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Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail
Posted by Easy on Tue Nov 23 13:03:48 2021 https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/video-shows-suspect-allegedly-attack-nypd-officer-and-he-is-later-freed-without-bail/3403880/?amp Surveillance video shows an NYPD officer allegedly getting attacked from behind in the Bronx by a man who has been violent toward police before — but he was freed without bail just a day later.
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Posted by Easy* on Tue Nov 23 13:05:23 2021, in response to Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Easy on Tue Nov 23 13:03:48 2021.* https://nypost.com/2021/04/18/man-who-attacked-undercover-asian-nypd-cop-released-without-bail/amp/
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Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail
Posted by AlM* on Tue Nov 23 13:16:18 2021, in response to Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Easy on Tue Nov 23 13:03:48 2021.* My understanding is that freeing him without bail is contrary to NY law.
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Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail
Posted by Easy* on Tue Nov 23 13:22:30 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by AlM on Tue Nov 23 13:16:18 2021.* New York law doesn’t allow bail when there is 3rd degree assault and assaults are third degree if there are no injuries. Perhaps the word “injury” is subject to interpretation and the cop looked fine to the DA?
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Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail
Posted by AlM* on Tue Nov 23 13:25:08 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Easy on Tue Nov 23 13:22:30 2021.* I don't know.
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Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail
Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Tue Nov 23 13:25:39 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Easy on Tue Nov 23 13:22:30 2021.* "Injury" in NYC is usually based on an ACR completed by an EMS crew, because ACRs are legal documents in New York State. Of course, visible injuries that can be otherwise documented, such as being photographed, also qualify, even if the victim refuses medical aid at the scene, or visits a doctor later.
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Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail
Posted by Easy* on Tue Nov 23 13:29:45 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Nov 23 13:25:39 2021.* Thank you. My point to Al was that you can have someone violently attack another person and if there is no injury, such a violent person may be required to be released without bail.
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Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Nov 23 13:44:18 2021, in response to Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Easy on Tue Nov 23 13:03:48 2021.* Here's my take on this. Politicians in Liberal strongholds are scared to death to be seen as pro-law enforcement in any way, shape, or form, so they allow these laws to be passed. The judges literally cannot even impose their own decisions on this, lest they "side" with rich or white defendants, while denying others bail ( see the Rittenhouse trial judge for reference). So, with that, the police have to be vigilant as to make sure that these animals don't approach them and get the drop on them. That being said, both of these aforementioned perps would have been turned to puddles had they tried that shit with us.
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Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail
Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Tue Nov 23 13:47:39 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Easy on Tue Nov 23 13:29:45 2021.* The problem with that is if theres a non- obvious internal injury
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Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail
Posted by AlM* on Tue Nov 23 14:37:43 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Nov 23 13:44:18 2021.* Politicians in Liberal strongholds are scared to death to be seen as pro-law enforcement in any way, shape, or form, so they allow these laws to be passed. And yet the two leading vote-getters in the NYC primary for mayor were seen as being the most pro-law enforcement.
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Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Nov 23 14:43:53 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by AlM on Tue Nov 23 14:37:43 2021.* And they're both really not.
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Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail
Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Wed Nov 24 11:04:53 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Easy on Tue Nov 23 13:22:30 2021.* What about attempted murder? Bail is allowed for that. And attempting to throw a police officer (or any person) off a subway platform onto the tracks could certainly be construed as attempted murder. But then again he wasn't charged with that so the ADA who didn't charge him was the asshole, not the judge.
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Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Nov 24 11:09:47 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Nov 24 11:04:53 2021.* Yes. Why is this so hard for people to understand? Judges usually can’t do things sua sponte.
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Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail
Posted by Easy* on Wed Nov 24 11:15:17 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 24 11:09:47 2021.* I don't blame the judge. I don't blame anyone, but if there is any blame to be directed, it should be directed at NY voters. None of this is possible without them.
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Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail
Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Wed Nov 24 11:24:00 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 24 11:15:17 2021.* I blame the prosecutors, the ADA. It would have been very easy to charge him with attempted murder, however the DA's office has an agenda to get rid of cases as soon as possible. Attempted murder would need a grand jury but it's so easy to say assault 3 degree and get rid of it.
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Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail
Posted by AlM* on Wed Nov 24 12:16:33 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 24 11:15:17 2021.* I think NY legislators totally misestimated the sentiments of NY voters on the bail issue.* And then they probably worded the law more leniently than they intended to. * The proof being the NYC mayoral primary results.
