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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 18:43:23 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 30 18:29:33 2011. so? unlike the usual suspects here, I do not form my ideas based on "political party", I support ideas I agree with, and I agree with much of what he has said there. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 18:48:15 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 30 18:39:08 2011. But they'll keep choking America until they GET it. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 18:49:16 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 30 18:40:19 2011. More than just that. They've made that VERY clear. Can't wait to see what happens when we can't pay the military. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 18:49:49 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 18:28:17 2011.  the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans the republicans |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 18:49:54 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 18:42:20 2011. Heh. I love you republicans. You can't even spot what SMAZ is up to, can you? LOL |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 18:51:27 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 18:43:23 2011. The usual suspects, as you wish to claim them, actually RESEARCH the information rather than reading blogs written by paid advertisers for a cause. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 30 18:52:20 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 18:27:14 2011. No problem.Truth is that these posts of mine may appear cruel and seem irresponsible but doing the same insanity over and over is what is actually cruel and irresponsible. Every 75 years or so, America crumbles and then has a rebirth that makes the ensuing decades better (until we become compliant again that is). 1787-89: The nation was built with our Constiution and Bill of Rights to replace the failed setup under the Articles of Confederation. Things were good for a while, people around the world were inspired, then it all went to hell because of slavery and 19th century teabaggery. 1861-1870: Civil War and Reconstruction Amendments to the Constitution Again that trauma made the nation better and the country moved foward and embraced the Industrial Revolution in stride. Then everyone got greedy, compliant and stupid. 1929-1945: Great Depression and WW2 Again, one of our worst times that however eventually led to something better later thanks to those traumas themselves. Then we forgot again...as usual. So here were are now. Would a default and downgrading suck big time? Absolutely. But it's the only way we can make things better for future generations. By starting over and prioritizing. The party is over. Our generation is shot but the shock of what's about to happen is what is needed to bring some common sense and lucidity to the whole thing. As you all can see, I'm not happy that we got to this point but doing something about it now is the only way to stop the folly. The only way the parties will do anything meaningful is if the unspeakable happens. As with Washington, Lincoln and FDR before him, Barack Obama is uniquely suited to get us through the harsh realities that await us whether one likes him or not. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 18:55:56 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 18:38:26 2011. Yes, and with all those things we would be FURTHER in debt, thank GOD all those things were dropped. just what we need expensive high speed rail between "Tampa and Orlando" that no one needs...., rolls eyes. |
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Posted by mr mabstoa on Sat Jul 30 18:58:06 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 18:32:47 2011. No these jobs are in Wisconsin and J Immelt is the head of Obama's job council! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 30 18:59:54 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 18:43:23 2011. I didn't mention any political parties either. But he heavily implied that we shouldn't have to live within our means. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:00:05 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 18:49:49 2011. 
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:02:56 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 18:55:56 2011. But YOU said the democrats didn't do any compromising. Excuse me? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:06:10 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by mr mabstoa on Sat Jul 30 18:58:06 2011. They're also in Schenectady and they've been cut too. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 30 19:06:35 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 30 18:59:54 2011. But he heavily implied that we shouldn't have to live within our means.Can you not read? I'm the one that said i favor Boehner's bill because 1: It will trigger a downgrade 2. It requires a BBA for future debt ceiling increases. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:09:12 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 30 19:06:35 2011. Arguing with Olog. LOLHere ... even better than jeweler's rouge. :) 
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:16:15 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 30 18:52:20 2011. I agree with your entire post, except the last sentence. Unfortunately, I don't think Obama has the ability to lead in this. I think Clinton could have done it, Reagan could have (and I know you hate him), but I don't think Obama is suited (although, that said, i don't think Bush would have been suited either). |
