has the build it here mandate--why Kawasaki is in Tarrytown, M-K (RIP) leased a factory space in P'burg (no h) CA, and Breda was dangling the "we'll build a local plant" agit prop trying to get another order from LAMTA. Happily, they were smart enough to choose a better builder. Anyone remember how long it took Breda to make their stuff work on the T while the Kinkis there soldiered on? |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Oct 23 15:49:50 2014, in response to Re: ON TOPIC: Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 23 15:31:43 2014. Good question. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Oct 23 15:50:03 2014, in response to Re: ON TOPIC: Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Oct 23 15:42:05 2014. And a great answer. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Oct 23 15:59:29 2014, in response to Re: ON TOPIC: Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 23 15:34:36 2014. You mean the same story reported by ABC7 Los Angeles?http://abc7.com/business/union-pressures-may-have-cost-palmdale-hundreds-of-jobs/359818/ Or the same story reported in the LA Times? http://www.latimes.com/local/countygovernment/la-me-rail-car-factory-20141021-story.html Your hatred for Fox News is so predictable. You must be very popular at local poker games because you're so easy to read. |
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Posted by The Silence on Thu Oct 23 16:08:14 2014, in response to Re: ON TOPIC: Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Oct 23 15:47:47 2014. Kawasaki is in Yonkers. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Oct 23 16:11:53 2014, in response to Re: ON TOPIC: Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Dave on Thu Oct 23 15:59:29 2014. So, yes, they ARE building the current order in leased space, and, yes, they are threatening to go elsewhere for the "permanent plant". But, as w/NY, PA, MA, who all insist on in state assembly, if Kinki goes outside CA they will still have to do a certain $$ % of any future contract in state, and likely within the service area of the purchasing transit authority. M-K got the BART C-2 contract by leasing a final assembly plant in Contra Costa County. LAMTA will be a customer for subway cars for both the Purple extension and at some point replacing current Red/Purple stock. "Market driven behavior"? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Oct 23 16:12:19 2014, in response to Re: ON TOPIC: Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by The Silence on Thu Oct 23 16:08:14 2014. Sorry, its all upstate. |
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Posted by The Silence on Thu Oct 23 16:15:44 2014, in response to Re: ON TOPIC: Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Oct 23 16:11:53 2014. Kinki's plan had more of the assembly work done in CA, this would just make them operated like Kawasaki (shells in Lincoln, finished cars in Yonkers) |
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Re: Japan Firm Claims : Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Oct 23 17:07:56 2014, in response to Re: ON TOPIC: Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Dave on Thu Oct 23 15:59:29 2014. So I read the LA Times piece.The key is in the headline: Union demands driving railcar jobs out of California, Japanese firm says. "Japanese Firm Says." That's their take on it, as you would expect. It seems there were severe environmental issues with the project, which the union highlighted. So whose fault is it? |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Oct 23 17:51:13 2014, in response to Re: Japan Firm Claims : Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by italianstallion on Thu Oct 23 17:07:56 2014. Since when it is the union's job to highlight environmental issues (if they're even valid)? That's the state and federal EPA's job. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Oct 23 18:29:00 2014, in response to Re: Japan Firm Claims : Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Dave on Thu Oct 23 17:51:13 2014. No, that's any citizen's job. And the union would be rightfully concerned about environmental issues affecting the workers. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Oct 23 18:37:15 2014, in response to Re: Japan Firm Claims : Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by italianstallion on Thu Oct 23 18:29:00 2014. If the plant is signed off by the EPA, where does the union have the job of coming in to say otherwise? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Oct 23 19:47:28 2014, in response to Re: ON TOPIC: Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 23 15:34:36 2014. re: the lambasting of fox news: Think about it. Considering the plenitude of "news" sources available in this age of internets...there is really not that great a difference between any provider. Seems slightly elitist to put down fox. And there is surely a smaller difference between, say, fox news and cnn (if they are one of the better ones in your estimation) than there is between the New York Times and the New York Post. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Oct 23 19:54:18 2014, in response to Re: ON TOPIC: Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by ntrainride on Thu Oct 23 19:47:28 2014. Think about it. Considering the plenitude of "news" sources available in this age of internets...there is really not that great a difference between any provider.On the contrary— there's a wide range of different outlets. Fox offers nothing but extremist propaganda; CNN strives for "balance" between truth and lies, MSNBC offers occasional news with right-wing propaganda mixed in, while some sites (like Crooks & Liars, Firedoglake, maybe Raw Story) offer actual news with no bias at all. I've posted this before... Here's a quick guide to the media in the US. A bunch of senators get together for a Capitol Hill baseball game, with teams divided by party lines (ie, the Democrats play ball against the Republicans). The Democrats win the game 20-0. After the game: The conservative Fox News will report that the Republicans won 20-0. The centrist CNN will report that the game was tied 10-10. The liberal MSNBC will report that the Democrats won 20-19. Seems slightly elitist to put down fox. "Elitist?" |
