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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Dec 1 08:56:20 2013 Shot from my TV, CBS 2 NEWS.......CBS TV, Jannelle Burrell shot these and videoed this scene, taken from the Henry Hudson Parkway..... Cab Car #6222 literally almost ended up in the Harlem River!!! :-(    Wide shot, as the wreck encompasses DV Junction, the old DV Tower at the upper right, Spuyten Duyvil Station on the lower right, and across the top is Amtrak's Empire Line  Of course, more is indeed to come from this story!! My prayers and heart goes out to the passengers and coworkers who were aboard this train, may all be okay and no one be seriously injured!! :-( |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 1 08:59:57 2013, in response to PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Dec 1 08:56:20 2013. Holy sheet! |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Dec 1 09:08:52 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 1 08:59:57 2013. My thoughts exactly!! |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Dec 1 09:13:57 2013, in response to PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Dec 1 08:56:20 2013. My goodness, this has to be the worst crash since when the Sunset Limited derailed/crash on that broken Draw Bridge in Louisiana about 20 years ago. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Dec 1 09:28:45 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Dec 1 09:13:57 2013. Unconfirmed......4 dead, 48 injured |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Dec 1 09:37:59 2013, in response to PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Dec 1 08:56:20 2013. Crazy! Usually the speed there is relatively slow, too. I hope confusion and a few bumps and bruises is the worst of it.If I were on the train I guess I'd have been about as ok as the engineer - I usually sit on the left side at the back of the first window of the first car, when on POU-GCT trains. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sun Dec 1 09:38:43 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Dec 1 09:28:45 2013. wow |
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Posted by nostalgia on Sun Dec 1 10:27:44 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Dec 1 09:37:59 2013. Deaths have already been confirmed. I wonder is this will shut down Amtrak's Empire service. |
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Posted by nostalgia on Sun Dec 1 10:30:10 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by nostalgia on Sun Dec 1 10:27:44 2013. Here's the answer:Amtrak Empire Service Disrupted Between New York City and Albany Due to Metro-North Derailment in Spuyten Duyvil New York December 1, 2013 9:00 AM ET Amtrak Empire Line Service is currently being held between New York City and Albany due to an early morning derailment of a Metro-North commuter train in Spuyten Duyvil, New York in the Bronx. The incident occurred on property owned and maintained by Metro-North Railroad. No estimate for restoration of Empire Line service is available from Metro-North at this time. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 1 10:31:09 2013, in response to PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Dec 1 08:56:20 2013. Interestingly the tracks look OK. Looks like a clean jump, probably due to speed. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 1 10:32:19 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by nostalgia on Sun Dec 1 10:27:44 2013. It has. No doubt the switch to the West Side line will have to be inspected as a potential factor.BTW, who maintains that switch, MNCR or Amtrak? |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 1 10:34:16 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 1 10:31:09 2013. The exact piece of track where the front car left the tracks isn't really visible. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 1 10:34:22 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 1 10:31:09 2013. Check again, there's a large section of ripped track in the area. I would expect service to be completely out for the next week or so. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 1 10:37:33 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 1 10:32:19 2013. The switch is quite a bit north of that spot. |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Sun Dec 1 10:54:12 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 1 10:37:33 2013. Yes, my initial reaction was that the switch must have tried to send the right-hand wheels to Penn Station for the train to end up so spectacularly derailed, but it seems an awful long way back. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 1 11:03:16 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by nostalgia on Sun Dec 1 10:27:44 2013. Folks on trainorders.com say since the rear of the train is within block limits of the Amtrak line, it had to shut down too. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 1 11:08:39 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 1 11:03:16 2013. So even if the switch (about 2000 feet north of the curve) is set up to route trains to NYP, the fact that there is a train on a track that is inaccessible based on the way the switch is set, it still causes a red signal? I suppose that could be, though I don't see why it would be. |
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Posted by aaron on Sun Dec 1 11:17:13 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Dec 1 09:13:57 2013. I was thinking it's like that wreck in the Meadowlands when the 2 trains collided, killing the 2 engineers and a few others... |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 1 11:23:30 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by aaron on Sun Dec 1 11:17:13 2013. This is more like Malbone Street, without the tunnel, in push mode. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 1 12:06:00 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 1 10:34:22 2013. I didn't see much torn up rail. Anyway, there are 2 other undamaged tracks. Once they clear the derailed train away, service should be back quickly, probably tomorrow. |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Sun Dec 1 12:07:16 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 1 11:23:30 2013. Yeah, but THIS train has a Union brother at the controls, not a dispatcher....STILL LOL@BOSSES TRYING TO DO THE WORK |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Dec 1 12:10:02 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 1 10:32:19 2013. It is on the MNCR main line, ergo it is an MNCR switch. AMTK equipment south of that switch.ROAR |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 1 12:10:30 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 1 10:31:09 2013. Interestingly the tracks look OK. Looks like a clean jump, probably due to speed. Assuming the train was on the middle track, the track to the south/west of the middle track is the one all ripped up. I would assume it was ripped up as the lead four cars careened across it on the way into the center of the WYE area. Take Pride,
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 1 12:12:12 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 1 11:23:30 2013. This is more like Malbone Street, without the tunnel, in push mode. The Malbone Street accident struck the tunnel wall. Can you imagine what would have happened here if the train had struck the concrete and steel station platform at Spuyten Duyvil??? Much worse than going into the water IMO. Take Pride,
