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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 14 21:58:34 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by WillD on Sat Jul 13 19:34:58 2013. I've only seen congestion on Las Vegas Boulevard in the rush hour. Just because the overpasses doesnt cure all the congestion, it would no doubly be much worse without them.People were for congestion pricing here when itI was estimated that congestion would have been reduced by only 10% not by 100%. I really don't think you have an argument here. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 14 22:00:51 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by AlM on Fri Jul 12 21:53:37 2013. A pedestrian overpass would speed travel for pedestrians not slow it since there would be no waiting for signals to change. No one suggested shorter walk signals. That would make no sense. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 14 22:04:06 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jul 12 22:49:54 2013. I shouldn't have said "too many pedestrians". What I meant was too many pedestrians for the amount of time for the green cycle. I said it in response to "too many cars" when during or cycle hundreds of pedestrians want to cross the street as compared to only about six cars. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 14 22:05:15 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by fdtutf on Sat Jul 13 13:19:28 2013. It would definitely be a time saver with long ramps with a gentle slope which you hardly feel. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 14 22:16:18 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by WillD on Sat Jul 13 19:46:13 2013. I never said congestion would be eliminated, I said reduced. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Jul 14 22:23:42 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 14 22:00:51 2013. A pedestrian overpass would speed travel for pedestrians not slow it since there would be no waiting for signals to changeWhat never? WALKING SPEEDS Pedestrian speeds, in addition to being directly related to traffic density, have been found to vary for a wide range of conditions, including individual age, sex, personal disabilities, environmental factors, and trip purpose. Normal walking speeds unimpeded by pedestrian crowding have been found to vary between 150 and 350 ft/min (0.76 and 1.76 m/s), with the average at about 270 ft/min. As a point of comparison, running the 4-min mile is equivalent to a speed of 1320 ft/min or almost 5 times normal walking speed. Walking speeds decline with age, particularly after age 65, but healthy older adults are capable of increasing their walking speed by 40% for short distances. Dense pedestrian traffic has the effect of reducing walking speed for all persons. The smaller personal space limits pacing distances and the ability to pass slower moving pedestrians or to cross the traffic stream. Photographic studies of pedestrian traffic flow on walkways have shown that individual area occupancies of at least 35 ft2/pr (3 m2/pr) are required for pedestrians to attain normal walking speeds and to avoid conflicts with others. Interestingly, the maximum pedestrian traffic-flow volume is not obtained when people can walk the fastest, but when average area occupancies are at about 5 ft2/pr, and pedestrians are limited to an uncomfortable shuffling gait less than half normal walking speed. At individual space occupancies below 2 ft2/pr, approaching the plan area of the human body, virtually all movement is stopped. When there is a large crowd in a confined space, this density can result in shock waves and potentially fatal crowd pressures. SPEEDS ON STAIRWAYS Movement on stairways is restrained by tread and riser dimensions, added exertion, and greater concerns for safety. These restraints result in lower speeds and lower traffic capacity on stairways than on walkways. Ascending stair speeds vary from 50 to 300 ft/min, with the average at about 100 ft/min, or one-third level walking speed. Descending speeds are about 10% faster than ascent because of the assist of gravity. A much wider variation of individual speeds exists on stairways because even minor vision or joint disabilities can significantly affect climbing or descending movements. For this reason greater attention to human factors and safety requirements is required in stairway design. Most building codes use a 22-in (560-mm) lane width as an egress standard, and multiples of this width are often used in designing stairs. This arbitrary selection can result in inconveniently narrow stairs, particularly in transit facilities where there is heavy two-way movement and people with hand-carried articles. Based on human factors considerations, lane widths on stairs in transit facilities should be in multiples of 28 to 30 in (711 to 760 mm), with a minimum width of 60 in needed for fluid two-way movement. Average speed on flat surface: 270 ft/min Average speed on stairs: 100 ft/min |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Jul 14 22:42:39 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 14 22:04:06 2013. What I meant was too many pedestrians for the amount of time for the green cycle.Consider midtown crosstown streets. There's 1 travel lane and 2 parking lanes. Turning speed for cars is approximately 5 mph. A single turning car slows down all the cars behind it. Let's assume a car travels 3 car lengths (45 ft) @ 5mph (7.5 ft/;sec) for a turn. Each car will take 6 seconds per turn. This means the turning capacity for the 35 second green cycle is 6 cars without any pedestrians in the traffic mix. The only way to guarantee no automobile congestion (cars waiting more than a single green cycle to cross a street) is to limit car volumes to 6 cars per cycle. That's 6 cars per 90 second cycle or 240 vechiles/hr. That's village volumes not city volumes. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jul 15 00:40:32 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by fdtutf on Sat Jul 13 13:19:28 2013. Again, build the inconvenient ramps for the trespassing autos. