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Posted by kawasakir142 on Thu Jan 5 16:46:07 2012 Last night at work me and my co worker went into the shell of the upper level utica ave station. The shell is very Wide and about 300 feet long. Its very dark and clean. The only way to access it is from the closed mezz on the lower level. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 5 17:03:25 2012, in response to Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by kawasakir142 on Thu Jan 5 16:46:07 2012. Is that the door that goes directly into what would have been the Manhattan bound local trackway? |
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Posted by kawasakir142 on Thu Jan 5 17:37:34 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by randyo on Thu Jan 5 17:03:25 2012. Yes its on the lower level of the mezz near the utica side. Once you go through the door on the utica ave mezz, walk up the ramp in the mezz, and you're gonna see a staircase that goes to a lower mezz in the closed off area. The Door is behind a chainlink fence and when u go in the station whe wall ends at the SB trackwall on the A line but continues north past the station wall on the Manhattan A track. There are 4 trackways and 2 island plats I did not see any mile posts in the shell but its just missing tiles and tracks. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Jan 5 23:07:13 2012, in response to Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by kawasakir142 on Thu Jan 5 16:46:07 2012. I look forward to your photos.By the way, what, dept do you work in. |
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Posted by kawasakir142 on Fri Jan 6 03:04:17 2012, in response to Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by kawasakir142 on Thu Jan 5 16:46:07 2012. Stations Dept (Mobile Wash) |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jan 6 03:06:58 2012, in response to Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by kawasakir142 on Thu Jan 5 16:46:07 2012. Awesome! |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 6 11:06:35 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by kawasakir142 on Thu Jan 5 17:37:34 2012. I can just about guarentee that on this board I was the 1st one in that station,as well as S4th.st,polo grounds shuttle,the underjump at 66th.ave.that was for the proposed rockaway ext.the bedford ave.provision on the A line,the yard tracks to 76st.nevins st.L/L subway connection into the delancy st.trolley terminal,worth st.stub at east b`way[it only 15 feet long]upper level roosevelt ave.stubs at jamaica ave.on the A line,woodhaven blvd stubs,stup at bmt chambers st.jamaica bound,THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE CONNECTION into chambers st.as well as the wine cellar,36st tunnels on the 4th ave.subway,just to name a few.I,m bored as hell,thats why I posted this. |
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Posted by mike cruz on Fri Jan 6 11:23:49 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 6 11:06:35 2012. stubs at Jamaica ave? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Jan 6 11:31:32 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 6 11:06:35 2012. Woodhaven Blvd. Stubs? |
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Posted by mike cruz on Fri Jan 6 11:51:42 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by Avid Reader on Fri Jan 6 11:31:32 2012. I think the Jamaica stubs he's referring to are the Van Wyck stubs? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jan 6 11:58:01 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by kawasakir142 on Fri Jan 6 03:04:17 2012. Did you wash the shell or were you only in there for fun? Because you said it was clean... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 6 12:07:37 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by mike cruz on Fri Jan 6 11:51:42 2012. no..the turnouts located outside of the ENY[now BWAY JUNCTION]station.The tunnel was planned to run under Jamaica Avenue to Cypress Hills,where it would recapture the Jamaica Elevated. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Fri Jan 6 14:00:54 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 6 12:07:37 2012. Would it have been a 2 track line? |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Fri Jan 6 14:02:04 2012, in response to Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by kawasakir142 on Thu Jan 5 16:46:07 2012. The Utica Ave line would have been awesome. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 6 14:03:51 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 6 12:07:37 2012. I've never seen any documentation of this. In fact, the future of the Jamaica Ave el in the IND expansion plans is a bit of a mystery. Clearly it was intended to be kept, since it was originally going to be extended to 180th St, but most of the Broadway el was obviously going to be replaced by new subways. I've read one plan about it being connected to the Canarsie line, but even that was short on specifics. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 6 14:04:29 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by N6 Limited on Fri Jan 6 14:02:04 2012. Still would be (the IRT version). |
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Posted by kawasakir142 on Fri Jan 6 14:38:54 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jan 6 11:58:01 2012. LOL No we dont wash unused stations unless its City Hall Loop me and my partner were just checking out how big the station was and we found the shell through a small door that says infrastructure in the closed lower mezz near the utica ave side of the station. Pix will be up soon though. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jan 6 15:00:37 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by kawasakir142 on Fri Jan 6 14:38:54 2012. Ok. Can you get in trouble for this/that? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 6 15:07:50 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by mike cruz on Fri Jan 6 11:23:49 2012. yeah,on the A line,this was talked about last week. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 6 15:15:11 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 6 14:03:51 2012. Many of the original IND plans were extremely fluid. I have a copy of plans for the IND subway in Bkln which calls for it to continue straight down Fulton St to the Queens line and access the Fulton St el at 80 St from the north rather than from the south as it does now since the subway would not have been under Pitkin Av. As I said in many of my posts, I think that the main reason that the IND terminated at Rockaway Av for so long was that prior to unification, the route of the subway beyond that point had not been finalized. Once unification took place, the city was able to determine what it wanted to do since it was no longer really in direct competition with the BMT so the routes were reconfigured to blend with existing services rather than compete with them. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Jan 6 15:35:36 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 6 11:06:35 2012. Impressive list.Concerning the Brooklyn Bridge connection to Chambers St., how much was actually built? And what is the "wine cellar"? |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Fri Jan 6 15:46:22 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 6 14:04:29 2012. Why would the IRT version be over the IND version? |
