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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 02:20:59 2011 Just wanted to get some opinions on this interesting Fox News piece I just read, especially from my fellow Liberals. Do you agree that government aid is indeed a Liberal ploy to keep the poor where they are for votes? Excuse this thread if the article was already posted here.Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks? The other day, I went to Times Square to ask people what government should do to help poor people. Most everyone agreed on the answer: "more social programs and a higher minimum wage." It's intuitive to think that way. I used to think that, too. When President Johnson declared a "war on poverty," he said "compassionate government" was the road to prosperity for poor people. That made sense to me. At Princeton, I was taught that government's central planners had the solution to poverty. But then I watched them work. Government spent trillions of dollars on poverty programs, and the poverty level stayed stuck at about 12 percent of the population. It's stayed there for about 40 years. Now I understand that that government poverty programs encourage people to stay dependent. There's money in it. They policymakers would have known this 25 years ago had they read "The State Against Blacks." The author, an economist, said poverty programs destroy the natural mechanisms that have always enabled poor people to lift themselves out of poverty. That author, who will be a guest on my Fox Business show, is Walter Williams of George Mason University. Williams, who is black, says "there's a huge segment of the black population for whom upward mobility is elusive, and it's because of the welfare state -- because of government." Williams elaborates in a new book, "Race and Economics." A chief culprit, he insists, is the minimum wage. "Let's not look at the intentions behind minimum wage," he said. "We have to ask, what are the effects? Put yourself in the place of an employer who must pay $7.25 no matter whom you hire. Will that employer hire a person who can only add $3 or $4 of value per hour?" He will not. And so fewer young people get hired and "get their feet on the bottom rung of the economic ladder." This hurts all young people, but black teens most, he says, because "many of them get a fraudulent education in the public school system. So a law that discriminates against low-skill people has a doubly negative effect on black teenagers. The unemployment rate among black teens today is unprecedented in U.S. history. In the '40s, black teenage unemployment was less than white teenage unemployment." And yet a Pew survey says 83 percent of Americans support raising the minimum wage. "People have the misguided notion that the minimum wage is an anti-poverty tool." Economists understand the truth. A survey of the American Economic Association found that 90 percent of economists say the minimum wage increases unemployment. Williams says the minimum wage law has also been a tool of racism. In his book "South Africa's War Against Capitalism," he studied that country's labor markets during apartheid: "White racist unions in South Africa that would never have a black as a member were the major supporters of minimum wage laws. Their stated purpose was to protect white workers from having to compete with low-skill, low-wage black workers. In the United States we found some of the same reasoning for support of a super minimum-wage law," the Davis-Bacon Act, which forces taxpayers to pay union-like wages for government-funded construction projects. Williams says other programs designed to help the poor -- like welfare payments -- have wrecked the lives of millions of black people. He likens the welfare state to a "drug pusher" that keeps people dependent and in poverty. "The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery (and Jim Crow and racism) could not have done … break up the black family. Today, just slightly over 30 percent of black kids live in two-parent families. Historically, from the 1870s on ... 75-90 percent of black kids lived in two-parent families." Why does the welfare state create illegitimacy? "(Without welfare,) people would decide, 'I'm going to go out and get a job, I'm going to live more responsibly.'" And that would include getting married before having children, something the welfare system discourages. I believe the creators of the welfare state had good intentions, but good intentions aren't good enough. Even if deficit spending were not bankrupting America -- which it is -- America should end these programs. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Jun 5 02:39:26 2011, in response to Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 02:20:59 2011. i disagree with Walter Williams |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 5 04:02:34 2011, in response to Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 02:20:59 2011. Stossel calls himself a libertarian, so there are a good few things I don't agree with him on automatically. But a country needs to have jobs—especially manufacturing jobs—or else it's not producing any wealth. The USA used to produce half the world's goods, and that's when it was strong; the politicians and industrialists gave it all away to other countries, who are gearing up to wipe us out.Secondly, Stossel comes out with the pro-family argument, which I'm 100 percent for, because if you don't have families, you don't have a society and everything will collapse. Family is the basis of government, so if you don't have proper families, you have anarchy; making government stronger won't be the answer. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Jun 5 07:43:36 2011, in response to Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 02:20:59 2011. Maybe they should ask the brothers and sisters who are on it.. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Jun 5 09:29:12 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Jun 5 02:39:26 2011. Of course you don't. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 5 11:21:09 2011, in response to Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 02:20:59 2011. I don't agree with their thesis that cutting government aid will decrease poverty. Poverty is relative. People who live in poverty in the United States tend to have running water, electricity, telephone and TV. In poorer countries those are luxuries. The poverty rate isn't going to decrease, you're just going to have people in poverty live better off.That having been said, I agree with abolishing the minimum wage and that welfare has encouraged absentee fathers. Another thing they neglect to mention that would help blacks economically is a crackdown on illegal immigration. I don't know what they mean by "fraudulent education," sounds like those right-wingers who think public schools are "indoctrination centers" (actually they are, but that is not a bad thing). |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 19:51:54 2011, in response to Re: John Stossel on welfare, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 5 04:02:34 2011. Secondly, Stossel comes out with the pro-family argument, which I'm 100 percent for, because if you don't have families, you don't have a society and everything will collapse. Family is the basis of government, so if you don't have proper families, you have anarchy; making government stronger won't be the answer.That's an interesting argument, how do you feel about divorce and its effect on families? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 19:58:29 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 5 11:21:09 2011. Another thing they neglect to mention that would help blacks economically is a crackdown on illegal immigration.Yeah, that's another reason why I'm now anti-Illegal Immigration, although I have nothing against illegal immigrants for wanting a better life personally. I don't know what they mean by "fraudulent education," sounds like those right-wingers who think public schools are "indoctrination centers" (actually they are, but that is not a bad thing). How is that not a bad thing? You know what I think about school. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Jun 5 20:02:57 2011, in response to Re: John Stossel on welfare, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 19:51:54 2011. to HELL with ''John Stossel'' !! |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 5 20:10:47 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 19:58:29 2011. E-verify and less illegal immigration has helped black employment in the LA area. Where I live I see plenty of jobs that were staffed by people that only spoke Spanish that now employ blacks and Hispanic Americans (whose parents were probably illegal, but oh well). Mostly food and restaurants. For a couple of decades fast food jobs in the LA area had mostly been staffed by illegal Hispanics between 30 and 50 years old, but over the last two years those jobs have skewed younger and American. Of course quality has gone way down, but that's the price that we have to pay. ;) |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Jun 5 20:46:04 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Jun 5 02:39:26 2011. Say it salaam, Walter Williams is an uncle tom. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Jun 5 20:48:49 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Jun 5 20:46:04 2011. he is clueless |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Jun 5 20:49:35 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Jun 5 09:29:12 2011. nope ! |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 00:03:44 2011, in response to Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 02:20:59 2011. On right now. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 00:09:27 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 00:03:44 2011. Thanks, I'm watching it. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 00:10:56 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 5 11:21:09 2011. I don't know what they mean by "fraudulent education," sounds like those right-wingers who think public schools are"indoctrination centers" (actually they are, but that is not a bad thing). I just heard him say it and what it sounded like he meant was an inferior education. Such as kids graduating yet reading at a very low grade level or without basic math skills. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 00:13:32 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Jun 5 02:39:26 2011. He's making a lot of sense imo. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jun 6 00:21:30 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 00:10:56 2011. Such as kids graduating yet reading at a very low grade level or without basic math skills.The alternative is to fail those students and not grant them diplomas, but some would say that's wrong and "racist" as it would disproportionately affect non-Asian minorities the most... |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 00:23:38 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jun 6 00:21:30 2011. What are you talking about? They just closed a lot of schools in New York because kids weren't passing their classes or their tests, and no one really complained. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 00:26:12 2011, in response to Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 02:20:59 2011. The bald dude is making a lot of sense. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jun 6 00:27:32 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 00:23:38 2011. They just closed a lot of schools in New York because kids weren't passing their classes or their tests, and no one really complained.It's one thing to close down schools (and replace them with new schools) and move the students to alternative schools, but it's another to stop watering down the curriculum and impose higher standards that may create a higher failure rate that's especially disproportionately heavier on black and Hispanic students. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 00:29:20 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 5 20:10:47 2011. In NYC I still see both. Younger people operate the registers, and older Hispanics work the grills. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 00:29:49 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 00:29:20 2011. In fast food establishments that is, although sometimes you'll also see younger cooks too. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 00:34:06 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jun 6 00:27:32 2011. Interesting, did you read about JayMan's idea of giving blacks and hispanics a completely different curriculum from whites and asians that would supposedly better suit each groups needs? |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 00:36:45 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 00:29:20 2011. In fast food restaurants in the urban parts of LA you essentially had to speak Spanish to work there until just a couple of years ago. Black kids looking for work reported being told that they couldn't be hired because they wouldn't be able to communicate with the mostly native Spanish-speaking workers. The few Americans that worked there were all Hispanic and bilingual. Sometimes I would order and have no idea what the person taking my order was saying back to me and I feel like I'm very good at understanding people with accents. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 00:39:48 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 00:34:06 2011. That's an interesting idea. My first reaction is that all students need a curriculum that prepares them for the real world and the real world is not black or Hispanic oriented. On the other hand, I've heard that blacks did better in segregated schools than in integrated schools. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 6 00:41:46 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 19:58:29 2011. Some indoctrination is useful. Teaching people to love their country and stuff. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 00:43:50 2011, in response to Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 02:20:59 2011. Charles Rangel also raised some good points. I hadn't realized that Stossel actually believed that black mothers regularly kick out black fathers to get more money from the government. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jun 6 00:45:38 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 00:34:06 2011. did you read about JayMan's idea of giving blacks and hispanics a completely different curriculum from whites and asians that would supposedly better suit each groups needs?It's not so much that you'd have to give every black (or Hispanic) student a different curriculum, but that it would have be done on an IQ normed basis regardless of race. In other words, what a child learns shouldn't be dependent on his or her race, but on his or her IQ. It's rather foolish to think that high IQ black students would learn the same material as low IQ black students, and the same could be said their white counterparts. Mind you, the pool of high IQ black children is smaller, but then that's due to the low *average* IQ of black people*, not some inherent force of racism. *My personal theory is that the lack of winter in African climates never provided the same sorting effect that it does in Asian and European contexts. If you're smart enough to store food for winter, you're smart enough survive it. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jun 6 00:47:16 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 00:39:48 2011. I've heard that blacks did better in segregated schoolsExcept that we have de facto segregated schools in many places and the students are not magically doing any better. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 00:47:30 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 00:43:50 2011. I didn't agree with Rangel, but I only heard bits as I'm watching Netflix. I heard Stossel and Williams talk earlier about welfare and black mothers and Williams made the point that with welfare the government is assuming the role of the father in the black family (I assume that he means the breadwinner) and that black mothers choose the government instead of the father. They posted a stat that in 1949 only 19% of black babies were born out of wedlock and in 2008 it's 72%. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 00:48:49 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jun 6 00:45:38 2011. Some people do suggest that black students learn differently than white students regardless of IQ. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 00:49:16 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jun 6 00:47:16 2011. That's true. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jun 6 00:51:15 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 00:47:30 2011. that black mothers choose the government instead of the fatherTo a certain extent, the problem with the American social welfare state is that it basically granted services to a limited client base, single mothers without employment or very low income. This creates a relatively perverse incentive in which poor married couples get nothing as it's presumed that the husband didn't work hard enough or that the wife should go and find work. Thus, we get a situation where women do disavow the existence of the fathers of the children in order to secure cheap or free housing, "money for nothing", and healthcare. The obvious solution is to simply provide the same resources to married couples in order to prevent family breakups. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jun 6 00:53:42 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 00:48:49 2011. Some people do suggest that black students learn differently than white students regardless of IQ.Even as an HBD follower, I'm a bit more hesitant to jump to that conclusion without more evidence. I suspect some of it is simply claptrap to justify half-assed spending in some school districts and for others, a reason to justify segregated schools. |
