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Posted by BMT Guy on Mon Aug 25 22:13:23 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Aug 25 19:07:18 2008. Sorry, Jeff, now I KNOW you're in fantasy land...'Cheney is a great VP'(?) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Aug 25 22:16:00 2008, in response to Betsy Head Park/Pool (was: What if Barack Loses in November?), posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 25 19:07:57 2008. That area and the area around it desperately needs some TLC. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 25 22:19:53 2008, in response to Re: Betsy Head Park/Pool (was: What if Barack Loses in November?), posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Aug 25 22:16:00 2008. I suppose so. I'm remembering from over 50 years ago. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 25 22:22:12 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by BMT Guy on Mon Aug 25 22:13:23 2008. On some level,Cheney was a great VP. I think he was more involved in foreign policy planning more than was publicly acknowledged. Too bad the president didn't have any economic advisors. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Aug 25 22:35:44 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 25 22:22:12 2008. I think he was more involved in foreign policy planning more than was publicly acknowledged.Considering that Bush didn't even know the name of the Prime Minister of Pakistan when he was running for office I'd say that's a good bet. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 25 22:36:35 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by Easy on Mon Aug 25 22:35:44 2008. When are you going to grow up and act like a man? |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Aug 25 22:39:26 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 25 22:36:35 2008. 51 seconds. Not bad... |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Aug 25 22:42:19 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 25 22:22:12 2008. And the Congress at the time had no clue on how to rein in practices that have caused economic problems that exist now...and more banks are going to fail. Whoo hoo! |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 25 23:15:38 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Aug 25 19:58:52 2008. Then why did the WTC fall SO EASILY..all the way down to the BOTTOM FLOOR.... Even a PA car got squashed... |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 25 23:20:13 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 21:21:19 2008. Really???? What exactly were the "explosive objects"? That is such a simple, yet IGNORANT thing to say...just like that BS 9/11 report which had no answers...Oh, wait a minute, maybe it isn't your fault...maybe you collect your farts into high pressure containers...and these containers can be explosive objects...just doubt there were many people holding those at the WTC... |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 25 23:21:06 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 25 13:45:50 2008. What crap did I mix in? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 23:31:22 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 25 23:20:13 2008. you're a fcking idiot. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 25 23:43:01 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 25 20:05:07 2008. What about you??? Hoax this, Hoax that...EU this, EU that...Commies this, Commies that... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 25 23:46:13 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 25 23:43:01 2008. No, that's not me, that's the press.So why are you defending the EU and commies, on the other hand? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 25 23:54:17 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 25 23:46:13 2008. So you repeat the press?I don't defend them, I am just saying you have your own "Olog quirks" and every person here has their own quirks, and that is a part of personality... You cannot only have affinity for your OWN ways...if people are doing something somewhere that you wouldn't so, that doesn't mean they have something against you or want to attack you...That is a part of CULTURE... Extremism, is something else, however, and extremists generaly only LOVE *THEIR* ways, and will KILL others that disagree with their ways...that isn't culture..Just like there is a difference between patriotism and nationalism... What I am saying is, you shouldn't laugh at someone, or worse, DENOUNCE someone for having an uncircumcised penis... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 26 00:19:47 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 25 23:54:17 2008. So you repeat the press?All the time. Every darn thread I start about the EU has a news article in the first page. Shamefully, the press (for the most part) is silent about communism. But that hasn't gone away; it's gotten stronger, in fact. What I am saying is, you shouldn't laugh at someone, or worse, DENOUNCE someone for having an uncircumcised penis Now . . . what drove you to say that??  |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 26 01:39:31 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by R33/R36 Mainline on Mon Aug 25 21:31:02 2008. If the World Trade Center was destroyed by the government, you'd be dead. Do you really think that a government that would be willing to kill nearly 3000 people for whatever objective would have any qualms about killing the 9/11 conspiracy idiots? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Aug 26 06:07:15 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by Easy on Mon Aug 25 20:34:23 2008. I actually enjoyed my several trips on the Blue Line in LA last year...I was bemused by the automated announcements in English and Spanish (why don't the NTT's do that here?). I thought the riders were much quieter and more civil than the characters I see every day on NYCT. It does occur to me that the perceived "danger" associated with a location, transit line, neighborhood, etc., is proportional to the demographics of its residents, ridership, etc., but is not always borne out by the statistics.It's also highly subjective...perhaps my dark skin helped me blend in on the Blue Line and made me less noticeable, whereas I would be very uncomfortable if my car broke down on Cross Bay Blvd. in Howard Beach at night...so I am not immune to this kind of fear myself. But old impressions die hard, and I suspect this is where people's fears sometimes originate... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 07:20:32 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by R33/R36 Mainline on Mon Aug 25 21:31:02 2008. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 07:36:45 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 25 23:43:01 2008. His ideas aren't scandalous. That Bush blew up the WTC, that's conspiracy theory. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Aug 26 07:43:28 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 07:36:45 2008. I don't think the government blew up the WTC. But I'm still not satisified with the reasons given as to why none of the planes were blown from the sky. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 07:46:29 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Aug 26 06:07:15 2008. I rode the Blue line and had no problem in the neighborhoods it goes through.And no, the last thing we need is announcements at every station in NYCT in Spanish and Enlish. I'm glad they got rid of all the "Don't lean on the doors" "No se apoye contra la puerta" from the doors that were there in the 80's and 90's. I thought the riders were much quieter and more civil than the characters I see every day on NYCT. That's laughable. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 07:54:38 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Aug 26 07:43:28 2008. You try and shoot down a loaded passenger plane from the sky when people have no idea what is going on. Hindisght is 20/20. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 07:58:07 2008, in response to Re: Betsy Head Park/Pool (was: What if Barack Loses in November?), posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Aug 25 22:16:00 2008. Yeahm, that's still a pretty crumby area. Unlike so many places in the city like Bushwick, Bedford-Stuyvesant, and even East New York which have been coming back, Brownsville is still pretty run down. Don't get me wrong, it's better than it was 10 or 20 years ago, but still hasn't been improving as fast as Bushwick, Bed-Stuy, etc. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 07:59:21 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by R33/R36 Mainline on Mon Aug 25 21:11:56 2008. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAH!!!!!! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 08:00:10 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 25 21:33:54 2008. I think Berlin is one of our 57 states. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 08:00:45 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 25 23:15:38 2008. Uhhh, because of the way it was constructed. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Aug 26 08:01:53 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 07:54:38 2008. The second plane never should've hit it's target.The WTC was already attacked in 1993 by Muslime terrorists, so we knew they were going to attack again. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 09:21:02 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Aug 26 08:01:53 2008. WAY easier said than done, and again, hindsight is 20/20. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 26 09:24:22 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by R33/R36 Mainline on Mon Aug 25 21:31:02 2008. Uh...what? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 26 09:24:44 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 25 19:24:31 2008. You JUST figured that out? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 26 09:25:59 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Aug 25 19:08:25 2008. Explain how it would be a good thing...especially considering who exactly set about the dollar policy...and that Bernanke has NOT been good for this economy...the only success with the dollar has been in spite of him, not because of him. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 26 09:28:03 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 26 09:25:59 2008. Also, all of the tax cuts have NOT been good for the economy...believe it or not. Most people on both sides see this, but a few posters are unable to. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 26 09:28:46 2008, in response to Re: Betsy Head Park/Pool (was: What if Barack Loses in November?), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 07:58:07 2008. BETTER than 10 years ago? Except for the area with Powell, Sackman, et. al., south of Livonia...nope! |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 26 09:29:43 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 07:36:45 2008. That's not even a conspiracy theory...that's something that normally earns someone a spot in the rubber room with all of the other "kings of the world". |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 26 09:30:29 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by R33/R36 Mainline on Mon Aug 25 21:31:02 2008. You know how you were fooled by two people who obviously WERE NOT NYCT Line Superintendents? Do you think it's possible you're being fooled by this 9/11 conspiracy garbage? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 26 09:31:03 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Aug 26 08:01:53 2008. However, it is likely the south tower would have fallen anyway even after the north tower was hit. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 26 09:32:54 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 09:21:02 2008. However...even in hindsight, shooting down a plane over a populated area may have been thought of at the time, but dismissed because potential for harm would have been much greater, if it's possible to say. And if the plane ended up hitting Indian Point...then that's an even bigger problem. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 26 10:07:05 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 25 12:07:00 2008. However...those votes may not be needed, because Obama will still win the 19 states Kerry held, and add Colorado and one of the two between Ohio and Virginia, enough to win. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Aug 26 11:12:41 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 07:36:45 2008. His ideas aren't scandalous. That Bush blew up the WTC, that's conspiracy theory.Olog's ideas aren't scandalous? Have you noted the different activities that he has labeled as treason? He's not anywhere near as delusional as K-Car, but his opinions certainly (and fortunately) differ dramatically from those of the Supreme Court. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Aug 26 11:19:19 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 26 01:39:31 2008. Best said back during the aftermath of the French Revolution.Someone accused a leader of the revolution (I think it was Robspierre) that he treated his personal enemies as enemies of the state. Robspierre said: "That is false. And the proof is that you are still alive." |
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Posted by Parkchester (East 177th St) on Tue Aug 26 11:25:24 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 05:19:29 2008. IAWTP. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 11:46:07 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 26 09:31:03 2008. Wow..were the WTC towers THAT poorly built? Or are you just full of BS? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 12:03:06 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 11:46:07 2008. Poorly built they were not. But they weren't designed to be hit with fully loaded modern passenger jets full of jet fuel. The outside walls were the support. The floors were held up on the outside of the building, when the upper floors gave way, they floor by floor put stress on the floor beneath it, and the support gave way floor by floor, like a house of cards would fall down if you started pushing down on the top. Each floor pancaked to the one beneath it, and the floor beneath it until the whole building collapsed. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 12:05:27 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 26 09:32:54 2008. That's another thing, you can't just shoot a plane out of the sky over "Manhattan" or any other populated area. Again, people are thinking of this in hindsight, which once again, is 20/20. People didn't know 100% of what was going on at the time it was happening. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Tue Aug 26 12:12:34 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 12:05:27 2008. At the time 9/11 happened, NOONE knew exactly what was going on. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 12:22:21 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 12:03:06 2008. Too bad that description doesn't make sense for the tower whose upper part fell over...then somehow the ENTIRE building fell...strange, I say...And it seems that the WTC had a flaw in its design...the fact that it didn't have an inner frame, only an outer shell...Not good engineering, in my opinion...The Empire state building has steel frames inside, which is why terrorists wouldn't think of attacking it...because the plane would have to be scraped off of the wall... |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Aug 26 12:28:17 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 26 09:31:03 2008. However, it is likely the south tower would have fallen anyway even after the north tower was hit.???? The North Tower did not in fact fall immediately after the South Tower collapsed. If the North Tower hadn't also been engulfed in flames at the time, why do you think it wouldn't have survived, though with some damage. Conversely, if only the North Tower had been hit, why would the South Tower have been destroyed? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 12:29:07 2008, in response to Some WTC Thoughts...., posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Tue Aug 26 12:22:21 2008. then somehow the ENTIRE building fell...strange, I say...Not strange at all. The top didn't collapse off the side of the building, it gave way downwards, and then pancaked just as mentioned in both buildings. And it seems that the WTC had a flaw in its design...the fact that it didn't have an inner frame, only an outer shell... Yes, it had an inner frame too, and the floors were also connected to that, but the floors were sort of suspended between the outer and inner supports. When the upper floors began to pancake, all that weight pushed down. Yes, the WTC collapsed because of the way it was built, but that doesn't mean it was a design fault or built poorly, but no they weren't designed to be hit with modern airliners full of suel. They were even designed to be hit by stray planes, but again, accident stray planes. There was no reason to believe in the early 70's that loaded passenger jets would be flying that low and slam direct hit into the building at full speed. The Empire state building has steel frames inside, which is why terrorists wouldn't think of attacking it...because the plane would have to be scraped off of the wall... Oh, they wouldn't slam off the wall at all, they would have smashed through, but the building probably wouldn't ave collapsed. It was hit with a plane in the 1940's, but not nearly as big, and not nearly as fast, and it went into the building and through the wall. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 26 12:29:57 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by daDouce Man on Tue Aug 26 12:12:34 2008. Exactly, that's why this talk is absurd. Again, hindsight is 20/20. |
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