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Jul 15 00:54:11 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jul 14 22:05:15 2013. But then the ramps would have to start pretty far down the street. It would also be a pain if what you wanted was at the opposite corner. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 15 07:52:08 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by 3-9 on Mon Jul 15 00:54:11 2013. Are you also complaining about the extra walking to Select Bus Service Stops? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jul 15 11:22:22 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 12 16:50:53 2013. When I studied Urban Planning in 1972, my transportation professor that the "new thinking" was to separate pedestrians and vehicles at intersections to minimize conflicts.1972's "new thinking" is today's 40-year-old thinking. That was the era of adapting formerly walkable downtowns to function on the scale of the automobile. I finally saw that thinking in action on the strip in Las Vegas in 2010. It works quite well. It is a slight nuisance for the pedestrian, but it would be much worse to cross at street level crossing twelve lanes of traffic. Congestion would be much worse and there would be many pedestrian car accidents. I can't even imagine that area without the overpasses. You should be able to see what it looks like on Google Earth or Google Maps. There are only a few intersections where overpasses are provided, mainly where one 12 lane arterial intersects another 12 lane arterial. Every other intersection has conventional crosswalks, even across the Strip. It works OK for pedestrians going from casino to casino, since they're already at that level, but to be on the sidewalk and have to ascend to the overpass amounts to about 400 feet of out-of-direction travel. They also have escalators, which work a lot better with the climate and financial constraints of Paradise, Nevada than they would in New York. If you go any place in the Vegas area besides the Strip or UNLV, it's virtually impossible to be a pedestrian. |
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Posted by MR RT on Mon Jul 15 11:40:13 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 12 16:50:53 2013. That is the problem with NYC-DOT, Department of Traffic, they are opposed to doing anything to limit auto traffic.This prevents them thinking "out of the box". Your overpass suggestion sounds like one of theirs. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Jul 15 12:37:52 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 12 15:56:45 2013. There are working pedestrian crossing buttons at the intersection of Stone and Whitehall Streets in lower Manhattan. |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Mon Jul 15 13:07:00 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 12 16:50:53 2013. "You avoid that with overpasses which really do not have to be inconvenient if no stairs are involved."How long do you think these ramps would be? |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Mon Jul 15 13:09:37 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 15 07:52:08 2013. No comparison. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Jul 15 14:55:53 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by Tony Clifton on Mon Jul 15 13:07:00 2013. To be consistent with ADA guidelines, I would think the ramps must be long and/or winding (cannot exceed maximum incline). That would be impossible to build at narrow sidewalks with high pedestrian traffic. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 15 14:57:33 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Jul 14 22:23:42 2013. I don't see any comparison between walking speeds on a ramp as compared to crossing the street at a traffic signal. All it says is that on a ramp speeds are restricted because of the width of the ramp. But walking speeds are also restricted at ground level also because of the excessive crowding and waiting for signals to change. It does, however, recognize the advantages of grade separation. If the ramps are adjacent to buildings, perhaps space on the second level could be redesigned to accommodate additional retail space eventually giving 42 Street two levels of retail near intersections. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 15 14:59:45 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by Tony Clifton on Mon Jul 15 13:09:37 2013. There certainly is.Also, you could have down stairways (which few people mind) near the intersections to minimize any extra walking. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 15 15:01:22 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by MR RT on Mon Jul 15 11:40:13 2013. NYC DOT is constantly trying to reduce auto traffic and punish drivers. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 15 15:02:25 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jul 15 00:40:32 2013. The autos have every legal right to be there. They certainly aren't trespassing. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jul 15 15:16:43 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 15 15:02:25 2013. The autos have every legal right to be there. They certainly aren't trespassing.The same is true for pedestrians and bicycles. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jul 15 15:17:58 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 15 15:02:25 2013. Just like tobacco users. The laws will evolve, they will be curtailed. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jul 15 15:23:30 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 15 14:57:33 2013. If the ramps are adjacent to buildings, perhaps space on the second level could be redesigned to accommodate additional retail space eventually giving 42 Street two levels of retail near intersections.The ramp would block several first-floor storefronts before getting up to the level of the second floor. I don't think many property owners would go for that. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 15 18:03:02 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jul 15 11:22:22 2013. Only a few intersections? In the heart of the Strip, there are five of them, at every major intersection. The only streets that don't have them are ones that act as driveways to the hotels. There are none at the north end of the Strip because there are not enough pedestrians to warrant them. They will have them too when new hotels are built or renovated there.And how do you know what was the thinking forty years ago? Were you even alive then? For your information, Jane Jacobs was very popular back then and she advocated for Downtowns friendly to pedestrians and against cities built or the automobile, the same thinking we have today. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 15 18:05:03 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Jul 15 14:55:53 2013. They would not have to be winding and the sidewalks in midtown are far from what would be considered narrow. I see no reason why they could not be built within ADA guidelines. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Jul 15 18:22:12 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 15 18:05:03 2013. Explain how pedestrian overpasses can be built in Midtown - - try constructing one at 34th Street and Broadway/6th Ave. They would take up sidewalk space. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 15 18:31:50 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Jul 15 18:22:12 2013. Did I say anything about 34th Street and Broadway/6th Avenue?I was talking about Times Square and 42nd Street and 6th Avenue, and I already explained how I would construct them. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 15 18:57:48 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Jul 15 18:22:12 2013. Jet pack rentals ... call it "Citi-Jet" ... problem solved! :) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jul 15 19:13:01 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 15 18:03:02 2013. Jacobs was right then and remains so today. Autos don't improve urban civilization, people do. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Mon Jul 15 19:22:45 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by 3-9 on Mon Jul 15 00:54:11 2013. Lets say that the overpass needs 13 feet of clearance (which is the clearance of the Lincoln Tunnel) Add 6 inches for structure under the walkway. The ADA allows a ramp to have a 1/12 slope. So we need 162 feet of ramp. The maximum rise between landings is 30 inches and the landings have to be 5 feet long. So we need 5 landings. That brings us to 187 feet. A typical block is ~250 feet. The ramp would be 3/4 of a block long. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 15 19:42:28 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by merrick1 on Mon Jul 15 19:22:45 2013. At 6th Avenue and probably at Times Square, it is more important for the overpasses to cross the Avenues than the streets because of the right turns. The Avenue blocks are between 600 and 700 feet long, 162 feet of ramp is about a quarter of an avenue block. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 15 19:51:49 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Jul 14 22:42:39 2013. I wasn't talking about midtown crosstown streets with one travel lane. I was talking about 42 Street where there are two moving lanes and one raking lane where only two or three cars get to turn during one cycle presently at Sixth Avenue.I also was talking about building overpasses at two or three intersections, four tops in midtown, not an overpass at every intersection. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 15 20:45:06 2013, in response to What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 9 12:40:18 2013. Here's more:Sheepsheadbites Blog |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Jul 15 22:29:13 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 15 14:59:45 2013. But you're most still going to have to have ramps, which most likely will have to be ADA compliant. I don't know what the ADA rule is for incline angle, but if Chambers Street on the A/C is any indication, it would take up to half a street block or more before the ramp reaches ground level. Note that the MTA has gotten rid of a few convenient ramps around the subway because it wasn't worth making them ADA compliant.On top of that, I'm not sure exactly what you're saving in the end. Green time isn't solely for the benefit of cars, it also signals the pedestrians along that light to cross as well. Cars will still have to stop at the intersection for cars travelling across their path, and those that turn will still have to wait for the traffic to clear before making that turn. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Jul 15 22:36:05 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 15 19:42:28 2013. Still don't you think it's a pain for people walking along the avenue to have to walk an additional 320' just to cross the avenue? Even if you have a stairway option, it won't help disabled people. And for all that inconvenience, cars will still have to stop for cross street traffic, whether people cross in front of them or not. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Jul 15 22:37:48 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 15 07:52:08 2013. Only that buying an SBS ticket commits me to taking a Select bus, so I can't go for a local if one should come first. |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Mon Jul 15 23:20:36 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 15 19:42:28 2013. And you see nothing odd about doing that? Nothing at all? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 16 07:06:23 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by merrick1 on Mon Jul 15 19:22:45 2013. Lets say that the overpass needs 13 feet of clearance (which is the clearance of the Lincoln Tunnel) Add 6 inches for structure under the walkway. The ADA allows a ramp to have a 1/12 slope. So we need 162 feet of ramp. The maximum rise between landings is 30 inches and the landings have to be 5 feet long. So we need 5 landings. That brings us to 187 feet. A typical block is ~250 feet. The ramp would be 3/4 of a block long.Minimum clearance is 17 feet, and the structure would be between 2 and 5 feet depending on the material and structure design. The ramp would have to be at least 270 feet long. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 16 07:16:57 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 10 20:27:20 2013. Not when you are inconveniencing many to benefit a small minority of the population.Reminder - less than half of New York City households so much as own a car, much less use one every day. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Tue Jul 16 07:19:13 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 16 07:16:57 2013. And most of those who do own a car don't regularly drive it in midtown or downtown Manhattan. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 16 07:21:22 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by merrick1 on Tue Jul 16 07:19:13 2013. Except in the middle of the night. I used to do that ALL the time! It was great! Down 2nd, up tenth, nonstop to the Bronx! :)Daytime? Heh. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 16 08:01:53 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 15 18:03:02 2013. Only a few intersections? In the heart of the Strip, there are five of them, at every major intersection. The only streets that don't have them are ones that act as driveways to the hotels. There are none at the north end of the Strip because there are not enough pedestrians to warrant them. They will have them too when new hotels are built or renovated there.There aren't that many "major intersections." I counted four overpasses, at Spring Mountain, Flamingo, Harmon, and Tropicana. There's another one over Las Vegas Boulevard only at Sirens Cove, with crosswalks across the cross street. Other "major intersections" like Sahara, which carries just as much traffic as the other arterials, does fine with conventional crosswalks. The "driveways" also carry significant amounts of traffic and are just as wide as an arterial; Bellagio Drive is 160 feet curb to curb. And how do you know what was the thinking forty years ago? Were you even alive then? For your information, Jane Jacobs was very popular back then and she advocated for Downtowns friendly to pedestrians and against cities built or the automobile, the same thinking we have today. No, I wasn't alive then, but I see what was built then and is being replaced now. Jane Jacobs was popular because she led the open rebellion against contemporary urban planning practices. |
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Posted by MR RT on Tue Jul 16 08:11:35 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 15 15:01:22 2013. I'm of the opinon that the opposite is true ? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 16 08:17:40 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 12 11:49:17 2013. And who would pay for those free MetroCardsThe developer, as a condition of permitting the building. and if that were done, how could you enforce they would not also buy a car? You couldn't, but it would make transit more appealing. |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Jul 16 08:37:14 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 16 07:21:22 2013. when i nwas on da midnight to 8am shift i always took my 75 chevy malibu to work.hardly any traffic and i was going da other way. chud1. :).... |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 16 09:21:50 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 16 07:16:57 2013. Less than half of NYC households own a car but even fewer own bikes and use them to go to work. That's what I was talking about.And reducing road capacity not only increases inconveniences private automobiles (and zip cars which everyone seems to favor as an alternative to the private automobie) as well but also taxis, trucks and sometimes buses as well (the pedestrian plazas in midtown increased bus travel tie by ten minutes). |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 16 09:35:25 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 16 09:21:50 2013. Less than half of NYC households own a car but even fewer own bikes and use them to go to work. That's what I was talking about.The transportation infrastructure is for more than just going to work, and more households own bikes (56 percent - Page 9) than cars (46 percent). |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jul 16 14:21:42 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 12 11:49:17 2013. As RIPTA... points out, developer fee.The car registration/insurance has to have an address. If the car reg and voter reg differ, the insurance co will be very curious. FWIW, I have known car owners who have fudged registration addresses to obtain cheaper rates (you do know redlining is still alive and well), but in the current world of meta data mining, this is less easy. Entertaining to remember there was a time when department stores offered to deliver your purchases because you were using streetcars to go shopping downtown. Given our online return to what we used to call mail-order, the need for a large freight carrying car which is only rarely used to capacity becomes ever less. Grocery de3livery never really ended in some cities and with Peapod and others,, is on the rebound. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 16 16:30:40 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by chud1 on Tue Jul 16 08:37:14 2013. New York is plenty "driver friendly" ... if you're a vampire. :) |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Jul 16 16:40:29 2013, in response to Re: What Really Causes Traffic Congestion, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 16 16:30:40 2013. New York is plenty "driver friendly" ... if you're a vampire. :)Not any more - Night construction. |
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