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Posted by mr mabstoa on Sat Jul 30 19:18:49 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:06:10 2011. But isn't that hypocritical of an Obama appointee to do?I know you rail against Germany buying our debt and China/Bush but doesn't this bother you? A Obama jobs council leader sending jobs from Wisconsin and NY to China? And it all goes against your comment about republicans wanting to kill America. A Obama appointee is killing America and NY! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 30 19:20:12 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by mr mabstoa on Sat Jul 30 19:18:49 2011. I know you rail against Germany buying our debtHe does? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:26:26 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by mr mabstoa on Sat Jul 30 19:18:49 2011. Germany cashed out last week. China's about to. And yes, it bothers me plenty because this is only the beginning. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 30 19:28:00 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:16:15 2011. Obama has a calm temperament, great intelligence, steely resolve, a progressive forward-looking outlook and is good at getting parties together and getting things done.We still have not even seen the best of Barack Hussein Obama. Just glimpses of it, often under impossible circumstances. You will see it in the days and months ahead. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:31:36 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 30 19:28:00 2011. we shall see, but I don't see it in him. i hope i am wrong, as we need a strong leader in this, but unfortunately, I don't believe we have one right now. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 30 19:34:56 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 30 18:40:19 2011. Nope.Social Security and Medicare will be among the pillars left standing. It's the rest of the rubble that will be carted off. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 30 19:35:04 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 30 17:53:35 2011. A BBA is the *wrong* thing to do. period. Even the Chinese do not have one. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:39:17 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 30 19:34:56 2011. False. Stated policy already is that medicare will either be privatized or vouchered, they're absolutely firm on that. And social security will be pushed off past 70, no COLA and benefits reduced. You really ought to look into the crap they're selling. See the article about what Moody's is doing. Banks get paid, NO social security checks at all ... |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 30 19:39:51 2011, in response to Re: LION! Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 16:39:18 2011. They're passing plenty of stupid unwanted unwarranted one house bills. Seems like such a waste of money bringing them into work. They haven't done one constructive thing yet. They said they were going to focus on jobs "like a laser". It's been over 6 months, and they have no jobs bill. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:40:05 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 30 19:35:04 2011. If they want to do it, fine. BBA will take years and has no place in a temporary spending bill. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:42:13 2011, in response to Re: LION! Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 30 19:39:51 2011. Gotta love that tea party. :)
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:45:00 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:39:17 2011. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:46:35 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:45:00 2011. You really ARE a horse's ass. :(http://www.google.com/search?q=republican+medicare+privitization |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:49:23 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:46:35 2011. Why because I am not drinking what you are presenting? Sure, I'm the good little boy if I just agree with the propaganda. Social Security and Medicare are the first things that will be paid. It's been a propaganda campaign by Obama and people like you to scare the hell out of seniors and others that are on SS to ensure they would drink the kool aid. And now of course I am a horse's ass for not drinking it. Come on, even you can't be that over the edge at this point. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:52:13 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:49:23 2011. Let's see what happens.It was the GOP that failed to do the mundane, escalating this into a war on America. ALL of this belonged in the budget negotiations, not a housekeeping bill. But you won't bother with that, will you? |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 30 20:03:50 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:49:23 2011. Someday, you too will be old and sick. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 20:22:03 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 30 20:03:50 2011. That's what they get for not reading "Ant and Grasshopper" in school. Going to be a nasty, rude awakening for them which is why folks our age are so pissed. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 30 20:28:29 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:39:17 2011. Politicians tend to get religion quickly when they see their colleagues booted out of office for messing with those programs.Why do you think they opposed them in the first place? Same with Obamacare which will become another sacred cow. The GOP can't even bring itself to allow a year to go by without doing the Medicare "doc fix" even though they were the ones who insisted on those cuts in the 90's. Never implemented except for the first couple of years. They went out the window once Bush was installed. None of their proposed cuts are to be taken seriously. It's why we need either a default or a downgrading. At that point, politicians would have to make real decisions and I can assure you that it's not gonna be Medicare that goes. people still vote. Even Teabaggers have said in recent polls that there will be hell to pay if "government puts its hands on their Medicare". The only thing GOP politicos care more than their ideology is their jobs. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 30 20:37:45 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 20:22:03 2011. I'm pissed because the twerps they elected stole the FICA trust funds surpluses we worked so hard for (and as employers, contributed double). |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 20:40:43 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 30 20:37:45 2011. And all the stimulus money got sent by corporate recipients to China as investments in THEIR infrastructure just to keep any of it from getting spent here. But then that would be "off message" for the corporate media. