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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 4 17:35:46 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 17:31:15 2023.

Yes. NOI is the black version of Scientology.

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 17:36:34 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 17:30:54 2023.

I have, and it's good. I don't generally watch videos like that from end-to-end at once - I'll jump around to particular points of interest. Yours are very good for that.

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 17:37:58 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 4 17:35:46 2023.

Perhaps - but I'd be interested in the explanation of an adherent.

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 17:43:33 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 4 17:35:46 2023.

ONE MORE TIME IDIOT !!!

I AM NOT WITH FARRAKHAN

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 4 17:43:51 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 17:27:02 2023.

LOL!

It’s funny how the regular religions made the world too young, so Scientology and Black Scientology made the world too old.

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 17:43:58 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 17:37:58 2023.

I AM NOT WITH FARRAKHAN

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 17:45:49 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 17:37:58 2023.

I AM NOT WITH FARRAKHAN

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 17:46:03 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 17:32:40 2023.

OK

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 17:46:19 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 17:34:27 2023.

SELF CREATED

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 17:46:56 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 17:36:34 2023.

I HAVE YET TO POST NIGHT SHOTS EXPRESS IN REVERSE

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 17:47:18 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 4 17:43:51 2023.

I AM NOT WITH FARRAKHAN

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 4 17:49:24 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 17:47:18 2023.

That’s super.

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 17:56:12 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 4 17:49:24 2023.

MILLION-MAN-MARCH-FAILURE

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 4 18:03:44 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 17:56:12 2023.

How do you feel that it's okay or reasonable to post hate like this. Whoud it be okay if KKK literature were also posted here? Rethink your ideas.

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 18:20:47 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 4 18:03:44 2023.

KKK NAZI IS HERE ALL THE TIME

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 18:22:09 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 4 18:03:44 2023.

RKBA

PIG OFFICER JEFF ROSEN

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 18:41:50 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 17:37:58 2023.

I understand. What I'm looking for is an understanding of the belief system, not of a particular leader.

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 18:45:12 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 17:56:12 2023.

That only emphasizes my question. You claim to oppose racism, but follow a religion that calls whites the "Actual Devil". How is that not a racist statement?

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 18:46:35 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 18:41:50 2023.

NO I ANSWERED YOU

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 18:47:57 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 17:46:19 2023.

You said that earlier, but that doesn't explain God's part in the process. After all, if Man has the ability to self create, what need is there for a God? Or does the NoI just not believe in God as an all-powerful being?

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 4 18:48:04 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 18:20:47 2023.

Thats bullshit! They may have opinions that you disagree with but they never post hate literature.

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 18:50:29 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 18:45:12 2023.

BECAUSE IT IS THE TRUTH AND FACT







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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 18:51:16 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 18:47:57 2023.



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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 18:52:40 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 18:20:47 2023.

RKBA

OFFICER PIG ROSEN



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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Nov 4 19:00:50 2023, in response to To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by subfan on Thu Nov 2 05:03:00 2023.

As most here know, I am Jewish -

Do you have a favorite Jewish deli?

What do you think of Jewish women?



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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 19:01:29 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 18:50:29 2023.

The fact that you believe it to be the truth does not make it not racist. After all, it was the common belief on the 1800s that Blacks were inherently mentally and morally inferior - that did not make such beliefs non-racist.

As a practical matter - what are the implications of the "Devilish nature" of Whites? Does that mean you have a religious right or obligation to either subjugate or destroy them? That's essentially a call for genocide, no different from the Nazi's call for a "Final Solution" to the "Jewish Problem". Are you allowed to have a White person as a friend? Wouldn't that be considered consorting with an "Actual Devil"? What about those Whites who quite literally gave their lives to help Blacks advance - are they "Actual Devils" too, or have they somehow cleansed themselves of devilishness?

I'm just wondering how you reconcile these beliefs with living in a mixed society.

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 19:04:10 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 18:51:16 2023.

I'm sorry, but a link to a two-plus hour sermon is not really an answer. I'm not asking for a detailed theological treatise with citations - just a high-level explanation.

