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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jul 28 02:42:05 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 27 08:32:48 2015. Tell me, oh great Seer of Subchat, how it's fundamentally different? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jul 28 02:44:12 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 27 18:06:13 2015. Her point is the one I was trying to make. Rachel TRULY identifies as black, just like Bruce identifies with being a woman and Chastity identifies with being a man.Nature (and logic) however, says different. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jul 28 02:52:23 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jul 27 10:49:14 2015. It's NOT ignorant. in fact, I have NOTHING against men who wanna dress up in make-upand take female hormones. Same with women who get double mastectomies in order to look more like men and take male hormones to grow beards. I also don't have anything against people who get dreadlocks or afros, tan their skin, and appear black.BUT... Don't expect me to call Bruce a "her", Chastity a "him", and Rachel "sista", because they are NOT. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 28 09:25:25 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jul 28 02:42:05 2015. Unlike sex, race is a social construct. People aren’t black or white because they feel that way, it’s because other people tell them they’re black or white. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 28 09:27:04 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jul 28 02:52:23 2015. You clearly have lots of things against those people, otherwise you wouldn’t characterize them as “men who wanna dress up in make-upand [sic] take female hormones.” |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jul 28 09:53:42 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jul 28 02:52:23 2015. Caitlyn is now legally and medically a woman. Chaz Bono is legally and medically a man. As for Rachel Dolezal, if you REALLY want to split hairs, it is an evolutionary FACT that every person walking the Earth today, has African ancestry. Everyone now living, is descended down from humans who walked out of Africa to populate the globe, many millennia ago.Race is something people created, to describe the adaptations our ancestors made when they encountered environments that were radically different from those of Africa, which caused the appearance of the world's peoples to change dramatically. Race is also a way for people to satisfy their psychological need to feel better than other groups of people, and to justify sometimes abhorrent behavior towards them. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jul 28 19:18:33 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 28 09:27:04 2015. I don't have anything against them, but I cannot call them something they are not.I see the Subchat Asperger Army HAD to quote me and even add [sic] without just letting it go that obviously when I was typing, I didn't press the space key between make-up & and... |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jul 28 19:21:28 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jul 28 09:53:42 2015. BRUCE has a penis, testicles, and male chromosomes. HE is a man.CHASTITY has a vagina and female chromosomes. SHE is a woman. Everything is is just cosmetic body mods. You KNOW what I mean when I talk about Rachel. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jul 28 19:27:02 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 28 09:25:25 2015. I'm SURE no one ever told her that she's black. That is, UNTIL she started altering her appearence to appear to be African American. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 28 19:44:14 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jul 28 19:21:28 2015. Ignoring the point about genitals, what do you consider the sex to be of someone with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 28 21:32:16 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jul 28 19:18:33 2015. I put [sic] after typos because that's how one is supposed to quote text with typos. I don't want to get used to not doing it and then forget when it would actually be important. I'd rather my OTChat posts look pretentious than my other writing look unprofessional. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 28 21:35:14 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jul 28 19:27:02 2015. Which is Ms. Dolezal is not black.I'm not a psychiatrist or psychologist so I don't know whether the proper treatment for gender identity problems is to actually to mutilate oneself, so I won't disrespect people with that affliction by denying them their desire for their chosen names and pronouns. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Jul 28 22:47:28 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jul 28 09:53:42 2015. Caitlyn is now legally and medically a woman. Chaz Bono is legally and medically a man.Medically? They both have all their original parts. Not something that most of their opposite sex (whatever tha means anymore) would want. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Jul 28 22:51:50 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by Easy on Tue Jul 28 22:47:28 2015. That shows something less than a total commitment to the transformation. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Jul 28 22:56:59 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Jul 28 22:51:50 2015. Perhaps. But my understanding is that very few trans men add male appendages as they don't work well or at all. |
