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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Jan 17 18:17:40 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 17 15:27:28 2024. WHAT KIND OF CAR ??AND CAN YOU RECHARGE IT |
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Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs) |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jan 17 18:22:10 2024, in response to Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by Avid Reader on Wed Jan 17 15:37:31 2024. "had pre-heaters in the cylinders"I believe they were called glow plugs. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jan 17 18:25:03 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 17 17:52:10 2024. Unfortunately popping the clutch doesn't really work any more with dead or drained batteries now that cars and motorcycles have electronic ignition. Popping the clutch only works if the battery has some juice, for instance when your starter doesn't work. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 17 18:28:04 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 17 17:52:10 2024. This is useless. If the battery is dead, you can’t move the car. It’s like starting a car without gas in the tank.I did drive for weeks with a dead 12 V battery. Newer models have more reliable 16 V lithium ion batteries for the low voltage system. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 17 18:30:25 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 17 18:17:02 2024. You most certainly can. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 17 18:45:21 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 17 18:28:04 2024. I’m stating the fact that a car with a dead battery can be push started and back on the road by popping the clutch. Just as long as the ignition is switched to the on position. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 17 18:48:36 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 17 18:45:21 2024. I know what you’re talking about, but this wouldn’t make any sense in an EV since dead battery=no power to do anything. It’s the equivalent of the gas tank. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 17 18:49:04 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jan 17 18:25:03 2024. Good point. The cars I had when I was a kid were never newer than 1973. But a battery to be that drawn down would have to be too old or defective. This is imagining waking up in the morning after having used the car the day before. Not a long dormant car. I’m really not familiar enough with post 1994 cars to say it’s impossible. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 17 18:50:19 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 17 18:48:36 2024. It’s also a play on your disdain for annoying stick shift gearboxes. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 17 18:54:10 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 17 18:50:19 2024. I guarantee you if I got the hang of it AND if EVs weren’t a thing I would have liked stick (NO HOMO). I understand the issue with automatics and control. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 17 19:14:26 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 17 18:54:10 2024. I didn’t it as homoThe automatic has some of the same control if you downshift. It’s about using engine braking in an automatic car. When I drive the old Volvo 240 i downshift it quite a bit in the rain. |
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Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs) |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Jan 17 20:16:49 2024, in response to Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jan 17 18:22:10 2024. You believe correctly! |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jan 17 20:20:00 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 17 18:49:04 2024. I found that out unfortunately on a road trip on my Harley motorcycle with my wife (actually fiance as it was before we were married) from Lake George to Montreal for a day trip. A plug popped out (I found out later from the mechanic) causing the alternator to stop and the battery drained. Somewhere about 30 miles south of Plattsburg on the Northway the bike stalled on a downhill so I popped the clutch, it started right away but a few seconds later it stalled again and I did the same. One more time but then I was on an uphill and couldn't pop the clutch. Plattsburg harley came down with a temporary battery to get me to their dealer while my wife sat in their truck while the girl employee followed me to make sure I didn't break down. I spent about 3 hours in downtown Plattsburg and then continued the trip to Montreal, had dinner there and that night rode back to our motel in lake George.I am thankful it happened before the border as it would have been a pain breaking down in a foreign country, especially that I don't know French!! |
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40 hours to full charge on 120VAC? (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 17 20:31:10 2024, in response to Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 12 10:48:02 2024. Wow, how convenient. And some of those Tesla Model 3s are being sold by Hertz for $14K too.And what makes these things have such high maintenance costs? That was one of Hertz's chief complaints. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 17 22:52:23 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jan 17 20:20:00 2024. Gotcha |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Jan 18 00:34:54 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 12 18:44:11 2024. Right, just like Olog, Peter Rosa, and Chris R27 were going to die before the Second Avenue Subway opened. Idiots. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Jan 18 00:41:32 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 13 13:49:50 2024. Oh shit |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Jan 18 00:46:45 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 13 18:00:33 2024. While I don’t doubt I’ll own a pure EV at some point, I look forward to still keeping ICE cars around for shits and giggles. ICE vehicles have their place. They can be quite fun. No need to eliminate them completely. A magnificent gasoline engine is a beautiful thing. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 18 01:57:45 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 12 19:16:14 2024. You have to live a long life to beat out cars. I graduated high school in 1968 and a significant portion of my high school class is no longer with us. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 18 01:59:27 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Jan 18 00:46:45 2024. Eventually it will be a real pain to buy gasoline. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Jan 18 08:18:15 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 18 01:59:27 2024. That’s a looooong time away from now, dude. Seriously. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 18 09:18:23 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Jan 18 08:18:15 2024. True, but likely within S-P's lifetime, which was part of the discussion in this thread. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jan 18 09:51:50 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 18 01:59:27 2024. I've seen it be a real pain to buy gasoline quite a few times.Only the most sheltered has had no problems ever. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jan 18 09:52:56 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 13 14:17:34 2024. It's far worse depending upon where you park. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jan 18 09:56:12 2024, in response to 40 hours to full charge on 120VAC? (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 17 20:31:10 2024. What daily maintenance did Hertz perform on them?Sometimes I plug my phone in to charge (they run on batteries too) and it will tell me it takes a few hours to charge. Sometimes I switch the wire or the plug and it takes 35 minutes. Electricity is interesting. It might be the reason they put dryers on a special plug in north america. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jan 18 09:59:08 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Jan 17 18:17:40 2024. Disposible. One time use only. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jan 18 10:00:03 2024, in response to Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 10:17:49 2024. Range in a gas car is even worse in cold weather. But no one ever argues about it. Because it's a stupid conversation. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jan 18 10:06:25 2024, in response to Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 12 10:48:02 2024. Anyone go on the Hertz site? I'm still seeing EV's listed even in my backwater. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 18 10:08:55 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 18 01:59:27 2024. How do you figure? In the distant future when electric cars outnumber gas cars, a basic economic rule will kick in. Supply will be greater than demand and gasoline will be most plentiful and readily available...and cheap unless the govt slaps outrageous taxes on it. |
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Re: 40 hours to full charge on 120VAC? (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs) |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 18 10:11:31 2024, in response to 40 hours to full charge on 120VAC? (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 17 20:31:10 2024. What I dont get is why any of these maintenance issues weren't covered by manufactures warranty? |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jan 18 10:13:56 2024, in response to Re: 40 hours to full charge on 120VAC? (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 18 10:11:31 2024. Becausea) they are b) there aren't any What are the maintenance issues the truely believable media who reports correctly on everything is listing? |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jan 18 10:15:40 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 18 10:08:55 2024. The only issue with this premise is the difficulty in shipping gas. Since those holes in the ground aren't connected to anything, you have to find extremely dangerous trucks with special insurance to shuttle the stuff around. This will be your issues and bottleneck. You'll have to go to a port or somewhere special to find it.People won't let that stuff near anywhere residential. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Jan 18 10:24:58 2024, in response to Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jan 18 10:00:03 2024. Range may be slightly lower in a conventional vehicle during cold weather, but it doesn't matter as much because range is generally not a meaningful concept. Gas stations are everywhere and fueling takes a couple of minutes at most. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jan 18 10:29:07 2024, in response to Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Jan 18 10:24:58 2024. You lose 31% of your range.ANd while I hope you're not going to just any gas station with tainted or watered down gasoline, you are telling me that you are stopping in dangerous wind chills to stand outside and stare at your nozzle for dangerously long periods of time outdoors. What a deadly game we play. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 18 10:33:41 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 18 10:08:55 2024. When demand drops radically, supply drops too because the suppliers aren't making any money.It's a real pain trying to get your horse-drawn buggy repaired too. I'm talking 2070 here. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jan 18 10:38:34 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 18 10:33:41 2024. If I can't get my horse repaired in 2070, I probably can't get a new sword smithed either. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 18 11:26:24 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 18 10:33:41 2024. The Amish will always be able to repair your horse and buggy. Even in 2070 or 2074.Do you think the classic car world will evaporate in the next 50 years? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 18 11:50:11 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 18 11:26:24 2024. Good point. Horse and buggy repairs happen all the time, especially around Central Park. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 18 12:03:54 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 18 10:33:41 2024. Amish keeping up with the times!! |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 18 12:18:11 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 18 11:50:11 2024. And that’s true too |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 18 12:18:59 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 18 12:03:54 2024. Hilarious |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 18 12:23:48 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 18 12:03:54 2024. It probably does have a flat screen to keep the bugs out. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jan 18 12:34:08 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 18 12:03:54 2024. The meme maker appears to be single and probsbly pro-hamas in intelligence level.Amish have families and extended families. One horse would cut down on emissions. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 18 12:51:46 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 18 11:26:24 2024. It's a real pain to get my buggy repaired by an Amish guy in PA. Between transporting it there, and transporting it back. :)And what did I say to suggest the classic car world will evaporate? I definitely did not say that. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 18 13:09:33 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 18 12:51:46 2024. No of course you didn’t say that classic car world will evaporate but it is definitely implied by saying gasoline will be in such low demand that production will fall to the point that gas is hard to come by. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Jan 18 13:22:54 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 18 11:50:11 2024. ...and harness tracks. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 18 13:29:23 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 18 13:09:33 2024. I stand by the statement that it will be a real pain to buy gasoline. I was referring to relative to now.Of course if you own a classic car you'll figure out a way to get gasoline. But it is likely to be a lot more involved than it is right now. Maybe it will be comparable to buying propane now. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 18 14:20:02 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 18 13:29:23 2024. Clean-burning propane is not hard to come by I tell ya hwat. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 18 14:44:41 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 18 14:20:02 2024. Compared to gasoline it is. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 18 15:01:23 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 18 14:44:41 2024. BWAAAAAAH! |
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