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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 4 21:39:24 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 4 20:26:35 2008. It is totally relevant, as I am talking about airport circulation, not TTTTP. You keep missing that point.I am not talking about the JFK Express either. I am talking about the $2 shuttle bus that was REQUIRED to take for the subway people coming out of Howard Beach. Anyone not paying for the TTTTP had to pay a $2 fee to take the shuttle bus from Hoaward Beach to the terminals. Nope, that was a private service directly related to and part of the MTA. It had nothing to do with the PA, AFAIK. I don't know who ran the bus, but it's not relevant. THAT bus was the only way for normal subway people from the A (and then the C and H too) to get to the terminal. They HAD to take the $2 bus from there. They had a choice! Close the exit and don't provide service! But they didn't! They left it open recognizing its value. And why didn't they charge for the bus? Because it's not done anywhere else! Back then they understood. Because there was no premium service there anymore. The TTTTP was gone. "Something" had to bring people from the HB station to the terminals, it's not conductive to walking that distance. So for about 10 years or so, people lucked out and had a reprieve after the $2 bus that used to run there was free for some years. That $2 bus used to be the only way. Your famous "precedent". No, I don't see it as likely to attract significantly higher numbers of passengers who wouldn't have taken the old free shuttle bus. Source? I would like to see the AirTrain stats Vs the old Subway bus stats. Seamless rail service traditionally is more reliable and more attractive than a bus. Really, I would love to see the stats. Until we see the stats, you can't use that card either (that people rather have the free bus). Yes precedent matters, and the precedent is that everywhere else in the country this service is free, and that the PA even operated it for free for many years. The rest of the country is irrelevant, as each market, location, and situation is different. Further more, if you want PRECEDENT, there was a $2 shuttle bus there for many years. Regardless of who ran it, the $2 bus was the ONLY way for A (as well as C & H) train people to get from Howard Beach to the terminals. You keep forgetting that bus. That damn fly in your whole speil. No, it is not more convenient. A one seat ride to your terminal is more convenient. Yes, but we don't have that either. That unfortuantely wasn't done. But a two seat rail connection is always more convenient (and is in this case for sure) than a rail to a bus connection. Why should the PA being pushing all the NYCT/MTA bus passengers onto airtrain for free when the PA seems to like to charge transit transferees? The PA? When did the PA start running the Q10? The Q10 always had access to the airport, it's no different now than before the MTA owned it, and before there was AirTrain. the only difference now is that they dump them all out (more ocnveniently) to the circulator. The bus is no longer at the mercy of the traffic, and all weather conditions (for passengers) as it was when it had to circle the whole airport. The bus can now get out of the airport much faster than before. If you want to reroute the Q10 to Howard Beach instead instead of going down lefferts, be my guest, but I can't see how that would be a change for the better. |
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