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Posted by The Silence on Tue Jul 28 22:57:25 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jul 28 09:53:42 2015. Still having a wang and balls and can still father children. that is not "medically" a woman. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 28 23:09:18 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 28 19:44:14 2015. Or intersex? That happens quite often too. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Jul 28 23:10:39 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by Easy on Tue Jul 28 22:47:28 2015. Medically?IAWTP. I mean would she have any need for a gynecologist? If the answer is no then it seems unlikely that she's "medically a woman". |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 29 01:24:48 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by Easy on Tue Jul 28 22:47:28 2015. Did you go see Barcelona at the Rose Bowl? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 29 10:38:51 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by The Silence on Tue Jul 28 22:57:25 2015. Speaking of that, remember the so-called “pregnant man?” I have no real comment to add there, but that certainly helps advance your argument. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 29 10:50:20 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 28 23:09:18 2015. I specifically cited AIS because of how it usually presents: The woman looks and feels completely normal. Many AIS patients don’t know they have the condition until they go to the gynecologist as pre-teens/teens to ask why they haven’t had their first periods yet. No one considers these people not women (since sterility does not make someone not a woman), and yet they have XY chromosomes.Chromosomes in any event were only discovered in the 20th century, so apparently people for most of human history had no way of telling men and women apart. That’s why I consider this genotype-rule that conservatives like to latch onto bullshit. It’s clear that an objective definition of male and female does not include genotype. How would they classify Turner’s Syndrome, Kleinfelter’s Syndrome, Triple-X or XYY? Note that the latter two are usually fertile and may live a long and healthy life, never knowing of their affliction. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 29 16:26:34 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 28 21:35:14 2015. So, if I REALLY believe that I am Satan, you guys should address me as The Prince of Darkness? Of course not. That's silly, just like calling a man her or a woman him. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 29 16:27:15 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 28 21:32:16 2015. Fair enough. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 29 16:27:51 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 29 16:26:34 2015. Well, if you legally changed your name to "Satan," I would refer to you as such. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 29 16:28:33 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 29 10:50:20 2015. I'm SURE that Bruce or Chastity don't have any of these. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 29 16:29:10 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 29 16:28:33 2015. No, they don't. But so what? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 29 16:41:09 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 29 16:29:10 2015. I am talking about them specifically. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 29 16:42:50 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 29 16:41:09 2015. You claim that XX or XY genotype is a valid determiner of sex. I've shown why it isn't. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 29 16:43:46 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 29 16:27:51 2015. Satan's name is Lucifer, which is a nice name. But still, I don't need to do things like that. *MY* family isn't in a reality TV show. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 29 17:19:52 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 29 10:50:20 2015. No worries! Just offering another example. :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 29 18:54:23 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 29 16:43:46 2015. Fictional characters have whatever names the author comes up with. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Jul 29 19:57:25 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 29 01:24:48 2015. Nope. I was in NYC when they played. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 30 10:04:49 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by Easy on Wed Jul 29 19:57:25 2015. Did you summit with anyone? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jul 30 16:05:30 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 29 18:54:23 2015. Yes, but you get my point. In fact, Caitlyn is Bruce's fictional "alterego" character... |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jul 30 16:06:55 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 29 16:42:50 2015. Your examples are medical conditions. People are also born with 6 fingers/toes, 3 arms, etc...Bruce and Chastity do not suffer from any of that. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jul 30 16:08:48 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Jul 26 12:36:43 2015. Agreed, because all "Caitlyn" is, is Bruce in a dress and makeup. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jul 30 16:11:21 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jul 26 21:20:12 2015. He's the guy running around in the dress, high heels, and makeup. AND, he's not even dressing like a 60-something woman, he's dressing like a 30-something woman to boot. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 30 16:11:58 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jul 30 16:05:30 2015. Perhaps. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 30 16:12:23 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jul 30 16:06:55 2015. They suffer from something. Clearly. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jul 30 16:56:48 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jul 30 16:06:55 2015. I would say it is quite likely they suffer from a medical condition. Do you think anyone really wants to be transgender? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jul 31 00:08:20 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by AlM on Thu Jul 30 16:56:48 2015. I think it's a fetish. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jul 31 00:08:46 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 30 16:12:23 2015. Yes, but people's fetishes are their own business. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 31 09:55:40 2015, in response to Re: Who the fuck wants to see Jenner nude?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jul 31 00:08:20 2015. That sounds like it’s a psychological problem. I agree in that case. |
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