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Posted by merrick1 on Thu Oct 23 20:11:04 2014, in response to ON TOPIC: Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Dave on Thu Oct 23 15:11:23 2014. Is there really an "International Brotherhood Workers Union" |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Oct 23 21:20:56 2014, in response to Re: ON TOPIC: Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by merrick1 on Thu Oct 23 20:11:04 2014. There's an International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW) union. |
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Posted by Merrick1 on Thu Oct 23 21:49:37 2014, in response to Re: ON TOPIC: Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Dave on Thu Oct 23 21:20:56 2014. I guess it's a typo. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Oct 23 22:01:36 2014, in response to Re: ON TOPIC: Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Merrick1 on Thu Oct 23 21:49:37 2014. Probably. Or ignorance on the part of the reporter and incompetence on the part of his editor, or both. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Oct 24 02:46:32 2014, in response to Re: Japan Firm Claims : Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Dave on Thu Oct 23 18:37:15 2014. Well then. Let's take this theory and put the pedal to the medal and drive it right into a fine Texas guard rail then. If the President has signed an executive order, then where do citizens come off criticizing the President? Or is free speech only for "NON-libruls?" |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Oct 24 03:06:48 2014, in response to Re: Japan Firm Claims : Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Dave on Thu Oct 23 18:37:15 2014. First, of course, is the Constitutional Right of ALL citizens to petition the government for redress of grievances.Second, if EPA had ruled against the planned factory, we KNOW there would have been loud shrieking from the pro-business/who cares about the environment crowd. So. what is good for the goose is good for the gander, eh? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Oct 24 03:33:02 2014, in response to Re: Japan Firm Claims : Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Oct 24 03:06:48 2014. Apparently not. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Oct 24 04:48:57 2014, in response to Re: Japan Firm Claims : Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by italianstallion on Thu Oct 23 17:07:56 2014. The union. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Oct 24 07:30:01 2014, in response to Re: ON TOPIC: Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by ntrainride on Thu Oct 23 19:47:28 2014. Your mama |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Oct 24 07:40:22 2014, in response to Re: Japan Firm Claims : Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Oct 24 03:06:48 2014. The union didn't file a lawsuit against the city council to stop issuing the permit, proving their environmental issue charge is just a ruse.California follows a protocol of analysis and public disclosure of environmental impacts of proposed projects and adopts all feasible measures to mitigate those impacts. The California Environmental Quality Act makes environmental protection a mandatory part of every California state and local agency's decision making process. Palmdale was relying on an environmental report done years earlier for an office park. It would have been easy for the union to file a lawsuit alleging that this report was inadequate given the difference between an office park and the proposed use, but they didn't. Why not? Because the IBEW had been trying to strongarm Kinki into agreeing to a card check agreement regarding the unionizing of the workforce. It could care less about the environmental issues. |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Oct 24 07:40:59 2014, in response to Re: Japan Firm Claims : Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Oct 24 02:46:32 2014. As usual you have no idea what you're talking about on this issue. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Oct 24 07:52:04 2014, in response to Re: Japan Firm Claims : Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by italianstallion on Thu Oct 23 17:07:56 2014. The Union is full of sour grapes because the jobs are not union, they cannot claim that, so they claim that it is environmental.Smoking a cigarette is an environmental issue, but they do not bitch about that. We will be happy to host the Japanese firm here in North Dakota, which is a right to work state. But of course we do not have enough workers for the jobs we need to fill. We are at full employment and are importing workers from where ever we can get them. Walmart starts at $15/hr with full benefits. Skrue the onions, they are past their prime and quite rotted. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Oct 24 07:56:14 2014, in response to Re: Japan Firm Claims : Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Oct 24 02:46:32 2014. Dictator Obama has no such rights to the execuitive orders that he has issued and the spineless pollyana repuklicans refuse to stand up to the bitch.He is by far and away the worst excuse of a man to occupy the White House. Impeachment is not an option, the ballot box is the only solution. RAOR |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Oct 24 10:07:25 2014, in response to Re: Japan Firm Claims : Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Oct 24 07:56:14 2014. I get the feeling your effort to vote him out of office in the next election may see results.Kucinich '16! |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Oct 24 10:08:54 2014, in response to Re: Japan Firm Claims : Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Oct 24 07:52:04 2014. But of course we do not have enough workers for the jobs we need to fill.Mostly because nobody wants to live there. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Oct 24 11:18:41 2014, in response to Re: Japan Firm Claims : Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Dave on Thu Oct 23 18:37:15 2014. So now you like the EPA? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Oct 24 11:20:06 2014, in response to Re: Japan Firm Claims : Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Dave on Fri Oct 24 07:40:22 2014. "Palmdale was relying on an environmental report done years earlier for an office park. "Glad to see you agree the environmental review was inadequate. |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Oct 24 11:22:14 2014, in response to Re: Japan Firm Claims : Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by italianstallion on Fri Oct 24 11:20:06 2014. I'm assuming that's the case. An office park and a light rail manufacturing plant are world's apart! |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Oct 24 11:23:14 2014, in response to Re: Japan Firm Claims : Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by italianstallion on Fri Oct 24 11:18:41 2014. When did I say I didn't? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Oct 24 12:05:27 2014, in response to Re: ON TOPIC: Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Oct 23 16:12:19 2014. Are we going to go through what upstate means again? :-) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 24 12:39:48 2014, in response to Re: Japan Firm Claims : Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by italianstallion on Thu Oct 23 17:07:56 2014. No, that's not the key phrase. Are you so far left as to not recognize what a disaster California is?? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 24 13:04:36 2014, in response to Re: Japan Firm Claims : Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Oct 24 07:56:14 2014. The left still raising the "impeachment" specter? That's something the GOP establishment will never, ever do. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Oct 24 13:15:02 2014, in response to Re: Japan Firm Claims : Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by italianstallion on Fri Oct 24 11:20:06 2014. Apparently Dave has no concept as to how union negotiations work. Once that site proposal was stopped, that would have been the end of it for both sides. Well ... I'm out of this thread too. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Oct 24 13:42:20 2014, in response to Re: ON TOPIC: Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 23 15:31:43 2014. It can cut both ways. |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Oct 24 13:46:15 2014, in response to Re: Japan Firm Claims : Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Oct 24 13:15:02 2014. LOL! Dewd, I'm a former Machinist and my wife was both a staff attorney and later a supervisory attorney at the NLRB. I've forgotten more about union negotiations than you'll ever know! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Oct 24 14:35:37 2014, in response to Re: Japan Firm Claims : Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Dave on Fri Oct 24 13:46:15 2014. Wow ... physician, jet pilot, union leader, financial analyst. Not many have as varied a career path over their lives as I do. Congrats! |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Oct 24 15:50:01 2014, in response to Re: Japan Firm Claims : Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Oct 24 14:35:37 2014. Never said I was a physician but my brother is a surgeon so maybe that confused you. And yup, while in college I worked for a while assisting an IAM business agent so I've been involved in several labor-management meetings. I've also done tax analysis of union proposals for management, so I've read quite a few union proposals/management responses before.What a long, strange trip it's been....*VBG* |
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Posted by ntrainride on Fri Oct 24 16:58:53 2014, in response to Re: ON TOPIC: Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Oct 24 07:30:01 2014. i will explain this ONCE to you, since the notion of extrapolating logic from context seems to be beyond your ken (based on your previous post).1. if you respond to a comment i post on this board agreeing, refuting or enhancing the comment, i will either agree with,refute or enhance your response. 2. if you make an irrelevant derogatory comment toward me i will respond with the two-worded epithet i have been using. your usage of it just now shows you didn't properly understand my usage of it, hence this lesson. in addition, i will not engage in endless looping of the epithet. once is enough, r.e: my response to the offending comment. continuing to use it beyond the initial response is simply unjustifiable semantics. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Oct 24 20:44:34 2014, in response to Re: Japan Firm Claims : Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by Dave on Fri Oct 24 15:50:01 2014. You just KNOW I had to play that ticket. :) |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Oct 24 23:37:13 2014, in response to Re: Japan Firm Claims : Union demands send Japanese firm, jobs packing from California town, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Oct 24 20:44:34 2014. Oh, and not a jet pilot. Turboprop, not jet. |
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