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Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail
Posted by Easy* on Wed Nov 24 12:38:14 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 24 12:16:33 2021.* And I think that NY voters totally misunderstood the position of the people that they elected. This is proudly displayed on Cyrus Vance's webpage: Since 2010, we have reduced unnecessary incarceration and ended the criminal prosecution of thousands of low-level, nonviolent offenses annually, slashing the number of people entering the criminal justice system in Manhattan nearly in half. Some of our signature reforms include: Ending requests for bail in most misdemeanor cases Ending the prosecution of marijuana smoking and possession cases, and dismissing more than 3,000 marijuana cases Proactively sealing marijuana possession convictions for hundreds of New Yorkers through an innovative class action petition brought jointly with public defenders and advocates Ending the criminal prosecution of crimes of poverty including turnstile-jumping, unlicensed vending, and nonpayment of fines, except where there is a demonstrated public safety reason to do so Ending the prosecution of unlawful assembly and disorderly conduct Ending the prosecution of prostitution and unlicensed massage and ‘Loitering for Prostitution’ cases, and Dismissing 914 Prostitution and Unlicensed Massage cases and more than 5,000 Loitering for the Purpose of Prostitution cases. Dismissing more than 240,000 old summons warrants originally issued for minor, nonviolent offenses, which subjected New Yorkers to unnecessary arrest, housing, and immigration consequences Ending the prosecution of most low-level, nonviolent violations and infractions through programs like our Manhattan Summons Initiative Creating and funding pre-arraignment diversion programs to enable thousands of first-time arrestees charged with non-violent misdemeanors to avoid prosecution and an arrest record, while being held accountable in a community setting Launching the Manhattan Hope Program, allowing individuals arrested for low-level drug offenses to complete a treatment program instead of entering criminal court, and Supporting the closure of Rikers Island and laying the groundwork for it by contributing $14 million (of $17 million total) in funding for the citywide Supervised Release program
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Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail
Posted by Easy* on Wed Nov 24 12:38:57 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Nov 24 11:24:00 2021.* The DA is an elected position. Voters put them there.
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Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail
Posted by AlM* on Wed Nov 24 13:36:33 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 24 12:38:57 2021.* The Bronx DAs do have a recent history of being pretty left-wing. Voters in Bronx primaries are far from representative of NY voters in general.
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Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail
Posted by Catfish 44* on Wed Nov 24 13:36:58 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 24 12:38:14 2021.* Very successful Compared to back then it’s the Wild West now
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Wed Nov 24 13:40:00 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 24 13:36:33 2021.* And now green card holder can vote !
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Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Nov 24 13:42:35 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 24 12:16:33 2021.* New Yorkers wanted the New Jersey bail reform, but they got the squad-approved bail reform.
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Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail
Posted by AlM* on Wed Nov 24 13:45:28 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 24 12:38:14 2021.* What seriously inappropriate things has Vance's office done? He doesn't operate in the Bronx.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Nov 24 13:47:24 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 24 12:38:14 2021.* Those are exactly the crimes New Yorkers wanted the legislature to be lenient on. No one is hurt if someone smokes a joint (before it was fully legal) or gets a happy ending for their massage.
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Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Nov 24 13:59:46 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Nov 24 13:40:00 2021.* Not in the DA election.
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Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail
Posted by Catfish 44* on Wed Nov 24 14:01:15 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 24 13:45:28 2021.* Nothing appropriate either Just nothing.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Wed Nov 24 14:01:41 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 24 13:47:24 2021.* What New Yorkers ?
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Nov 24 14:04:39 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Nov 24 14:01:41 2021.* Voters
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Posted by Easy* on Wed Nov 24 14:28:44 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 24 13:47:24 2021.* ended the criminal prosecution of thousands of low-level, nonviolent offenses This is the pertinent bit as "non-violent" is open to interpretation. I don't know all the legal definitions but I've posted examples of 3rd degree assault that most reasonable people would consider to be violent. Just based on what I've read over the last 24 hours, it appears that DA's have a lot of latitude in how to interpret that and can very much influence how cases are charged and prosecuted. In LA we don't even have a law like NY, but our DA was elected by making those same promises.
