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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Apr 20 00:23:17 2007, in response to Re: No, The outer boros get shafted (was: Re: Whining......), posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 19 23:38:52 2007. Every single route that was built since the 50's was a completion of the Board of Transportation system or route planning.Relevance? The De Kalb Avenue rebuild? A BOT plan refecting the SECOND AVENUE SUBWAY. Your point? It was constructed without the existence of a SAS. Even IF the SAS was constructed at that time, the DeKalb rebuild would not have benefitted Manhattan riders. Chrystie St..?The EXTREMELY curtailed version of the SECOND AVENUE SUBWAY.. Your Point? What was built in the end was built solely to benefit brooklyn riders. 6th Avenue Bypass tunnels? Part of the SECOND AVENUE SUBWAY project. I don't understand what you're getting at there. 6th avenue was always supposed to get express tracks, just that it was supposed to be PATH's tracks. Rockaway Line..? An BOT IND SECOND SYSTEM ROUTE that was actually USED. Now this is where you loose all coherence. My issue is that the MTA has made most upgrades in the outer boroughs. Who cares where the original plan came from? How is that relevant? 57th st/6th Avenue..?Part of the IND SECOND AVENUE PROJECT. No. See below. South Brooklyn IND takeover of the Cluver line..?Planned by the BOT as part of the IND's original route,as well as part of a new route to Fort Hamilton Pky...and the West End Elevated. Again, you're only proving my point. 11th st Cut..?A BOT answer to the lack of Manhattan bound local service on the Queens Blvd local[BKLYN QNS CROSSTOWN].. Again, you're only proving my point. 63RD st..?Also part of a BOT plan thought the location of the tunnel changed from 76THstreet to where the present tunnel is located.Even the Super Express was part of it..just like Archer Avenue was. IIRC, the original plan had ZIPPO connections to Queens. Later on, in the late 30s, the plan you mention was proposed, along with many other changes. They eventually changed the plan to 61st street. Then 62nd. Then 63rd. In the final plan, a new tunnel was built to Queens, for very little benefit to Manhattanites. Thus: Again, you're only proving my point. All of the routes ABOVE were products of the 30's..envisioned by the BOT..most directly spawned from the planned SECOND avenue subway. So, your point is that the MTA took BOT plans, and only built the portions that benefitted people in the outer boroughs. Sure everybody benefited from them..but the CORE of them was to benefit Manhattan. Did you even read what you wrote? Let's recap: DeKalb rebuild: benefitted Brooklyn. Chrystie St, AS BUILT: Benefitted Brooklyn. 6th avenue Bypass tunnels: Mainly benefitted Brooklyn, as they allowed Brooklyn riders to have extra trains to access to midtown. Rockaway Line: Benefitted Queens Riders 57/6th: Benefitted Manhattanites, but mainly riders of B'way Bklyn (the terminal was served by their train!) Culver Hooked to Crosstown: Benefitted Brooklyn. 11 St Cut: Benefitted Queens. 148th: Benefitted Manhattan 63rd: Benefitted Queens. I don't have to debate with you. You've just argued against yourself. |
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