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 19:04:34 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 19:01:29 2023.

SCIENCE

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 19:05:03 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 19:04:10 2023.

ITS ALL THERE

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Nov 4 19:07:47 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Nov 3 20:06:08 2023.

Putting your home phone # on a public message board might not be wise.

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 19:13:59 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Nov 4 19:00:50 2023.

Deli - I live in Israel; delis are not much of a thing here.

Jewish women - I'm married to one and the father of others. As such, I think they're absolutely wonderful (yes dear, I'll be there in a minute!).

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Nov 4 19:14:18 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 4 17:03:19 2023.

Where does evolution deny the existence of God?

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 19:15:07 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 19:04:34 2023.

But science clearly shows that races are a fallacy - they are not a scientific fact.

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 19:17:19 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Nov 4 19:05:03 2023.

OK, but can you please be kind enough to summarize? Giving times in the video where the key points are would also help - but asking me to listen to a two-hour sermon is a bit much.

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Nov 4 19:18:32 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 19:13:59 2023.


I live in Israel; delis are not much of a thing here.

Why is veganism so popular in Israel?


BTW your English is perfect. Did you live abroad?



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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 19:25:15 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Nov 4 19:18:32 2023.

Who said anything about veganism? It's just that the classic "Jewish Deli" that you find in the US isn't very common or popular here. The food scene here is more influenced by Middle Eastern food - which makes sense I'd you consider that the majority of Israeli Jews are from the Middle East and North Africa, not Eastern Europe.

As to my English - I was born in the US, though with an Israeli parent. I moved back to Israel as an adult, after having grown up and worked in the US for many years.

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 19:25:58 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Nov 4 19:14:18 2023.

It does not need to do so - though it does allow for it.

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Nov 4 19:28:59 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 19:25:15 2023.

I was simply asking why veganism is so popular in Israel.

I see it as a threat to national security and representative of much larger problems.


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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 19:30:01 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 19:17:19 2023.

BTW, I do appreciate your willingness to engage on this (obviously sensitive) topic. I'd have also appreciated hearing from Edwards, who has not hesitated to call people here "Devils" in the past, but he's chosen not to respond.

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 19:34:41 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Nov 4 19:28:59 2023.

Ah - OK - I'd misunderstood the question.

It's not really more popular than n any other Western country. For most, cutting back on meat is seen as more healthful - and beef, in particular, was never as big a part of the Israeli diet as it is in the US. The land and climate here are not great for raising cattle - in fact, most beef consumed in Israel is imported, making it rather expensive. As such, the Israeli diet naturally tends toward the more plant-heavy side of things.

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 4 20:18:14 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by Train Dude on Sat Nov 4 18:03:44 2023.

Klan with a Tan

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 4 20:21:44 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Nov 4 19:14:18 2023.

Evolution per se does not, but evolution's proponents put it forth as an attempt to explain the origin of life without a God, which is what I said. Not to mention evolution as a concept implies a God that does not possess infinite powerand ability anyway.

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 4 20:23:08 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 19:25:58 2023.

No, not really. Not to mention the fossil record does not support evolution.

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 4 20:26:20 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 19:34:41 2023.

What about chicken and lamb/mutton?

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 20:26:31 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 4 20:21:44 2023.

Or a God that chooses to operate through "natural" processes.

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 4 20:27:04 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Nov 4 19:14:18 2023.

In his fevered mind only.

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 20:27:59 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 4 20:23:08 2023.

The science for that is not an area I have sufficient knowledge to meaningfully opine on.

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 20:29:09 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 4 20:26:20 2023.

Both fairly common here. But still, the traditional diet here is more plant-heavy.

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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 4 20:29:47 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 4 20:23:08 2023.



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Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Nov 4 20:35:11 2023, in response to Re: To Salaam and Edwards - a Serious Question, posted by subfan on Sat Nov 4 20:29:09 2023.

Interesting.

And yet, heart disease, and obesity are issues in Israel.

You don't eat pork. Butter consumption is low. Plant consumption high. Everyone should be perfectly healthy with no weight issues.



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