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Posted by Easy* on Wed Nov 24 14:30:50 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 24 13:45:28 2021.* You keep trying to change the conversation. Who said he did something inappropriate? My point is that NY elected officials are doing what voters want. Why would you consider doing what the voters want to be inappropriate?
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Posted by Easy* on Wed Nov 24 14:31:46 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 24 13:36:33 2021.* Yeah, we know. The laws are written poorly, the laws are misinterpreted, they people getting elected are not representative. I hear ya.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Nov 24 14:32:21 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 24 14:28:44 2021.* That’s the thing. People support this when it comes to non-violent offenses, until they realize that “non-violent” can mean things that there definitely should be bail for.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Nov 24 14:35:08 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 24 13:36:33 2021.* Vance’s statement is characteristic of the policies of his colleague from the annexed district.
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Posted by Easy* on Wed Nov 24 14:40:40 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 24 14:32:21 2021.* Yeah and the drug laws, which most approve of, is ultimately what is causing so many issues in places like LA. Drugs for personal use are (mostly?) no longer a criminal offense so people sit around all day injecting heroin while living in tents. Our local politicians see that and decided that what is needed is to buy all of them new houses, because they believe that housing is a right regardless of any other conditions. So we're spending billions to build permanent housing because our progressive politicians don't support shelters given that housing is a human right. Of course it's the government building them so they're ridiculously expensive and billions doesn't go very far.
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Posted by AlM* on Wed Nov 24 14:48:43 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 24 14:30:50 2021.* See S-P's post.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Wed Nov 24 15:08:25 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 24 14:04:39 2021.* Unfortunately the vast majority of them do not vote Decent people don’t want to walk down the street to the smells of skunked out marijuana or sit in their living rooms and experience the aroma.
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Wed Nov 24 15:13:44 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 24 13:42:35 2021.* I'm a NYer and didn't want ANY bail reform
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Posted by Easy* on Wed Nov 24 15:14:49 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Nov 24 15:08:25 2021.* Then by default they want others to decide. It's their decision. The smell of marijuana is everywhere around where I live. Especially outside but even inside I can't even leave my balcony door open without the smell filling up my apartment sooner or later. And I live in a 100% non-smoking building.
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Posted by Easy* on Wed Nov 24 15:18:19 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Nov 24 15:13:44 2021.* I live in LA and voted against bail reform and we won, but the courts overturned the law based on a very valid case of unreasonable bail. In the end, I do want bail reform, just not like what we have. I think that the median bail amount in California was the highest in the country.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Nov 24 15:25:22 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 24 14:40:40 2021.* That statement by Vance only mentioned weed, not harder drugs.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Nov 24 15:27:32 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Nov 24 15:08:25 2021.* Marijuana is as offensive to me as tobacco. I find the smell objectionable but I don’t want the state to protect me from it. The majority of people poll in favor of marijuana legalization.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Nov 24 15:29:44 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Nov 24 15:13:44 2021.* Figures
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Posted by Easy* on Wed Nov 24 15:30:57 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 24 15:25:22 2021.* There's no doubt that NY is more moderate than California.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Nov 24 15:34:37 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Easy on Wed Nov 24 15:30:57 2021.* I do think they should decriminalize all drugs. But I also think we need to bring back institutionalization. IOW one should be committed for using heroin.
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Posted by Fred G* on Wed Nov 24 15:35:17 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Nov 24 15:08:25 2021.* Nobody like cigarette smoke either.
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Wed Nov 24 15:36:24 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 24 15:34:37 2021.* They tried that, with truly blood curdling results. Look up North Brother Island in NYC for an example of just how bad it got.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Nov 24 15:37:11 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Fred G on Wed Nov 24 15:35:17 2021.* I find it more objectionable than weed smoke but I think that might be because I just have smelled it more often. Weed is pretty foul smelling.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Nov 24 15:38:38 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Nov 24 15:36:24 2021.* You’re confusing North Brother Island with other institutions, like Creedmoor, or Willowbrook. NBI was for infectious diseases. Now the fact that those institutions were horrible doesn’t mean that involuntary commitment isn’t useful. The pendulum swung too far in the opposite direction.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Wed Nov 24 15:46:31 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 24 14:48:43 2021.* Which one, asshole?
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Posted by Train Dude* on Wed Nov 24 15:50:40 2021, in response to Re: Man who attacked NYPD officer released without bail, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Nov 24 15:08:25 2021.* Even worse is when it gets sucked into the air intake of my car.
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