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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Mar 11 11:58:37 2012 From WMATA's MetroForward Flicker photostream.       The truck in the picture above is not the truck that will be used under the cars. It is an outboard frame narrow gauge truck for use on the Japanese railways.  This is a picture of the truck that will be used, it was ripped from the 24 second youtube video tease.         The M Metro logo is embossed on the dark wedge between the seat back pairs John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Mar 11 12:57:30 2012, in response to WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Mar 11 11:58:37 2012. A nice car to go to THE STATEN ISLAND branch of the NYCTA.Piggy back now! Are the WMATA 7K cars A-B A-B-C or A-A? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Mar 11 13:20:01 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Mar 11 12:57:30 2012. A-B with a holster control and no full cab in the B car. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Mar 11 13:51:37 2012, in response to WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Mar 11 11:58:37 2012. Hmm...so the operator windows now slide down like they do in NY?The logo on the side of the car may be better in black or another dark color so that it stands out. This car sure is different... |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 11 14:37:50 2012, in response to WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Mar 11 11:58:37 2012. Too much black on the ends. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Mar 11 14:42:29 2012, in response to WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Mar 11 11:58:37 2012. It's very, very R160 - right down to the dreadful periwinkle-and-10% cool grey interior.wayne |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Mar 11 14:48:36 2012, in response to WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Mar 11 11:58:37 2012. Ugh WTF, they look like R160s. Dammit MTA keep your suck on your side of the river. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 11 14:48:46 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Mar 11 14:42:29 2012. The seats look hard and thin-cushioned, by D.C. standards.I don't like the splat of logo on the sides. It looks sloppy. The windscreen glass should be clear. The bottom half of the front end ought to be some color besides black. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Mar 11 14:52:32 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Mar 11 13:20:01 2012. The R-160A and R-160B's came in at a cost of $1.28 million each.What will the WMATA 7K'S come in at? |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Mar 11 14:54:41 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Mar 11 13:51:37 2012. Looks like the end of the semi-railfan view out the front of the cars, replaced by that nasty polarized window. Combined with an interior that just screams "stabbing and drunk ready" this design is a real step back for Metro. Looks like another system bites the dust when it comes to rider comfort. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Mar 11 14:56:29 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 11 14:48:46 2012. A mix of yellow or orange with black diagonal stripes. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Mar 11 15:12:29 2012, in response to WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Mar 11 11:58:37 2012. Just in time to get a piggy back order for the new service from Manhattan to Aqueduct Casino/Convention Center VIA the Rockaway Branch. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Mar 11 15:35:37 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Mar 11 15:12:29 2012. w/ the ATO equipment! so when the mythical casino specials start up they can be OPTO attendant on all of the new trackwork. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Mar 11 15:37:06 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Mar 11 14:54:41 2012. Combined with an interior that just screams "stabbing and drunk ready" this design is a real step back for Metro.Ah, I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels this way...although I wouldn't go as far as to call it "stabbing and drunk ready"...just easier to clean, lol. I know that in regards to the carpeting, some people have been complaining about them being a bit funky during inclement weather. I rode a Rohr set that smelled like sweaty gym socks and it wasn't so pleasant. It would've been nice to see carpet accents on the wall or ceiling similar to motorcoaches, though. While I guess it has 21st Century style, the 7000s don't appear to be as inviting or have any of the warmth of the other cars in the fleet. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Mar 11 15:41:12 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Mar 11 14:56:29 2012. Oy...I didn't even notice how similar they will look to the MARTA cars until you pointed that out. These cars just don't have any originality to them! It's nice that they really paid attention to form, but for goodness sakes, this is the DC Metro! |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Mar 11 16:21:23 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sun Mar 11 15:41:12 2012. yes, and as a sign of maturity stepping away from the cushy suburban living room feel toward a genuine urban subway is good. BART is fi9nally scrapping t6he filth sponge carpeting. It would be smart of them to piggyback on the 7k production--if capitalist propaganda were to be believed a longer production should reduce the unit cost. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Mar 11 17:46:02 2012, in response to WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Mar 11 11:58:37 2012. NO MAKEY IN AMERICA! |
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Posted by The Silence on Sun Mar 11 18:00:01 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Mar 11 17:46:02 2012. prototypes are always done in Kobe; everything else is handled at Lincoln and Yonkers. |
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Posted by The Silence on Sun Mar 11 18:00:01 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Mar 11 17:46:02 2012. prototypes are always done in Kobe; everything else is handled at Lincoln and Yonkers. |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Sun Mar 11 19:43:59 2012, in response to WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Mar 11 11:58:37 2012. How many cars are on order and what will be the car #s? |
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Posted by PATHman on Sun Mar 11 19:49:57 2012, in response to WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Mar 11 11:58:37 2012. I died and gone to heaven!!! |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Mar 11 20:08:41 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Mar 11 14:48:36 2012. Nah, with the black end, the slightly concave car end, and those seats the rebuilt PATCO cars and the 7000s will be dead ringers for each other, right down to interior arrangement and colors. The 7ks are just slightly portly versions of PATCO cars! |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Mar 11 20:16:29 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by PATHman on Sun Mar 11 19:49:57 2012. Why? They essentially eliminated almost all the features whose value you've extolled in the past, replacing them with the same antiseptic design elements you claim to detest in NYCT's newest rolling stock. Why is it that when NYCT does one thing you revile them, yet when WMATA does the same thing you've 'died and gone to heaven'? |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Mar 11 20:19:37 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Mar 11 12:57:30 2012. Are the WMATA 7K cars A-B A-B-C or A-A?A-C+C-B. The C cars have a holster control stand in the right bulk head door fram. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Mar 11 20:24:50 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Mar 11 12:57:30 2012. A nice car to go to THE STATEN ISLAND branch of the NYCTA.Piggy back now! No way. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Mar 11 20:26:05 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 11 14:48:46 2012. I don't like the splat of logo on the sides. It looks sloppy.The new logo has been dubbed the "Disco Ball Logo" by others. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Mar 11 20:43:20 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Sun Mar 11 19:43:59 2012. How many cars are on order and what will be the car #s?The contract goes like this:
*Total Project Scope = 748 cars Procurement contract awarded:
Last I heard the 100 4k cars will be replaced instead of being rehabilitate increase the production to 748. All or the cars will numbered in the 7000s, don't know what numbers will be assigned to each option within the 7000s. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by PATHman on Sun Mar 11 20:46:51 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by WillD on Sun Mar 11 20:16:29 2012. I wish the seating was more colorful and had more cushioning, but they kept the 2X2 seating and added a FIND.There's a difference between this  and this 
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Posted by WillD on Sun Mar 11 20:49:54 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Mar 11 20:19:37 2012. The C cars have a holster control stand in the right bulk head door frame.Hate to be a stickler, but since this is the second time it has appeared, I believe the term is hostler, not holster. |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Mar 11 21:02:58 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by PATHman on Sun Mar 11 20:46:51 2012. So you want padded longitudinal seats? That's it? That's the issue over which you've carried on your ridiculous crusade against the MTA? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Mar 11 21:23:05 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by WillD on Sun Mar 11 21:02:58 2012. The windows are bigger, and instead of anti-purse stealing bars there's glass. It is definitely nicer.Though I still have no beef against the NTT interior. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Mar 11 21:25:11 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Mar 11 12:57:30 2012. Piggy back now!Seconded! I know the MTA loves to design their own crap but SIR's needs are in a different direction than the rest of NYCT! |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Mar 11 21:49:59 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by WillD on Sun Mar 11 20:49:54 2012. Hate to be a stickler, but since this is the second time it has appeared, I believe the term is hostler, not holster.You a correct, sometimes I get in a hurry. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by The Silence on Sun Mar 11 21:55:04 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by WillD on Sun Mar 11 20:16:29 2012. If he likes it, leave him alone. |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Mar 11 22:13:41 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Mar 11 20:24:50 2012. Precisely! Especially when Frankfurt is beginning to take delivery of the first U5-50s and they would be ideal if equipped with third rail shoes. |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Mar 12 00:21:50 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Mar 11 21:23:05 2012. The windows are biggerIt looks like that's mostly attributable to WMATA having a longer car with fewer doors and not using what windows they have as housings for the exterior displays. I'll admit that's nicer, but the MTA can't exactly go to two or three doors on a 60 foot long car. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Mon Mar 12 01:17:26 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Mar 11 21:23:05 2012. The windows are bigger, and instead of anti-purse stealing bars there's glass. It is definitely nicer.The windows are smaller compared to the cars in the existing fleet, that's because the end doors are closer to the center of the car. WMATA's cars have always had the panel at the doors. Though various seating reconfiguration have eliminated some to increase standing capacity. These cars will not have the panels on the left side of the center door. The 6k cars only had them on the right side of the center doors. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Mar 12 02:45:49 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 11 14:37:50 2012. I agree. I never liked any black on the ends of the cars and that includes NYCT's NTTs |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Mar 12 05:39:32 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Mar 11 20:26:05 2012. Who is calling it that? I'm not a fan of the logo itself, the name seems fitting though. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Mar 12 09:07:06 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Mar 11 20:24:50 2012. WAY!Away with your no way. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Mar 12 09:14:23 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Mar 12 05:39:32 2012. I haven't heard it either, but I like the name. I don't mind the logo - at least it's not as pretentious as calling it "America's Subway" as they did in the renderings.I hope the red white and blue stripe at the ends of the car will return. To me, it's as important as having the mini flag decal on the sides of the Metrobuses. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Mar 12 09:16:21 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Sand Box John on Mon Mar 12 01:17:26 2012. These cars will not have the panels on the left side of the center door. The 6k cars only had them on the right side of the center doors.Intriguing... |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Mar 12 09:26:24 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by WillD on Sun Mar 11 21:02:58 2012. I feel his present approval of the WMATA 7K car, as a choice for Staten Island service, over an MTA clones, is based on the needs, and use of he riders of Richmond.Some services need unique equipment. One size does NOT fit all! It would be a good choice for some LIRR Branches Too! I'm thinking of the Port Washington Branch, and the Far Rockaway / Atlantic Ave-Brooklyn Branch. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Mar 12 09:29:52 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Mar 11 20:19:37 2012. Can I make the leap, that they could run in a three car configuration? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Mar 12 09:36:46 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Mar 12 09:29:52 2012. They can't. Not to mention, 3 car sets wouldn't work on the lifts in the shops and would be a logistical headache on the mainline, |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Mon Mar 12 13:22:53 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Mar 12 05:39:32 2012. Who is calling it that?Read it in one or more of the Washington CD urban planning / transit centric blogs. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Mar 12 15:35:25 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Mar 11 16:21:23 2012. BART can't piggyback. They will always have to custom order. :( |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Mar 12 15:40:07 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Mar 12 09:26:24 2012. Some services need unique equipment.Unique equipment = more cost for maintenance. I don't think the SIR can afford that. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 12 17:37:11 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Mar 12 09:29:52 2012. 8 is not divisable by 3 |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 12 17:38:45 2012, in response to Re: WMATA: Pictures of 7k cars, posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Mar 11 20:24:50 2012. There ought to be a way to suburbanize the R160/R179/R211/whatever for SIR. Put in R10/R16 transverse seats with a higher back. |
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