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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 4 07:55:16 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by Fred G on Fri Mar 4 07:04:31 2011. If it weren't for white liberals there'd be no Civil Rights Act.False. Republicans had a part too. This is a common partisan Democrat statement that is false. http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/12/13/194350.shtml |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Mar 4 08:03:43 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 4 07:55:16 2011. Civil rights are a liberal concept. I didn't mention parties, because it was more a northern/southern split than a Democratic/Republcan one.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 4 08:16:05 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 04:53:27 2011. has bars with mostly white drunks violently stumbling out of them at nightStumbling out of them drunk perhaps, but "violently"? |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Mar 4 08:16:52 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 4 08:16:05 2011. They must be projectile vomiting too.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 4 08:16:58 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 04:48:57 2011. made it even more violent by creating subgenres to it like metal.Metal is violent? |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Mar 4 08:18:57 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 3 16:40:59 2011. It's not about skin color.Did you read my post? It's about the hip-hop culture. It's violent. Very violent. Very aggressive. It is all those things. But the culture is a reflection of the people who embrace it (culture and genetics go hand-in-hand). Are white people that embrace hip-hop culture (the true "wiggers") as violent as blacks that embrace hip-hop? My assertion is that "hip-hop" is a sub-in for "low-IQ blacks" -- which unfortunately is most. You and Osmosis have to spin it to be about race because history is on your side, so it's the best ammo you have to win an argument that is about something totally different. Hmmm, if you read my post, you'd know that while I did declare their behavior to be racist (or perhaps, more accurately, racism inadvertently stemming from elitism), I also said that it might be justified. |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Mar 4 08:23:53 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 4 07:48:12 2011. Walmart is patroned by a larger share of poor people, because quite simply, it's cheap, so regardless of where it is, the average IQ of people who shop there (emphasis on the average, because I shop at Walmart) is going to be lower than those who shop at Macy's or Bloomingdale's or Whole Foods. |
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Posted by JayMan on Fri Mar 4 08:24:35 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 4 08:16:58 2011. Ever heard of "death" metal? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 4 08:26:26 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by JayMan on Fri Mar 4 08:23:53 2011. Absolutely. My statement was against the poor "people of color" statement. There's plenty of low class whites in there too. Probably more so in my experience. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 4 08:29:09 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by JayMan on Fri Mar 4 08:24:35 2011. ??? Violent?Death Metal is a sound, distorted guitars, grunts and snarls instead of vocals, and the like, and gory lyrics. But "violent". You hear about all these shootings and attacks outside Death metal clubs? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 4 08:29:21 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by JayMan on Fri Mar 4 08:24:35 2011. ??? Violent?Death Metal is a sound, distorted guitars, grunts and snarls instead of vocals, and the like, and gory lyrics. But "violent"? You hear about all these shootings and attacks outside Death metal clubs? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 4 09:35:53 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by JayMan on Fri Mar 4 08:24:35 2011. Yes, I've heard of "death metal". You're reaching now. And these brownstone owners would not want that shit around neither.But look at hip-hop. P. Diddy. Young Jeezy. Fitty. So many prominent names in that genre have been involved major incidents involving weapons. Look at this shit that happened recently. I don't blame normal honest people for worrying about hip hop coming to the neighborhood. Story Here |
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Posted by TonyG on Fri Mar 4 10:22:06 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by Fred G on Fri Mar 4 08:16:52 2011. ROFL! |
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Posted by TonyG on Fri Mar 4 10:26:14 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 4 08:26:26 2011. And the number of low class whites is growing by the second due to our unsustainable income disparity propagated, in part, by the GOP. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Mar 4 14:50:29 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by Fred G on Fri Mar 4 06:42:29 2011. I was gonna say, I find it hard to believe that New Haven CT is the bastion of progressive grassroots rock n roll music. I say it's NYC.Yeah, indeed it is. A lot of the bands and performers you see in New Haven, already have played in Brooklyn or Lower Manhattan or will eventually. Unlike past generations, the kids today listen to greater varieties. You can go to somewhere like Brooklyn Bowl and have a lineup of a progressive rock band, a hip-hop artist, some retro New Wave-fusion band and some weird avante-garde performer all in one night and they can still have common or overlapping fanbases. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Mar 4 14:55:15 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 2 10:09:25 2011. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 15:04:35 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 4 09:35:53 2011. But look at hip-hop. P. Diddy. Young Jeezy. Fitty. So many prominent names in that genre have been involved major incidents involving weapons.I like how you left out Eminem. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 15:05:05 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 4 08:29:09 2011. Death Metal concerts are much more violent than Rap concerts. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 15:16:32 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by Fred G on Fri Mar 4 07:04:31 2011. You're equating a buncha drunks stumbling (violently?) to real violent behavior that's been exhibited at hip hop clubs.All clubs have violent behavior is my point, if a death metal club were opening in the same location, or even a Juggalo/Insane Clown Posse club were opening in the same location, there would be no outrage. Your also buying into Chris' propaganda that racism is somehow better if practiced out in the open. I'd say everyone is racist to a degree but to make bigoted generic statements like that is ridiculous. If it weren't for white liberals there'd be no Civil Rights Act. It is, as a black man I'll respect a neighborhood like Howard Beach or Bensonhurst where they'll straight up tell me not to move to their neighborhood, than a neighborhood like Park Slope where'll they'll scheme behind my back. Third, you're wallowing in the pity pool over racism in this thread anyway as you've not shown any evidence of racism, no evidence of the majority in the neighborhood being against this club and no evidence of the neighborhoods social makeup other than hearsay. I've provided way more proof than "I'm sure you're not right" opinions you tried to counter the facts I provided you with. You can simply look at Wikipedia or even visit Park Slope to know that it's a mostly white neighborhood, why are you still denying that? I have no idea if the majority of the neighborhood is against it, but that minority is sure as hell being very vocal about it in a way I don't like. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 15:17:43 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 4 08:16:58 2011. Metal is violent?Little Richard didn't encourage mosh pits or bite off a bat's head at his concerts. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 4 15:17:50 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 15:05:05 2011. Death Metal is a sub-genre to rock, like Gangsta Rap is to Hip-hop or rap. I think you understand this, but you are desperate and live in a world of self-pity and victimhood.A better comparison is modern rock or heavy metal to rap or hip-hop. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 15:19:51 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 15:17:43 2011. Ask your boy Bob Dylan he'll tell you. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 4 15:20:43 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 15:17:43 2011. Mosh pits are definitely for a violent natured bunch. That does not mean that today's violent trigger happy hip-hop crowd should be ignored. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 4 15:21:59 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 15:04:35 2011. What incident was Eminem in?I know he encourages pot smoking. I don't know about him being in a shooting or shot at. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 15:24:08 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 4 15:17:50 2011. Death Metal is a sub-genre to rockDeath Metal arguably encourages violence just as much as some Hip hop, but doesn't receive as much criticism. Gangsta Rap is to Hip-hop or rap If there are punk & metal clubs in the "heart" Park Slope then a Hip hop club should be allowed at the border of Park Slope. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 15:27:27 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 4 15:20:43 2011. That does not mean that today's violent trigger happy hip-hop crowd should be ignored.I want to see how much you know about Hip hop, do you think that Jay-Z fans are violent after one of his concerts? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 15:28:53 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 4 15:21:59 2011. There was an incident years ago when Eminem & Suge Knight were about to get into an altercation at a music video shoot. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 4 15:31:21 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 15:24:08 2011. Death Metal is a sub-genre. It's analogous to gangsta rap, not mainstream rap or hip-hop. I know you understand this, but you're a militant, so you just lie.I can think of a few rappers who have been killed and many many more who have been involved in shootings, all traceable to the violent trigger happy world of hip-hop and perceived disses and keeping it real. BIG and Tupac are the most obvious example. There are always shooting surrounding the hip hop world. When Disturbed and Papa Roach get into a shootout because one dissed the other in lyrics or a diss at a night club, we'll talk. Face it, the residents fears are well founded. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 4 15:36:54 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 15:27:27 2011. "Empire State of mind" could send the crowd into a frenzy. j/k.He's kind of top-40 dance now. I think the residents are worried about the trigger happy types who are looking to establish cred and could snap at the slightest perceived diss. Face it, lead flies in the hip-hop industry. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 4 15:38:03 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 15:28:53 2011. Suge KnightExactly. Suge Knight. Great way to defend the hip-hop industry. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 15:55:01 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 4 15:31:21 2011. I can think of a few rappers who have been killed and many many more who have been involved in shootings, all traceable to the violent trigger happy world of hip-hop and perceived disses and keeping it real. BIG and Tupac are the most obvious example.First of all, no you can't. 2nd of all, no one knows who killed Biggie & Tupac, and therefore why Biggie & Tupac were killed. There are always shooting surrounding the hip hop world. When Disturbed and Papa Roach get into a shootout because one dissed the other in lyrics or a diss at a night club, we'll talk. Arguments, sometimes leading to violent fights, happen in all kinds of clubs, don't single out Hip hop. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 4 16:03:59 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 15:55:01 2011. Tupac and Biggie are glaring examples of the dangers of being in the hip-hop industry. And those are just two well known cases. There are at least a dozen others who are not well-known.Then there are the shootings where the victims survive. I remember when MTV went to Miami for the awards around 04 and 05 and I knew there would be a shooting involving a hip-hop figure and I was right. Still wanna pretend that 2pac and BIGGIE's murders and nothing to do with hip-hop's violent trigger happy culture? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Mar 4 16:06:11 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 15:55:01 2011. They who were there know who killed biggie&tupac,its the old ghetto mentality of don`t tell,it turns my stomach. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Mar 4 16:18:59 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 4 16:03:59 2011. Tupac and Biggie was 15 years ago. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Mar 4 16:20:45 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by tunnelrat on Fri Mar 4 16:06:11 2011. It's not a ghetto mentality. It's a criminal one. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 4 16:30:11 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by SMAZ on Fri Mar 4 16:18:59 2011. So what? Bullets are still flying in the world of hip-hop. It's just as dangerous today as it was 15 years ago. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 16:34:39 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by JayMan on Thu Mar 3 12:07:03 2011. BTW, that reasoning still sounds racist to me. If I lived in Brownsville, and some white people wanted to open up a coffee shop, but I protested because whites are higher I.Q. and snobbier as a result, then people would have a fit. Also, who the hell are they to judge my individual character based on the fact that I didn't go to college, or that I graduated later than the government says I'm supposed to. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 16:35:35 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by tunnelrat on Fri Mar 4 16:06:11 2011. That's the police's fault, they need to do a better job at protecting informants. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 16:38:59 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 4 16:03:59 2011. Tupac and Biggie are glaring examples of the dangers of being in the hip-hop industry. And those are just two well known cases. There are at least a dozen others who are not well-known.Not at all, I've been listening to Hip hop for about 15 years & counting, and I can only name two mainstream rappers who were killed because of a feud. Big L, who was killed because the killer had a feud with his brother, and confused Big L for his brother, and Scott La Rock, who was killed for trying to peacefully resolve a feud. Before you bring up Jam Master Jay, no one knows why he was killed either. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 16:41:47 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 4 15:38:03 2011. Yes, I'll admit that Suge Knight is one figure that gives the hip hop world a bad name. You also need to realize that a lot of rappers really don't live the lives they rap about anymore, you think that Jay-Z still lives in Marcy? 50 Cent even admitted that he likes to instigate meaningless feuds with other rappers to boost his sales. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 4 16:45:02 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 16:38:59 2011. Before you bring up Jam Master Jay, no one knows why he was killed either.LOL. Of course! It had nothing to do with the violent trigger happy hip-hop culture. And these are just the dead. We're not counting the numerous shootings where no one dies. Too numerous to count. Waka Flocka was shot at last week. It's the norm in hip-hop culture. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 4 16:53:11 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 16:41:47 2011. Suge Knight is more than "one figure". He's a prominent figure. I don't think that Fitty(who by the way, was shot of course, and other rappers mock that incident, like Judakiss) lives the life, but he could care less if young blacks are influenced by his "feuds".And you just hit the nail on the head. If you want to be in the world of hip-hop, you pretty much have to have a feud(as you point out, Fitty does it to boost sales and perpetuate the black stereotype), for cred. And these feuds usually involve violent lyrics directed at an enemy, with the real threat of a shooting always being possible at any moment. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Mar 4 17:59:03 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 16:35:35 2011. ???????? the cops fault?how about the scumbags that pull the trigger& the scumbag eyeball witnesses that refuse to get involved under any circumstances.not that long ago the 2 biggest selling t-shirts in the ghetto were "warn a brother"& don`t snitch.cops will protect if asked.but you know just as well as I do it will always be "us&them" |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 4 18:42:31 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by TonyG on Fri Mar 4 10:26:14 2011. Please. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 4 18:44:28 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 4 15:31:21 2011. Very true. I like rock and Heavy Metal, but I HATE Death Metal, it's awful. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 4 19:32:58 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 4 18:44:28 2011. Death Metal is a subculture. It's not even comparable to hip-hop. It's closer to gangsta rap in terms of niche music.Jayman brought it up in desperation to make his case. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Mar 4 19:37:30 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 4 19:32:58 2011. Death Metal is a subculture.Who the hell in the under-30 crowd listens to death metal? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 4 19:39:51 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 4 18:42:31 2011. Yes, you are asking for the GOP to fuck America. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 4 19:41:23 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 4 07:55:16 2011. Those Republicans were from way back when the South was SOLIDLY Democrats, before the Democratic party rightly told them to go fuck themselves and the South became Republican. Unfortunately the new conservative Republicans pushed out the rational Republicans. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 4 19:54:16 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by SMAZ on Fri Mar 4 19:37:30 2011. Why "death metal hipsters" of course. :) |
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