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Posted by mike cruz on Fri Jan 6 16:34:28 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 6 12:07:37 2012. ooh I never knew that. |
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Posted by mike cruz on Fri Jan 6 16:35:16 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 6 15:07:50 2012. I seem to miss important posts from time to time LOL. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 6 17:00:54 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by N6 Limited on Fri Jan 6 14:00:54 2012. two tracks from the Fulton st local. |
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Posted by Uncle Chester on Fri Jan 6 17:04:49 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 6 11:06:35 2012. Tunnel, don't claim that. I don't post a lot but I can claim to hanging out in that part of the Utica Ave station when I was a kid back in the sixties. I lived up the street from the station at the time and a couple of partners and me made that our spot when we found out about it - and the cops wouldn't even chase you in there. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 6 17:20:35 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Jan 6 15:35:36 2012. enough of it was built that it would have noticeable before the rebuild in the 40's. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 6 17:28:01 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by Uncle Chester on Fri Jan 6 17:04:49 2012. I,ll give ya utica[don`t push your luck] |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 6 17:40:26 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Jan 6 15:35:36 2012. maybe 200 feet.if you go to the end of chambers st,downtown bound you will see a ramp,about 100 feet past the station look up&you will see a partial wall,thats the tunnel leading to the bridge tracks.it was built in 1910 by the dept.of bridges,not the brt.the wine cellar was featured on secrets of new york& photos posted here.its the storage space under the bklyn. bridge that was a wine cellar.I,ve seen photos of the bridge conn.showing both n/b& s/b cuts looking into&out of the tunnels.I,m probably one of the few rail buffs in the world[not kidding]that has seen them. |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Fri Jan 6 18:40:55 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 6 17:40:26 2012. We need you to go back to all those places with a DSLR and auxillary lighting and take a few thousand pictures! |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 6 18:51:02 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by Uncle Chester on Fri Jan 6 17:04:49 2012. do you have knowledge of a partial subway built south of atlantic ave.on utica.about 10 or longer years ago I was on the street exploring that possibilty as I had heard of such construction.An old white man came upto me& asked what I was doing.having told him,he told me he had grown up in the area&remembers subway construction s/o atlantic,I haven`t found any proof of this.it makes for an interesting story.also about the same time I was in astoria around 34ave,iirc doing the same thing.I had heard that an ind tunnel was built from astoria to roosevelt island,part of the 2nd ave.subway.same thing happened,an old guy comes up& asks what i,m looking for&relates to me he saw subway construction headed towards the east river.when I was a cop the 6-9 precient had a shooting range in the basement.while talking to another cop about my passion for unknown tunnels the range officer interupted the conversation& said the tunnel was built&the nypd stores ammo there.I can neither confirm or deny these locations. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 6 19:22:26 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 6 18:51:02 2012. THANK YOU!I knew about the UTICA AVE SUBWAY work south of Atlantic! Like You..a older gentleman friend of my father mentioned to me a long time ago around after i was talking to my mom about my trip to the TRANSIT EXHIBIT in 76'. He said he was living on DEAN st st the time..and watch them tear up the street to build the tunnel.. I even asked you guys sometime ago on SUBTALK about it! I also caught wind of the subway tunnel along Broadway/Steinway[Queens]..from a C/R years ago at Queensbridge. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 6 19:25:52 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 6 19:22:26 2012. THANK YOU TOO!its about time that someone besides me has heard the same stories from different sources.can 76st.be far behind? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 6 19:28:41 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 6 19:22:26 2012. I did post those 2 locations here 6 or 7 years ago.the consensus was that it was it was sewer construction mistaken for subway construction. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jan 6 19:34:17 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 6 19:25:52 2012. its about time that someone besides me has heard the same stories from different sources.can 76st.be far behind?Photos or it was never built. Say hello to the librarian for me ! Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 6 19:36:32 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jan 6 19:34:17 2012. ain`t no photos of MP41`s on the b`way el,or lirr steam on it or the 5th.ave.EL going to the sands st.loop. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 6 19:36:36 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by randyo on Fri Jan 6 15:15:11 2012. The reason the Fulton subway ended at Rockaway Ave so long is because while the Broadway-East New York (Junction) station was already built and tiled, WWII rationing kept metal from being able to be installed for the signalling and the tracks east of Rockaway. If they had the metal, they could have at least terminated at Bway Junction. The Shells for Liberty, Shepard, Van Siclen and Euclid were also begun vefore construction stopped because of the war. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 6 19:43:57 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 6 19:36:32 2012. There's documentation. And I bet a picture or two exists SOMEWHERE.There's no evidence 76th exists, or was built. None whatsoever. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 6 19:44:05 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 6 19:25:52 2012. i've given up on 76th st...but i AM looking forward to the UTICA AVENUE tunnel stub..saw the upper level station already sometime ago..Alley Pond Park stubway..hungry to know whats out there. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 6 19:49:50 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 6 19:44:05 2012. nothing as far as I know.no plans were made to run to alley pond pk.I have been up& down hillside ave. from 184st to little neck p`way& couldn`t find anything.on the other hand whose to say sections were built& forgotten about.want to hear a story about that? |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jan 6 19:58:49 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 6 19:36:32 2012. ain`t no photos of MP41`s on the b`way el,or lirr steam on it or the 5th.ave.EL going to the sands st.loop.Those photos probably did exist at one time. I read somewhere that many years ago, the LIRR was doing some "house cleaning" and many glass plate negatives were thrown out. Think of all that history that was destroyed by those who thought it was clutter or old stuff. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 6 20:05:26 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jan 6 19:58:49 2012. the lirr buffs who are either dead or in their `80`s were searching for them 50-60 years ago.and yes I,ve talked to them about it.nothing was found. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Fri Jan 6 20:13:29 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by N6 Limited on Fri Jan 6 15:46:22 2012. There was a proposal to extend the present Division A (IRT) subway under Eastern parkway in a 1968 plan onto Utica Avenue, and continue as a subway to a vicinity near Avenue U Brooklyn. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 6 20:17:20 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 6 19:49:50 2012. always game. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Fri Jan 6 20:18:43 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 6 19:25:52 2012. Unfortunately 76th Street, as the Island of Atlantis, does not exist!!!! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 6 20:37:34 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by Handbrake on Fri Jan 6 20:13:29 2012. right..the engineering/design portion of the route was completed by the early 70's..along with the Canarsie Relocation route to Flatbush/Nostrand Junction to the south..and across the border to Queens to the east.One issue..is the Canarsie lines was dependent of a proposed expressway along the same ROW..[Cross Brooklyn Expressway,a ROBERT MOSES PRODUCTION].As the property owners along the routing fought tooth an nail to keep their homes..somehow the MTA decided that there was no way this line could be built with the PRESENT amount of funding,WITHOUT the Expressway[FED FUNDS was building the whole thing subway/roadway ON PARTIAL ELEVATED DECKING]..No EXPRESSWAY..NO SUBWAY. The Utica subway fell to the SAS folly..FEDS getting cold feet due to shens...City deciding to DEFFER the work "until a later date,when funding become available.." No only did this route kick the bucket..the entire new routes plan died due to "shens"..and a failing city finance base. what we did finally get..with 20 years worth of work..wasn't worth the expense paid for it. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Fri Jan 6 20:43:47 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 6 20:37:34 2012. A compromise route would have brought the IRT Nostrand Avenue line down Flatbush Avenue to Avenue U, near present Kings Plaza. However Brooklyn politicians wanted both the Utica Avenue route, and an extension of the IRT Nostrand line down Nostrand towards Emmons avenue in Sheepshead Bay.Brooklyn Politico's feared that the modified Flatbush route would cause the Utica Avenue route to not get built. Well neither was built, and the surface transit mess at Flatbush terminal continues. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 6 20:49:28 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 6 19:36:36 2012. WWII couldn't have been the reason since the line was ended at Rocky Av in 1936 long before the war even started in Europe. Once unification was achieved in 1940, work on the present route started but WWII only stopped it when the US got involved in WWII in December 1941. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 6 20:51:29 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 6 20:17:20 2012. back in 1964 when I hired on to the t.a.I worked out of 207st yard as a supply truck driver,signal dept.the maintainer who was in charge of me was an old timer,at least 30 years on.I asked him about all the portals I saw around the system&what,if any thing was behind them.he`s the one who told me about 76st.he worked pitkin yard when it first opened& was in 76st when they did long relays from the yard.he described it as the other people who had been in it over the years.anyway,to make a long story longer all of his info was correct.IE there`s tunnel beyound the wall,there`s nothing beyound the wall.he is the main source for much of my tunnel knowledge that has proven to be true.when he worked the road his helper was also a tunnel buff who did his own exploring.he lived in queens village& explored the steam tunnels on the grounds of creedmore.he stated that during one of his jaunts he came across a door in the tunnel wall,upon opening it he claims to be on the track bed of a tiled,island platform station with creedmore on the walls.upon researching old long island press articles about the queens ind.it seems that the people in the vicinity of hillside ave.&237st were pushing real hard to have the ind.extended to at least there.I take this with a grain of salt,having been into the blueprint room at creedmore several years ago I found no evidense of a station.at hillside&winchester blvd on creedmore grounds new condos went up at least 5 years ago.henseforth any access to that section of steam tunnel is forever sealed up.could it be? why not,thats the romantic in me.this same person WAS in the irt ext.at flatbush&nostrand before it was sealed off.the vents in the sidewalk were concreted over &clearly visible to anyone looking down.they were removed at least 5 or more years ago when a store went up next to the irt tunnel.there is no trace of the tunnel ext. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jan 6 20:53:42 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by randyo on Fri Jan 6 20:49:28 2012. work on the ind.stopped in may of 1942. |
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