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Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 21 12:41:51 2011, in response to Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Dec 20 00:46:21 2011. The LIRR already has hundreds of miles of third rail powered track and nearly 1000 third rail only MU's. It's not about choice. There is no choice. In retrospect, using overhead wire would have been the better choice to power the railroad. But the LIRR has to operate with the infrastructure it was given. |
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Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 21 16:42:14 2011, in response to Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information, posted by PATHman on Tue Dec 20 20:33:07 2011. You completely miss the point. We are not talking about lack of patrons, but NJT's ability at moving them efficiently. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 21 16:45:10 2011, in response to Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information, posted by Train Dude on Tue Dec 20 22:51:03 2011. That is because of track quality, not the lack of electrifaction |
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Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Dec 21 16:48:40 2011, in response to Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 21 00:21:40 2011. No one rode those weekend expresses because they went to Hoboken and often experienced missed connections at Newark. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Dec 21 16:55:42 2011, in response to Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon Dec 19 23:12:41 2011. Round wheels would be a nice one... |
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Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Dec 21 20:36:39 2011, in response to Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information, posted by R30A on Wed Dec 21 16:55:42 2011. maybe on LIRR the wheels did very well on MNCR after all software modifications, leaf season was non-problematic this year. |
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Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 21 23:28:06 2011, in response to Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Dec 21 16:48:40 2011. My understanding is that lots of people rode them, even what with running out of Hoboken. NJT just canceled them out of the blue. |
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Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Dec 21 23:30:21 2011, in response to Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 20 20:12:15 2011. They have taken this McGinnis-era thing too far. It would be like LIRR splashing orange all over the place.... Definitely not. Red and tan is a color scheme considered classy, that would not be out of place in a parlor car. Contrast that with the tackiness of the C3 and M7 seats (pic credit goes to whoever posted this thread here):   It is very pleasing that rather than go with a bland grey box design or a color scheme contrived by an overpaid consultant, they actually use something that is relevant to the area the trains are actually used. It gives them... identity. |
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Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 21 23:33:02 2011, in response to Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Dec 21 23:30:21 2011. Maybe the green and blue are too relevant to the area the M-7A trains are actually used? |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Wed Dec 21 23:34:54 2011, in response to Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 21 23:33:02 2011. YO! Your presence is requested in OT Chat, Bonehead!STILL LOL@BS BREE |
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Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Dec 21 23:50:46 2011, in response to Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 21 23:33:02 2011. That's not really the right shade of green, unless you're talking Montauk, and then it's not the right equipment...It might have looked better if they used Hudson line Green... The original M1/3 interior was great. Maroon and blue with fake wood walls doesn't assault your senses first thing in the morning. |
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Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 21 23:58:57 2011, in response to Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Dec 21 23:50:46 2011. I'm talking M-7A since we were talking about M-8. The green would be Hudson and the blue would be Harlem. If that's the reason and the M-7s are identical, then maybe they just stuck with the Metro-North centric scheme for cost reasons or whatever. |
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Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 22 00:01:28 2011, in response to Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 20 20:12:15 2011. Not really, Metro-North seats face away from the middle of the car, while LIRR seats face towards the middle of the car, not to mention the blue & orange scheme the recently remodeled M3A has compared to the blue & red scheme the LIRR's M3s still have and other stuff. |
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Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Dec 23 02:35:29 2011, in response to Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 21 12:41:51 2011. The LIRR already has hundreds of miles of third rail powered track and nearly 1000 third rail only MU's.Yes, and those thousand third rail only MUs would still be fully utilized on those hundreds of (track) miles of third rail powered track. Nothing would change west of the current ends of the electrification, except that multisystem EMUs would allow for much greater flexibility in scheduling trains that originate on the east end. It's possible that if the M9s were equipped for AC pickup and used to replace both the M3s and some C3s then they'd find some use on DC-only runs, but other than a marginal increase in weight there really isn't a major impediment to that operation. Eventually the M7s would be replaced with another AC/DC EMU and the entire LIRR fleet would be capable of operating anywhere on the railroad's track. It's not about choice. There is no choice. There's always a choice. The LIRR can choose to go about the electrification of their eastern end in a piecemeal fashion, a choice which is guaranteed to result in abandonments of the most marginal segments as the shrinking diesel operations consume more and more money per passenger. The LIRR can also choose to spend much more money than is strictly required, somewhere between twice and three times the cost of an AC electrification simply to retain their technological status quo when a more efficient alternative has existed for nearly a century. Or the LIRR can choose to electrify their entire diesel network with efficient AC OHLE for about the same cost as a half-assed piecemeal extension of their third rail to Speonk, Port Jeff, and Medford. In retrospect, using overhead wire would have been the better choice to power the railroad. But the LIRR has to operate with the infrastructure it was given. The LIRR was 'given' third rail to Ronkonkoma? No, they built it. They chose to spend more money (although admittedly a smaller deficit than today given current copper prices), and maintain a technological status quo when an alternative offered the capability to provide more track-miles at the same price. Today the economics behind this decision are even more lopsided in the favor of catenary, to the point where it'd be almost criminally negligent to discount the leaps and bounds made by multisystem rolling stock in the past decade if the LIRR opts to extend their electrification. |
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Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Dec 23 02:45:37 2011, in response to Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon Dec 19 23:12:41 2011. A new and improved ability to melt their chewing gum and bailing wire substations to the ground, thereby requiring yet ANOTHER capital plan outlay for several hundred million dollars to keep the trains going? |
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Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information |
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Posted by PATHman on Fri Dec 23 02:56:35 2011, in response to Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Dec 21 23:30:21 2011. At least it's not the bland periwinkle like on the NTT's. |
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Re: LIRR interiors question |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Mon Jun 18 16:23:41 2012, in response to Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Dec 21 23:30:21 2011. Does anyone have information or comments on whether the piping on the sides of the LIRR dress covers get worn through? I'm not a regular LIRR rider, but I did drive cars with piping on the sides of the seats and that is the first thing that did wear and when it did one would get poked in the back with the plastic cord inside. This came up in a design discussion today, I wanted to see if the LIRR has known issues on this. I know the M8's on MNRR don't have it. |
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Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Jun 19 11:59:49 2012, in response to Re: LIRR & Metro-North on M-9/M-9A ''early stage'' RFP information, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Dec 21 23:50:46 2011. Better still were the various seating colour schemes that the M-1s originally had. There were five or six variants, IIRC.wayne |
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