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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 7 23:10:44 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Feb 7 23:07:34 2011. Imagine my (complete lack of) surprise. Howard Beach has always been like that. The disgusting behavior of its residents is a reminder that there are still places the 1950s never ended. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 7 23:13:09 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Feb 7 23:08:26 2011. I was asked to speak at Houston Splash this year. Still thinking carefully about it. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Feb 7 23:16:16 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 7 22:41:33 2011. I imagine that the number of places that you can go and feel completely comfortable being who you are is probably a short list. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 7 23:17:34 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Feb 7 23:07:34 2011. That's not Howard Beach. That's the area south of Howard Beach that Spider-Pig mentioned. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Feb 7 23:18:10 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 7 23:13:09 2011. Houston isn't as bad as Dallas. And Dallas ain't as bad as Lubbock. Be governed accordingly. :) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 7 23:22:20 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Feb 7 22:52:43 2011. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 7 23:23:12 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Feb 7 22:52:43 2011. Oh please. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 7 23:26:48 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by Easy on Mon Feb 7 23:16:16 2011. Here is an experiment you can try, regardless of where you live. You have to be prepared to suffer some life changes if you do it, though. Weather permitting, put on a gay pride T-shirt, and wear it into the business district of your town. I guarantee you will encounter hard looks, possibly worse, from some people--and you may lose a few friends if they see you, too. This little social experiment is not for the faint of heart.I had a good (straight) friend of mine, who is 6'4, 265 lbs. of solid, mop-up-the-floors-with-you muscle try this--at his wager! He didn't make it very far in his town (Hicksville) before he became so uncomfortable with the looks he got (yes, we hit the Broadway Mall), he had to go back to the car to change. He said later he really got an education, because he didn't believe me when I used to tell him how much shit we gays take from the world at large. In one store, a woman's face screwed up in total disgust at my friend's T-shirt, which read, simply, "NYC Gay Pride 2009" over a rainbow flag. Walking a mile in someone else's shoes can be broadening. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 7 23:29:19 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Feb 7 23:18:10 2011. I hear tell Brownsville is even worse than Lubbock, at that...LOL! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 7 23:34:44 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 7 23:10:44 2011. sounds like a typical dispute between neighbors. i can tell dozens of similar stories. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 7 23:35:47 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 7 23:17:34 2011. Correct. The house in question is located at 152 Broadway in somewhat rundown Ramblersville. Check it out on Forgotten, NY sometime. No Google Street View, but the street looks highly unimproved from the air. Probably no sewers either.This is the Howard Beach most people think of: View Larger Map |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Feb 7 23:37:11 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 7 23:17:34 2011. That's all semantics, it's still Howard Beach proper. Hamilton Beach is a subsection of Howard Beach, just as Stuyvesant Heights is subsection of Bed-Stuy. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Feb 7 23:38:32 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 7 23:34:44 2011. I'd like to hear one involving death threats, the word nigger and bats. I wanna be entertained tonight. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Feb 7 23:40:06 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 7 23:35:47 2011. Ramblersville=Howard Beach. That distinction carries as much weight as CanDo or any of it's ilk. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 7 23:40:07 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Feb 7 23:37:11 2011. Lumping Rockwood Park in with Hamilton Beach is like lumping in Yorkville with East Harlem. They're both on the East side aren't they? |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Feb 7 23:44:12 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 7 23:40:07 2011. Like most Queens neighborhoods, Howard Beach is composed of several smaller neighborhoods — Howard Beach, Old Howard Beach, Hamilton Beach, Ramblersville, Rockwood Park, Lindenwood, and Howard Park.If Wikipedia doesn't pass your litmus test, here's a map from the Department of City Planning. Again, all semantics invented by brokers. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Feb 7 23:45:06 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 7 23:26:48 2011. Yeah, that's not really something that I would be interested in but point taken. I believe that it's tough. And I think that black male gays have it the worst by far. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 7 23:45:11 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Feb 7 23:37:11 2011. Howard Beach is where the Italians live in nice homes.As for the neighbor dispute, that shit has been going on for years. Still does. My friend who is white almost had a fist fight with his neighbor a few weeks ago. My friends mom was picked up by a cab and the cab made a turn into a neighbors driveway to turn around instead of driving around the block. Driveway was still damp from a painting. Neighbor said something to my friend and that's all it took for an argument. I have relatives who wanted to rent from Germans on Wycoff Ave. They had to get a German friend to vouch for them that they were good Italians and could be trusted not to ruin the apartment and pay the rent. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 7 23:45:49 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 7 23:40:07 2011. I beg to differ. Both Rockwood Park and Hamilton Beach are considered part of Howard Beach. Rockwood Park runs from 79th to 92nd Street west of Crossbay Blvd., between 156th and 164th Avenues. According to the FDNY CAD Street Register (which I just consulted), this falls within Engine 331's coverage area, which is listed as Howard Beach and Broad Channel. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Feb 7 23:48:57 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 7 23:45:11 2011. I get it. Neighbors sometimes have problems. I have problems with mine occasionally.As for the German thing, point taken. I am aware that cultural/racial problems are not limited to any one group. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Feb 7 23:49:54 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 7 23:45:49 2011. Thank you. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 7 23:51:21 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Feb 7 23:48:57 2011. Yes. Neighbors always have problems. When they are of different races or ethnic groups, it's that much worse when things get heated. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 7 23:52:06 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by Easy on Mon Feb 7 23:45:06 2011. You are one hundred percent correct. Black gay males endure some of the most heartless abuse I've seen in this life, my own included. The black church, the black family, and the mores of the black community perpetuated by these create an environment that is highly toxic and sometimes fatal to black gay men.I've worked with cops, EMT's and firefifghers for 20 years. I can say without reservation that none of them are as brave as a very close friend of mine, a feminine black gay man. If he weighs 120 lbs. soaking wet, that's saying something. Yet, he goes out every day, living as he IS, completely incapable of defending himself, knowing full well someone might just kill him for being who he IS. That's courage. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Feb 7 23:53:09 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 7 23:51:21 2011. I've never had a problem with any of my neighbors. They've all been quiet and considerate. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Feb 7 23:53:19 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 7 23:52:06 2011. Second Amendment. It's not the greatest of options, but it's better than the status quo. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 7 23:53:38 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 7 23:45:49 2011. Hamilton Beach has their own volunteer fire department.There is no reason for you to be afraid of Howard Beach. I always liked taking my cousins dogs to Hamilton Beach, but I do find the whites there to be confrontational towards any strangers. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 7 23:54:04 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 7 23:45:49 2011. Who cares? Maybe we should say that the whole borough of Queens or maybe the whole City is racist because of some people who act like assholes and live in clamming shacks. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 7 23:55:59 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by Easy on Mon Feb 7 23:53:09 2011. Well in Queens working class neighborhoods, there are always stupid stories like this.Just last week I was in Woodhaven, and someone spray painted lines to define parking spaces. I guess someone got tired of people taking two spots, lost his temper and painted parking space boundaries. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 7 23:56:25 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Feb 7 23:53:19 2011. Unfortunately NY is a may issue state. While some counties have authorities which are shall issue in practice, NYC is no issue in practice unless you're well-connected. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 7 23:57:34 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 7 23:55:59 2011. With idiots like that, you can't ignore the lines or they'll smash up your car. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 7 23:58:03 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 7 23:53:38 2011. West Hamilton Beach has their own volunteer fire department. Their firehouse is across the street from the IND subway tracks, and their department operates one engine, a stump jumper, and an ambulance. However, E331 is still first due in West Hamilton Beach, which the city (and the MTA, BTW) carry on the books as Howard Beach.If the residents of this area are "confrontational towards strangers", why on earth would I want to go there? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 7 23:59:39 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Feb 7 23:38:32 2011. No one was hit with a baseball bat. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 8 00:01:50 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 7 23:58:03 2011. I go there all the time when in NYC to take the dogs for a run. And it's directly under the takeoff for runway 13. This way I get to take the dogs for their exercise while identifying each plane that takes off and look for any possible problems. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 8 00:02:11 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 7 23:58:03 2011. I go there all the time when in NYC to take the dogs for a run. And it's directly under the takeoff for runway 13. This way I get to take the dogs for their exercise while identifying each plane that takes off and look for any possible problems.Why go there? You're an activist! You're supposed to confront, not back down. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 8 00:03:11 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 7 23:29:19 2011. "All things considered, I'd rather be in Philadelphia." :) |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Tue Feb 8 00:03:46 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 7 23:59:39 2011. It doesn't have to be all three. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Feb 8 00:04:51 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 8 00:02:11 2011. There is activism and then there is idiocy. Going alone to a known hostile area of the city to "confront" people is a one-way ticket to the ER or morgue. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 8 00:09:33 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 8 00:02:11 2011. I love much of the city's waterfront areas. It's a really cool place for a city. Many coastal cities are a straight line or a bend, but we've got an archipelago. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 8 00:11:09 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 7 23:57:34 2011. Good thought. If someone's car gets keyed for flat tires or worse, as you say, smashed up, I guess the person who spray painted the lines will be a suspect. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Feb 8 00:11:48 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 7 23:55:59 2011. So it's never about race? None of the residents are racist or worried about black people moving into the neighborhood? |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Feb 8 00:13:39 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by Easy on Mon Feb 7 21:12:15 2011. That platform has 1950s written all over it. I don't believe there is anything fantastic about it at all. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Feb 8 00:13:50 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 8 00:11:09 2011. Of course. I would assume that they did it without question.Has your car ever been keyed or broken into? |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Feb 8 00:14:28 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by BMTLines on Mon Feb 7 20:36:55 2011. I'd support that party in a second. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Feb 8 00:14:37 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Feb 8 00:13:39 2011. It's fantastic that they give you a clear choice, not that I agree with it. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Feb 8 00:15:11 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by Easy on Tue Feb 8 00:14:37 2011. A clear choice between an era that was a stain on American society and not. That's hardly a choice at all. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Feb 8 00:16:38 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by JayMan on Mon Feb 7 23:07:03 2011. It's not just a Texas thing. It's a nationwide GOP trend to try to "limit the power of the federal government on state issues." |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 8 00:17:07 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Feb 8 00:15:11 2011. He's saying that it's fantastic that they're admitting that's what their platform is about, instead of using code like "family values." |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 8 00:18:07 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 7 23:57:34 2011. Good thought. If someone's car gets keyed for flat tires or worse, as you say, smashed up, I guess the person who spray painted the lines will be a suspect. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Feb 8 00:18:33 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 8 00:17:07 2011. So now it's fantastic that we have codified hate. Lovely. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Feb 8 00:19:03 2011, in response to Re: Texas GOP platform: criminalize gay marriage and ban sodomy, outlaw strip clubs and pornography, posted by BMTLines on Mon Feb 7 20:36:55 2011. But they're somewhat incompatible. Republican economics is for government to get out of the way of business and Democratic social policies include requiring that businesses participate (affirmative action, set asides, etc.) |
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