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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 4 14:01:02 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 4 13:40:13 2008. The $2 shuttle bus was not operated by the PA. It was operated by a third party to get the third party's passengers to the airport terminals. It was all part of TTTTP service.The $2 bus apparently (and correct me if I am wrong) was the ONLY bus that could take the regular subway people away from Howard Beach NYCT station to where they had to go also. Either way it was relevant, as subway people were being charged to take that bus (unless they took the JFK Express). Some people paid for that bus, others did not. The parallel to today's airtrain is the free shuttle bus the PA ran from the subway station to the terminals. ...which also parallels the other $2 bus, that prior was also the only bus that subway people had to pay for. It's irrelevant "who" was operating the bus. It was "the" bus that the NYCT people had to use. The Q10 wasn't operated by the MTA or the PA back then either. People arrive at the airport property via NYCT, then they are circulated to the terminal buildings by the PA. Just as they did when the JFK Express was there. People came via the JFK express, OR the normal subway. The $2 bus fee was waived for the people that arived via the JFK Express. The other subway people had to pay $2. After that service ended, for about 10 years, the PA had no choice but to operate a bus, as "someone" had to do it. They thankfully replaced that inconvenient bus and replaced it with Airtrain, a much better service, which is much more likely to attract passengers through an all rail connection than a bus at the mercy of conditions and through all weather condition, and schlepping. There is no precedent for the airport controlling authority to charge money to circulate people within the airport grounds. None. Precedent doesn't amount to oa hill of beans, but even so, there was. It was the $2 bus that the subway people HAD to take to get from the NYCT HB station to their terminals. Doesn't matter who operated it - the PA didn't need to operate it as that service was being done by someone else. IIRC the Q10 is no longer allowed to stop at all the terminals. It can only stop at some of the non-terminal airtrain stations and JFK terminal 4. That makes the bus service more inconvenient than it used to be. Not at all, it connects to the free circulator at Federal circle and Terminal 4. It's actually more convenient as once on the free circulator, the airtrain is not at the mercy of looping the entire airport in all kinds of traffic conditions, and signalling. Airtrain just wisks above it. I had taken the Q10 often back then, and it was far from convenient to get to and wait for. You still had a schlep between the bus shelter and the terminal, and you had to wait in all kinds of weather conditions in a small bus shelter, and was at the mercy of Airport traffic, signalling, etc. Not to mention the headways were not nearly as good as AirTrain is. And the Q10(which was not operated by the MTA or the PA) was allowed to circulate for free, just like now, so nothing has changed, except they can come in and get out faster now by efficiently dropping passengers off at Federal Circle (and apparently Terminal 4, which I was not aware of, which I think is the International Building). Of course back then the bus circulating was much more necessary, as there was no rail circulator connecting the terminals back then, so it was necessary to cirle the entire airport. That's not necessary now, as the circling is handled efficiently (and for free) through airtrain. |
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