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Dec 1 12:12:35 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 1 12:06:00 2013. Only after NTSB releases the track to the railroad. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sun Dec 1 12:16:23 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 1 12:06:00 2013. From the pictures, it seems to me that the train was on the center track -- which would mean damage to both the center and southern track.I'd expect longer than usual amounts of time in this case -- this isn't a run-of-the-mill picking a switch. That train had to have been moving way faster than it was supposed to be. Why it was moving that fast remains to be seen -- but a train running at track speed doesn't end up on the waters edge after derailing. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 1 12:25:58 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Charles G on Sun Dec 1 12:16:23 2013. a train running at track speed doesn't end up on the waters edge after derailing.The train was running in the push mode. The lead car derailed first. It continued being pushed until the engine derailed or an intermediate car jackknifed.. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sun Dec 1 12:30:25 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 1 12:25:58 2013. Wouldn't there have been an emergency brake application? Unless there was a serious brake malfunction, the engine should have stopped pushing. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Dec 1 12:33:13 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Charles G on Sun Dec 1 12:30:25 2013. it did stop pushing, notice gap between cars?? but train wheels no longer brake once they leave the rail. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sun Dec 1 12:37:04 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Dec 1 12:33:13 2013. Appreciate that, which makes it all the more difficult to comprehend how the lead car ended up at the waters edge.At 30 MPH, crossing another railroad track and then making its way through brush and trees to get to the waters edge seems damned near impossible. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 1 12:38:07 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Charles G on Sun Dec 1 12:16:23 2013. Multiple sources quote the engineer as saying he applied the brakes but they didn't work. If true, it could be some pretty catastrophic (and probably theoretically impossible) equipment failure. There's also the speculation about wet leaves. |
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Posted by Charles G on Sun Dec 1 12:40:18 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 1 12:38:07 2013. I can believe a catastrophic brake failure. I could also believe operator inattention (as we saw in Spain).There have been wet leaves on the tracks since the beginning of time. No train has ever ended up at the water's edge before. It ain't wet leaves. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 1 12:46:55 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Charles G on Sun Dec 1 12:40:18 2013. I have have often sat all the way in front of MNRR trains and heard beeping noises to signal the approach of a lower speed zone. Someone else could confirm if that applies on diesel trains being pushed too. But operator inattention seems unlikely if that signaling is also on diesels. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Dec 1 12:48:53 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Charles G on Sun Dec 1 12:40:18 2013. Agreed. A wreck in which there are ejection fatalities? I don't think wet leaves alone would cause such a catastrophic event. But we'll see what develops... |
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Posted by nostalgia on Sun Dec 1 12:49:47 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Dec 1 12:10:02 2013. Really doesn't make any difference. The MN train wasn't using the track that leads to the drawbridge so the switch had nothing to do with the derailment. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 1 12:55:42 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 1 12:12:12 2013. Of if the train had lost it's brakes approaching 59th Street, or rammed the bumper block at GCT |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 1 12:58:54 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 1 12:25:58 2013. Actually, there was no zig/zag jack-knifing where all cars remain upright. The 2 - 4th cars seemed to absorb the the rearward/push pressures and toppled outwards. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Dec 1 12:59:37 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 1 12:46:55 2013. I asked about that elsewhere, TMP responded:here. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Dec 1 13:11:20 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Dec 1 12:59:37 2013. approaching the curve at spuyten duyvill the cab signal stays on clear cab (MAS) and will not show any reduction at all. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Dec 1 13:12:28 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 1 12:38:07 2013. Why is it so hard to believe in a brake failure?? Just because it doesn't happen often, doesn't mean it doesn't and can't happen at all!!! |
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Posted by CJ on Sun Dec 1 13:20:05 2013, in response to PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Dec 1 08:56:20 2013. This is really sad to see. Prayers go out to the victims in the accident. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 1 13:48:52 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Dec 1 13:12:28 2013. Turned angle cock on a NH coach is what caused the Federal's crash into DC Union Station. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 1 13:50:45 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 1 12:10:30 2013. You are probably right. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 1 13:52:41 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Dec 1 13:12:28 2013. It's only hard to believe because there are so many redundancies in passenger train equipment nowadays. Would there be an alarm if all the air went out of the brake system? |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Dec 1 13:54:40 2013, in response to PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Dec 1 08:56:20 2013. Thoughts and prayers to the victims. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sun Dec 1 13:58:32 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by nostalgia on Sun Dec 1 10:30:10 2013. Though I wonder why Albany and not Poughkeepsie or Croton-Harmon. At least get the people to a point where they can find alternate transportation other than Greyhound or the like. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 1 14:04:00 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by R36 #9346 on Sun Dec 1 13:58:32 2013. Amtrak is running now. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Dec 1 14:29:49 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Dec 1 13:11:20 2013. Ah ok... thanks for the details! |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sun Dec 1 14:58:06 2013, in response to PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Dec 1 08:56:20 2013. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Dec 1 15:25:04 2013, in response to Re: PHOTOS: MNR Derailment, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Dec 1 13:11:20 2013. So it is up to the engineer to cover his MAS.No wheel Detectors out there, eh? ROAR |
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