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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 13:19:21 2014 From the private autopsy requested by the parents of Micheal Brown, the so called eye witnesses were wrong. While he was shot at least 6 times, none of the shots were to the back . So much for eye witness testimony. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 18 14:09:10 2014, in response to Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 13:19:21 2014. Also no indication of his hands being raised. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Mon Aug 18 14:12:46 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 18 14:09:10 2014. Throw in... Still no indication of a struggle. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 18 14:14:06 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 18 14:09:10 2014. The doctor who did the autopsy did not address that point. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 18 14:19:07 2014, in response to Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 13:19:21 2014. Nothing adds up at the moment. All shots from the front, so not shot in the back as claimed.On the other hand, no gunpowder on the body, which suggests at least the fatal shots to the head were not at close range, which isn't really consistent with a fatal struggle for the gun. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 18 14:24:12 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 18 14:14:06 2014. If his hands were in the air at the time he was shot, why would his arms have so many bullet wounds? Assuming the cop was aiming for the victim's torso, the fact that so many bullet wounds are in his arms seems to imply that his arms were down near this torso and not up in the air, right? Or am I way off base? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Aug 18 14:27:22 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 18 14:24:12 2014. way off |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Aug 18 14:32:22 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Aug 18 14:27:22 2014. Cops are taught to aim center mass. If his arms were up you would not see the pattern of wounds present based on police training |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 18 14:41:38 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 18 14:24:12 2014. Your line of reasoning makes sense. All I said was the doctor didn't address the point. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 14:51:27 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 18 14:19:07 2014. Which is why no conclusions should be drawn by either side |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 14:52:53 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 18 14:24:12 2014. Another good point raised. |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Aug 18 15:55:36 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 14:51:27 2014. or by anyone here. |
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Posted by vfrt on Mon Aug 18 16:01:01 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Aug 18 14:32:22 2014. Another hoodlum shot dead after committing a robbery. Yawn. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 18 16:23:45 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by vfrt on Mon Aug 18 16:01:01 2014. Sorry, there is no death penalty for robbery. Yawn canceled. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 16:34:38 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by Allan on Mon Aug 18 15:55:36 2014. Here is not the real world and no one plays by real world rules. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 16:37:07 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 18 16:23:45 2014. First of all, there was no robbery according to reverend sharpton. It was simply shoplifting. However there is the possibility of use of deadly force when resisting lawful authority which I believe this case will boil down to. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Aug 18 16:37:48 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by vfrt on Mon Aug 18 16:01:01 2014. go to hell |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Aug 18 16:39:27 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 16:37:07 2014. the death penality is not to be carred out by police / sheriffs on the streets this is supposed to be in a court of law determined |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 16:44:27 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Aug 18 16:39:27 2014. You are confusing the death penalty with the necessary use of deadly force. Death penalty is imposed for conviction of a capital crime or crimes. The use of deadly force by a police officer is justified when it is used to protect the officer from injury or to prevent imminent injury of innocent civilians by a violent criminal. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 18 16:50:46 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 16:37:07 2014. However there is the possibility of use of deadly force when resisting lawful authority which I believe this case will boil down to.I would also not be surprised if the officer was found to have acted in self-defense, but that was not vfrt's point of view. His point of view is that it does not matter if the officer behaved properly; the simple fact of the robbery justifies the officer. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Aug 18 16:57:41 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 16:44:27 2014. i was saying no one has the right to inflict the DEATH PENALITY by means of lethal force especially on a unarmed person to the deaththe courts are supposed to be the ones to determine the sentances of any defendant not a unjustified shooting of a innocent person |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 17:03:45 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 16:44:27 2014. Then he should have stopped when according to corroborated testimony, the victim put is hands up and said "I don't have a gun stop shooting"..(IIRC, Michael Brown was wounded then but probably would have survived from gunshot wounds to his arm) The next shot became excessive force, no? |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 17:05:12 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 16:34:38 2014. Nor is the RW echo chamber. In fact, civilization mandates fighting the dystopia it seeks to enforce upon all. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Aug 18 17:05:14 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 17:03:45 2014. no shots should have been fired period |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 18 17:08:32 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 17:03:45 2014. The next shot became excessive force, no?Possibly, possibly not. There is far from enough evidence to tell for sure at this point. If the witness was provably wrong about Brown being shot in the back, his credibility concerning his hands being up suffers too. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Mon Aug 18 17:12:25 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 16:44:27 2014. Robbery or shoplifting if thats him in the video this dude belongs in jail not the morgue. But if he indeed attacked the cop first then I can't fault the officer doing what he did. Unless there's another witness to validate his friend's story bc his creditibilty is officially shot. I doubt the officer will face any charges. It's hard for me to believe anybody with any degree of sanity would really run at the officer like that unarmed from 35 ft away unless he way high or something. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Aug 18 17:18:12 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 17:03:45 2014. possibly, possibly notIs the officer just supposed to take Brown's word that he did not have a gun? What is stop him from quickly taking out a concealed weapon and shoot when the officer has to lower his weapon to handcuff him? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Aug 18 17:20:49 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Aug 18 17:18:12 2014. what was the charge ? walking down the middle of the streets so you shoot someone who does this with their hands raised sky high ?this is justified right ? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 18 17:23:01 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by FtGreeneG on Mon Aug 18 17:12:25 2014. I read your posts. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 17:23:38 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Aug 18 17:05:14 2014. Ideally, yes. But if any person, once in questioning from a cop runs away, they cop has the right to see the person in question be detained using the minimum amount of force necessary. That includes shooting, although any cop would dread the investigation that typically follows. So the sane ones do all they can to avoid that.This time, it looks Ike Officer Wilson got trigger happy. Bear in mind all the evidence isn't in, we don't know about a shot supposedly fired in the car. I will say this, it's awfully suspicious how the Ferguson police are handłing this. Usually, honest police departments want to get all the information out ASAP. It removes any specter of wrongdoing on their part. Why are they being so secretive? |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 17:26:51 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 18 17:08:32 2014. There's several eyewitnesses that saw him with his hands up. Out of that many people, I'd say it's corroborated. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 17:30:31 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 17:03:45 2014. Yeah, that's the same witness testimony that said that he was shot in the back running away. When are you going to stop being such a simp and start thinking before flapping your gums. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 17:31:35 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 18 16:50:46 2014. Well I would disagree with that. I do not believe in summary execution or curbside justice. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 17:32:49 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 17:05:12 2014. You are such an ignoramus. Is everything in your life right wing vs left wing? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 17:34:01 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 17:23:38 2014. Oh and based on what evidence do you say that the officer got trigger happy? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 17:36:59 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by FtGreeneG on Mon Aug 18 17:12:25 2014. You are correct that based on the video the perp belongs in jail but if he resisted lawful authority then he may have brought the more severe consequences upon himself. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 17:38:03 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 17:26:51 2014. Yes you would. A reasonable person might do otherwise. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Aug 18 17:38:55 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 18 16:50:46 2014. what self defense ? shooting a UNARMED person in the front or back is not self defense |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Aug 18 17:40:47 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 17:30:31 2014. no ...not running away standing with his hands up in the air |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Aug 18 17:41:49 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 17:26:51 2014. IAWTP |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 18 17:51:46 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 17:31:35 2014. Exactly. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 18:11:29 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 17:30:31 2014. There are a number of witnesses that saw him with his hands up when he was shot. They had nothing to do with Mr Brown and his friend. Only reason to mention this is that is one of the few corroborated facts that have emerged. Can't deal with it, too bad. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 18:14:00 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 17:32:49 2014. Like there's reality in the world of a RW hatful prick. Talk about ignorance...... |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 19:12:33 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 17:34:01 2014. "Looks like" is not a definitive statement. Read what I said.Plus, numerous witnesses said his arms were up when the fatal shot was fired. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 19:16:24 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 17:38:03 2014. Obviously that doesn't include ou. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Aug 18 20:07:41 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 17:26:51 2014. hands up no weapon iawtp |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Aug 18 20:12:21 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 19:12:33 2014. numerous witnesses said his arms were up when the fatal shot was fired.IAWTP |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 22:50:03 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 18:11:29 2014. See, when you start talking in shorthand I know that even you don't believe the shit that you are spewing. The same witnesses saw him shot in the back. If they lied about that how can you trust them when they say that he had his hands up? |
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Bingbong proves herself stupid again was: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 22:53:19 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 18:14:00 2014. Like there's reality in the world of a RW hatful prick. Talk about ignorance......Yeah, let's talk about ignorance. What is a "HATFUL PRICK"? Why are you such an ignorant cunt? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 22:54:33 2014, in response to Re: Eye Witnesses May Have Been Confused, posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 19:12:33 2014. Hey, moron, if they were wrong about him getting shot in the back how can you believe them when they say he had his hands up? |
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