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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 11 14:55:09 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Jul 11 12:38:59 2011. has a nice ring to it |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 11 14:56:41 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Jul 11 13:03:31 2011. When the DEs and DMs were purchased. there was also a weight issue. They were far heavier than an off the shelf locomotive. One can only wonder why the LIRR went that route. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 11 15:02:35 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jul 11 12:34:50 2011. Those descriptions are not mine. They are the manufacturers descriptions. Again - you mention seating. The criteria used to call the NJT cars multi-levels was that the could accommodate both high and low platforms. Can the Chicago area cars accommodate both? Who built them? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 11 15:03:23 2011, in response to Re: Double Deck Cars, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 11 12:34:53 2011. ok thanks |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jul 11 15:17:05 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 11 15:02:35 2011. original Highliners EMUsfor Metra Electric Saint Louis Car high level front and middle, emeergency traps for low end only.Highliner IIs recently delivered EMUs based on RTA gallery coaches on diesel hauled Metra trains same vendor as most recent. again designed for high level emergency traps South Shore Line EMUs very similar to Highliner IIs but traps used at stations east of Gary except South Bend Terminal Both David Harrison ChicagoPCCLCars and Jersey Mike have posted pix of all of these on Sub Chat. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 11 15:43:38 2011, in response to Re: Double-deck cars for NY Metro area commuter rail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 11 12:47:46 2011. Interesting. Those would be the ones with automatic trapdoors, then. I always wanted to see trapdoors raised and lowered with the push of a button; would have helped on the NEC during low-platform days to be sure (but then you'd have to train idiots not to stand on the trapdoor while it's going up). |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 11 15:45:41 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by Forest Glen on Mon Jul 11 12:45:27 2011. No it isn't. The NJT multilevels will clear wherever a P32AC-DM clears; they're the same height above rail. There might be problems relating to third rail clearance vis-à-vis low platform steps, but such cars ran in and out of GCT for ages . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 11 15:47:38 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Jul 11 09:40:06 2011. Could a wondering NJT Diesel run from Hunters Point to Speonk and backI'd like to know how a NJT diesel would become intelligent enough to wonder about stuff, first . . . although they're already more intelligent than your average NJT upper manager 
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Jul 11 16:20:46 2011, in response to Re: Double-deck cars for NY Metro area commuter rail, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 11 15:43:38 2011. If they can work out fire engine steps that automatically fully extend before you have the door open wide enough to get a foot out... |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Jul 11 16:22:30 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 11 15:45:41 2011. Penn has third rail too, and they run there. So unless there's a big difference in the contact rail height, there's no problem. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 11 16:39:03 2011, in response to Re: Double-deck cars for NY Metro area commuter rail, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 11 15:43:38 2011. IIRC MARC's Penn line is all high platform and their two other lines are all low platform. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jul 11 16:50:59 2011, in response to Re: Double-deck cars for NY Metro area commuter rail, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Jul 11 11:00:27 2011. The NJT ones have a horrid door design that guarantees slow ingress/egress. People jam up where stairways meet to go through a single-width door. Vestibule doors get less use. Also, no luggage racks on lower level.NJT does not bad how slow ingress/egress slows their trains - LIRR does. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jul 11 16:56:20 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Jul 11 09:40:06 2011. LIRR has some custom cab-signalling and 7 aspect speed control. An NJT engine could probably run, but not optimally. OK for a Saturday fan trip, but nothing else.An FL9 ran to Greenport with orange Bombardier coaches around 20 years ago. A P32DM pulled an Amfleet to Shea Stadium about 15 years ago. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jul 11 16:58:53 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Jul 11 16:22:30 2011. There is.LIRR GP-38's were banned from the 3 fantrips in the 1990's that visited MN due to 3rd rail issues. Conn DOT ex VRE coaches won't clear MN 3rd rail either, but some how or other must have run thru Penn Station to relocate them from DC to Connecticut. |
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Posted by Michael Wares on Mon Jul 11 17:01:20 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 11 11:26:14 2011. I don't know what you'd call the GO Transit (Toronto) cars, but they have doors, and seating, on the lower level; seats on the mid and upper levels. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jul 11 17:03:30 2011, in response to Re: Double-deck cars for NY Metro area commuter rail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 11 13:02:49 2011. Both stations were on the initial shitlist, as were Glen Street and Medford. Brookhaven Town officials intervened. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Mon Jul 11 17:03:48 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 11 13:02:32 2011. I honestly didn't see the article.Listen, you're a brilliant man. Had I listened to you, I wouldn't have made so many stupid mistakes. I really want to put the past behind us and learn from you. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jul 11 17:06:16 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Jul 11 13:23:07 2011. They are very similar. West of Hudson Comet-II's that MTA owned now run east of Hudson.Also 4 blue-striped Comets went to the west side (and came back) some years ago. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jul 11 17:09:32 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by Michael Wares on Mon Jul 11 17:01:20 2011. Tri-level |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 11 17:27:40 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 11 15:45:41 2011. Not necessarily. Vertical clearance is one thing, radius and side clearances are another. vertical radius is yet another issue.roar |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 11 17:49:32 2011, in response to Re: Double-deck cars for NY Metro area commuter rail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 11 16:39:03 2011. Every recent pic of Perryville I've seen shows low platforms. Same goes for Aberdeen, Edgewood, West Baltimore, and (formerly?) Halethorpe (supposed to have gotten high platforms maybe by now). |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 11 18:48:26 2011, in response to Re: Double-deck cars for NY Metro area commuter rail, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 11 17:49:32 2011. Then I am mistaken. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Jul 11 18:53:20 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by chuchubob on Mon Jul 11 11:27:55 2011. Looks similar to what CALTRAIN runs in California. Correct me if I am wrong. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 11 18:56:44 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Jul 11 18:53:20 2011. No, you're right. There have been gallery cars on the San Francisco-San Jose route since SP days. |