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 20:54:47 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 30 20:28:29 2011. We shall see ... but for now ... And they're just sitting there, doing nothing but pouring napalm on it. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 30 21:09:39 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 30 20:28:29 2011. There's quite a gulf between what the people think (and the ascendancy of teabaggers proves that they will buy into what they're fed, in sufficient numbers to elect enough of them in enough parts of the country) and what the republicans' agenda is. Too bad you can't see that they don't care....Karl Rove proved that all you need do is sell some fear (and have a few choice corporations in your pocket to assist) to get re-elected. So their ideology trumps all. They can readily get around the rest. The people be damned, and they will be. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 30 21:10:30 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:40:05 2011. It has no place in *any* bill, IMO. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 21:16:22 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 30 21:10:30 2011. They COULD tack it onto the Defense of Marriage Amendment and save some postage ... assuming that they don't kill the Postal Service first. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Jul 31 00:12:03 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:16:15 2011. Don't look now but he's doing it.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 31 00:17:10 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 30 19:28:00 2011.  This should just about sum up that load of bullshit! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 31 00:56:43 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:49:23 2011. Imagine if Obama did carry out that threat and pandemonium ensued. What do you think will be done to him afterwards, if not by Congress then the military? |
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Posted by dand124 on Sun Jul 31 01:01:55 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 31 00:56:43 2011. What do you think will be done to him afterwards, if not by Congress then the military?Are you advocating a military coup? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 31 01:09:35 2011, in response to Trollog wants the USA to become a dictatorship Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by dand124 on Sun Jul 31 01:01:55 2011. "Imagine if Obama did carry out that threat and pandemonium ensued. What do you think will be done to him afterwards, if not by Congress then the military?"Are you advocating a military coup? No, dummy. Warning of the possible danger of such is not desiring such. I'd very much like to forestall even the glimmer of a possibility. Your taking my quotes out of context = fail. |
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Posted by dand124 on Sun Jul 31 01:13:45 2011, in response to Re: dand wants the USA to become a dictatorship Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 31 01:09:35 2011. No, dummy. Warning of the possible danger of such is not desiring such. I see, you don’t want the USA to become a dictatorship you’re just concerned it might necessary, riiight Your taking my quotes out of context = fail. i didn't take your quotes out of context. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 31 01:18:00 2011, in response to Re: Trollog wants the USA to become a dictatorship Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by dand124 on Sun Jul 31 01:13:45 2011. i didn't take your quotes out of contextYes you sure did. Do you really have to openly lie? (You don't have to answer that; it'd be another lie.) you don’t want the USA to become a dictatorship you’re just concerned it might necessary Since you thought of that, it's safe to infer that you're the one who thinks it "might (be) necessary". Look up the word "forestall", dumbandKKK. |
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Posted by dand124 on Sun Jul 31 01:24:34 2011, in response to Re: dandKKK wants the USA to become a dictatorship Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 31 01:18:00 2011. Yes you sure did. Do you really have to openly lie? (You don't have to answer that; it'd be another lie.)that the ones you always tell. Since you thought of that, it's safe to infer that you're the one who thinks it "might (be) necessary". Look up the word "forestall", dumbandKKK. You were suggesting that if Obama ignored the debt ceiling that the military might be involved. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 31 01:30:00 2011, in response to trollog-High is an idiot Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by dand124 on Sun Jul 31 01:24:34 2011. You were suggesting that if Obama ignored the debt ceiling that the military might be involvedYou are an ignorant piece of garbage and a liar (again). I said if pandemonium ensues resulting from Obama carrying out his threat in the media of not sending out government checks, then the military might get involved because of not only having to quell unrest but also to restore order in the government. I said nothing about raising the debt ceiling. Are you that stupid or that vindictive? that the ones you always tell What lies have I told? Go on, list them. Although judging by your sick, twisted goings on in this subthread, it'll probably be more lies out of you. |
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Posted by dand124 on Sun Jul 31 01:34:55 2011, in response to Re: Just raise the F###ing debt ceiling, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 31 01:30:00 2011. You are an ignorant piece of garbage and a liar (again). I said if pandemonium ensues resulting from Obama carrying out his threat in the media of not sending out government checks, then the military might get involved because of not only having to quell unrest but also to restore order in the governmentSorry I thought this was in response to Obama rising to debt ceiling unilaterally, my mistake. It still doesn’t change the larger context however. I said nothing about raising the debt ceiling. Are you that stupid or that vindictive? this thread is about the debt ceiling. What lies have I told? Go on, list them. Although judging by your sick, twisted goings on in this subthread, it'll probably be more lies out of you. your claim that the Bosnian Genocide never happened for starters. |
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