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Posted by B68 slow poke on Mon Jun 6 00:54:51 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 00:39:48 2011. the real world> We need more plumbers and air condition techs and auto mechs & building contrators! And other trades! |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 00:55:01 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 00:36:45 2011. Do black service workers also have somewhat of a bad reputation in L.A.? I hadn't really though of this, but I recently saw someone say that a lot of black service workers (specifically the female workers) often have bad attitudes towards the people they serve on some other message board, and a lot of people agreed. Maybe it's because I have lower expectations when it comes to customer service, but I didn't really agree. |
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Posted by B68 slow poke on Mon Jun 6 00:59:23 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 00:55:01 2011. ????...bad attitudes??? Los Angeles??? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 01:00:27 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jun 6 00:45:38 2011. You're right, I think JayMan's idea centered more about segregating students based on IQ, although more blacks would be in the lower IQ category.*My personal theory is that the lack of winter in African climates never provided the same sorting effect that it does in Asian and European contexts. If you're smart enough to store food for winter, you're smart enough survive it. My theory is similar, in that Whites and Asians spent a lot of their time in caves and wasted most of that time learning through experiment. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 01:02:26 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 00:47:30 2011. It could also just be that the father and mother wouldn't be happy living with each other. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 01:04:21 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by B68 slow poke on Mon Jun 6 00:59:23 2011. Inside jokes suck sometimes. I've never been to LA. |
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Posted by B68 slow poke on Mon Jun 6 01:04:32 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 01:00:27 2011. www.coasttocoastam.com....Monday-friday...EST at 0100 hours. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 01:05:15 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 00:55:01 2011. Illegal or not, the Hispanic immigrants that come here are hard workers. I don't think that many Americans, of any race, are willing to work as hard as they do and certainly not for as little money. But I can't say that I have had many bad experiences with black female workers. Most of the rude people that I deal with are of another race. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 01:06:02 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 01:04:21 2011. Here's what you asked about |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 01:07:15 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 01:02:26 2011. Could be, but it's going to be tougher for the kid. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jun 6 01:08:15 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 00:55:01 2011. but I recently saw someone say that a lot of black service workers (specifically the female workers) often have bad attitudes towards the people they serve on some other message board, and a lot of people agreedFrom what I've read, if employers have a choice, they technically prefer white people, but if that can't be found, immigrants of both the illegal and legal variety are preferable. Native born blacks seem to be a bit of an unwanted class as allegedly, they demand more money than the immigrants, but don't provide enough to warrant their higher income demands. Then there's always fears that said employee is more likely to steal, especially for employers that have employed blacks in the past that have done that. As an example, for a small business that has employed say, several black employees that have come late often, stolen from the job, or provided terrible customer service, they will be less likely in the future to employ blacks. So for firms looking for labour, they will employ blacks, but in some cases, only if there is no other alternative. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 01:08:42 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 5 11:21:09 2011. you think that schools are left-wing indoctrination centers? |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jun 6 01:09:03 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 01:02:26 2011. It could also just be that the father and mother wouldn't be happy living with each other.So why were they engaging in unprotected sex with each other? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 01:13:03 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jun 6 00:47:16 2011. That's bullshit. We don't have segregated schools. Stop blaming your problems on others. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 01:16:39 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 01:13:03 2011. Not official segregation, but de facto segregation. |
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