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Posted by blue8irt on Mon Jul 11 19:20:34 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 11 18:56:44 2011. They look like an army train. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Jul 11 19:24:10 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 11 18:56:44 2011. Thank you,kind sir. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jul 11 20:39:58 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 11 11:37:04 2011. They actually should fit, they are 14'6" same height as FL-9 or M2/4/6 and with corner notches should fit even on outer tracks.the LIRR C-1's only fit track 1 and 2(center tracks) in park Avenue tunnel their corners would hit roof on outside tracks due to curvature |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jul 11 20:41:16 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Jul 11 13:23:07 2011. they sure are,we send inspection train over and power them with west of Hudson power right ?? |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jul 11 22:34:52 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 11 18:56:44 2011. There have been gallery cars on the San Francisco-San Jose route since SP days.And maybe one day they'll get something that's lightweight, delivers great acceleration, and provides faster service that attracts riders in that corridor. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 11 22:53:07 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 11 18:56:44 2011. No, that is a NAVY train. An army train would be green not gray.roar |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 12 02:01:03 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jul 11 22:34:52 2011. Whatcha talkin' bout, Willis? The 35-mph average speed is typical of most commuter operations. Electrifying and using MUs will not improve that time—not because the MUs could out-accelerate a locomotive-hauled push-pull train, but because of "safety". |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 12 02:04:10 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by blue8irt on Mon Jul 11 19:20:34 2011. Oh? What does an "army train" look like? That's a new term to me. Thought troop transport was done with any train and no special paint was applied? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 12 02:04:57 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 11 22:53:07 2011. "Army train"? I can't find any image that does not involve munitions transport when I search for that term. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 12 02:11:53 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jul 11 22:34:52 2011. Don't all Caltrain sets have two locomotives? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 12 02:18:03 2011, in response to Re: Double-deck cars for NY Metro area commuter rail, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 11 09:24:20 2011. As NJT (except for Hoboken) & MNR should do. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 12 02:23:45 2011, in response to Re: Double-deck cars for NY Metro area commuter rail, posted by R30A on Mon Jul 11 12:58:11 2011. Center Moriches could easily be reopened, it's just that there's no demand for a new station there. Mastic-Shirley & Speonk Yard are the reasons why LIRR service runs slightly more frequently between Patchogue and Speonk. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 12 02:28:52 2011, in response to Re: Double Deck Cars, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 11 12:34:53 2011. And if the Danbury didn't lose its wire Merritt 7 would probably be a high platform station too. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 12 02:32:34 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 11 12:53:36 2011. If you're talking about NJT's multilevels they should be able to run anywhere south of Harlem, not sure about the C3's though. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 12 03:04:46 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 12 02:11:53 2011. No . . . that would be very rare. Back in the day, they used to have locomotives with six axles, so they would accelerate faster. Those cars didn't have cab cars either, so the locomotive had to run around the train at each end of the line.  I kinda like the steps on gallery cars. If steps were good enough for my ancestors, they're good enough for me.  |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 12 03:05:08 2011, in response to Re: Double Deck Cars, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 12 02:28:52 2011. True enough. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 12 03:06:09 2011, in response to Re: Double-deck cars for NY Metro area commuter rail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 12 02:18:03 2011. Bah. It's proven to be a social experiment that's way too expensive. What they should have done was ripped out all the high platforms that they originally had and converted them to low. |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Tue Jul 12 03:20:15 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 12 03:04:46 2011. They'd be a problem for your ancestors today, since they'd be old and have difficulty with stairs. |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Tue Jul 12 03:22:54 2011, in response to Re: Double-deck cars for NY Metro area commuter rail, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 12 03:06:09 2011. So...making it easier for people to get on a train is a failed social experiment? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 12 03:42:31 2011, in response to Re: Double-deck cars for NY Metro area commuter rail, posted by hank eisenstein on Tue Jul 12 03:22:54 2011. That doesn't make it easier to get on a train. Nobody's able to get on a Metra train in Chicago? And that's aside from the fact that even back then, 70-percent low floor would have been feasible for EMUs. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 12 03:44:54 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by hank eisenstein on Tue Jul 12 03:20:15 2011. Stereotyping due to ageism is unbecoming. People who have difficulty with stairs would be unlikely to frequent trains anyhow. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Jul 12 04:30:39 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by Forest Glen on Mon Jul 11 17:03:48 2011. you can't be serious. If you are...Do you have any self respect at all? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 12 04:41:23 2011, in response to Re: DOUBLE DECK CARS, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 12 03:04:46 2011. Thanks, I was finally going to see one of those MPI locomotives (and the nice coaches they, Sounder, and Coaster haul) in person soon, but something came up, oh well. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 12 04:42:23 2011, in response to Re: Double-deck cars for NY Metro area commuter rail, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 12 03:06:09 2011. How do the wheelchair ramps at low platform stations work? Does the train have to make a double stop at those stations to accommodate the wheelchair passenger? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 12 04:52:10 2011, in response to Re: Double-deck cars for NY Metro area commuter rail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 12 04:42:23 2011. I've never seen a mini-high actually used. Might have to be a double-stop if at least one door doesn't platform there.This is a pic of the mini-high at Harriman NY on the Port Jervis line. Even has extra horizontal clearance for freight trains, so it'd probably need a bridge plate.  |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jul 12 05:09:43 2011, in response to Re: Double-deck cars for NY Metro area commuter rail, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 12 04:52:10 2011. Freight cars are actually narrower than passenger cars and on flat cars would reach above a platform. only specialty cars like well cars with oversized loads would not clear (high and wide) |
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