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Re: No, The outer boros get service to the CBD (was: Re: Whining......)

Posted by J trainloco on Fri Apr 20 16:43:05 2007, in response to Re: No, The outer boros get service to the CBD (was: Re: Whining......), posted by MATHA531 on Fri Apr 20 16:28:39 2007.

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...but even accepting the argument how important it is to better service people coming from the outer boroughs in the CBD, what about the people in the many areas of Queens (and I will list Queens first) and in Brooklyn (which I happen to know better; not that I think Brooklyn deserves priority over Queens although there are large areas of Brooklyn without any subway service)....aren't these people entitled to the same opportunity to enter the CBD as everybody else (not to leave out Staten Island which has no access)..

What about them? Again: COST/BENEFIT. I'm all for subway extensions to in the outer boroughs, but not before a SAS is built.

I really do believe that the attitude today is that bus to the subway is sufficient, cheaper and now that double fares have been somewhat eliminated, what's the big deal.

No, the attitude is: We don't have the money to provide everyone with rail service, and we never will.

I'm just stating it from a historic viewpoint and also as a kid having to pay a double fare everytime I ventured into Manhattan to go to a Knick or Ranger game and coming home at night and having to rely on the B6 bus to get from the Brighton station at Avenue J to my parent's house in Canarsie and how many night then I had to wait 20 minutes for a bus as there was absolutely no attempt made to coordinate the bus and the subway...how often did I see the train coming into the Avenue J station just as the bus took off..it bugged me then and I felt it was unfair..and my point was nobody cared then and quite frankly, nobody cares now because after all it's Queens and Brooklyn.

What is your point? Buses are not coordinated in manhattan either. The big difference is that Manhattan has a lot more subway service, most likely because it:

1. Is a lot denser than Brooklyn or Queens.
2. Is the location of more destinations.

Your own example is a case in point. Likely where your parents lived is an area of far lower density than manhattan. What would a cost/benefit analysis say about building rail to that area? Remember, the MTA has limited resources, and they have to spend them where they will benefit the most amount of people.

Do you for one second think that if an electrical blackout which hit Queens and deprived people of electricity for a week ever happened in the CBD, it would have taken a week to fix????

If you understood the engineering elements behind said blackout, you would realize that the issue was not the repair work, but what lead to the blackout. If the same blackout occurred in the CBD, it would have taken quite some time to fix. Of course, a couple of things to remember about the CBD:

1. They get better maintenance. They use a lot more power.
2. Many buildings can generate their own power.

So, there never would have been a blackout in the CBD. Of course, I want you to answer this question: would a blackout in the CBD be more detrimental than the one in Queens?

For the Record, I did not "put you down for whining".

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