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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Jul 18 19:10:32 2014 Very interesting. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Jul 18 19:13:08 2014, in response to Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Jul 18 19:10:32 2014. Because kitchen and bath remodeling |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 18 19:33:01 2014, in response to Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Jul 18 19:10:32 2014. Interesting, maybe, but it is wrong. Jews vote Democrat because Republican positions on social issues disagree with the teachings of the Torah. The Torah does not support an isolationist immigration policy or defunding social welfare programs like Medicare and Social Security |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Jul 18 19:45:19 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by Fred G on Fri Jul 18 19:13:08 2014. I didn't know you were Jewish. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Jul 18 19:46:39 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 18 19:33:01 2014. "The Torah does not support an isolationist immigration policy or defunding social welfare programs like Medicare and Social Security." Where in the Torah? I'm curious. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 18 19:54:36 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Jul 18 19:46:39 2014. Leviticus 19:10 - "Nor shall you glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather the fallen fruit of your vineyard; you shall leave them for the needy and for the stranger. I am the LORD your God."Deuteronomy 24:17-18 - "You shall not pervert the justice due an alien or an orphan, nor take a widow's garment in pledge. But you shall remember that you were a slave in Egypt, and that the LORD your God redeemed you from there; therefore I am commanding you to do this thing." Leviticus 19:33-34 - "When a stranger resides with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt; I am the LORD your God." |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Jul 18 20:00:03 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 18 19:54:36 2014. OK fine, and thank you for the quick response. Leviticus 19:10, does that also mean that if we do not voluntarily help other people, we should be taxed? Deuteronomy 24:17-18 and Leviticus 19:33-34, does that also include enemies to the Jewish people that want to do us harm? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 18 20:08:06 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Jul 18 20:00:03 2014. Deuteronomy 23:7 also seems to indicate that it should also include enemies: "You shall not detest an Edomite, for he is your brother; you shall not detest an Egyptian, because you were an alien in his land" |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Jul 18 20:08:45 2014, in response to Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Jul 18 19:10:32 2014. Very misguided and hateful. The RW "Christians" only favor Jews in order to promote the end of the world. Being no fan of promoting Armageddon, I would think that any political party that promotes the strict division of church and state would be preferable, as it ensures their ability to practice as they wish, while ensuring the government, with its wealth, armed forces and capital, do not end up subverted by incensed, deluded minorities seeking destruction under the guise of religion. |
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Posted by train dude on Fri Jul 18 20:21:04 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 18 19:33:01 2014. Silly at best. The Torah does not support solar or wind energy |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jul 18 20:38:55 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 18 19:33:01 2014. He's also wrong about liberals. They can be antisemites and highly annoying in many ways, but there's a hardly ever been a violently anti-Jewish liberal. Stalin wasn't a liberal. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Jul 18 20:49:36 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by bingbong on Fri Jul 18 20:08:45 2014. I didn't know you were Jewish. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Jul 18 20:56:11 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Jul 18 20:49:36 2014. I'm not. Read the article, and gave you my opinion on it, knowing a bit more about the BACs than many. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jul 18 21:03:29 2014, in response to Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Jul 18 19:10:32 2014. Because the GOP supported the Third Reich in the late 30s- early 40s. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Jul 18 21:34:13 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jul 18 21:03:29 2014. No it did not. FDR didn't do a damn thing for the victims of the holocaust. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jul 18 21:37:34 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Jul 18 19:45:19 2014. He's not |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jul 18 22:07:23 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Jul 18 21:34:13 2014. They kept the US out of the war from 1939 to Pearl Harbor. as for FDR not helping the Jews, guilty as charged. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Jul 18 22:35:47 2014, in response to Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Jul 18 19:10:32 2014. Not all Jews.... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 19 02:02:42 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 18 19:54:36 2014. That's not government welfare. Try again. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 19 02:05:11 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 18 19:33:01 2014. You have it so backwards it's not funny. Are you trying to convince people that the Torah is anti-family, anti-freedom of religion, anti-defense, et cetera?Only libertarians and Democrats are isolationist. You got that wrong too. And there is nothing about state control over welfare or health care in the Torah either. Please stop lying. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sat Jul 19 07:29:35 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jul 18 22:07:23 2014. Some may argue that if the United States had gotten in earlier on the side of the Allies the Holocaust would have been over sooner |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sat Jul 19 07:32:31 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 19 02:05:11 2014. So Republicans do not want to lock the border from everybody and deprive all benefits to those not here legally? |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jul 19 08:51:55 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Jul 19 07:29:35 2014. yes. BTW, most of the murders occurred after 1943. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Jul 19 09:31:42 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Jul 18 21:34:13 2014. FDR didn't do a damn thing for the victims of the holocaust.There was a recent documentary about the Morganthau family (Henry Sr., Henry Jr. and Robert) on PBS. The section on Henry Jr. (FDR's Treasury Secretary) mentioned the events leading up to the creation of the War Refugee Board. The documentary raised some questions regarding how much the State Department told Roosevelt about the situation. This paragraph summarizes some of what appeared in the PBS documentary. |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Sat Jul 19 09:49:50 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 18 20:08:06 2014. You shall not detest an EdomiteNo, you shall call upon the LORD to do your detesting for you: Remember, O Lord, against the Edomites the day of Jerusalem, how they said, “Lay it bare, lay it bare, down to its foundations!” O daughter of Babylon, doomed to be destroyed, blessed shall he be who repays you with what you have done to us! Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock! — Psalm 137.7-9 |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Sat Jul 19 09:52:57 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jul 18 19:33:01 2014. The Torah does not support an isolationist immigration policySome of the Ketuvim think the Torah does though: And Shecaniah the son of Jehiel, of the sons of Elam, addressed Ezra: “We have broken faith with our God and have married foreign women from the peoples of the land, but even now there is hope for Israel in spite of this. Therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all these wives and their children, according to the counsel of my lord and of those who tremble at the commandment of our God, and let it be done according to the Law. Arise, for it is your task, and we are with you; be strong and do it.” — Ezra 10.2-4 |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 19 10:23:54 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jul 18 21:37:34 2014. I know that. This thread was not directed toward him. |
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Posted by displaced angeleno on Sat Jul 19 10:53:11 2014, in response to Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Jul 18 19:10:32 2014. I've voted Democratic plenty of times (and Republican a few), but can't remember once voting Democrat. I'm not familiar with that party. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 19 11:07:17 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by displaced angeleno on Sat Jul 19 10:53:11 2014. I think republicans are grammaticaly challenged. Someone must have told them it's like math or science. Let them present themselves as the ignoramouses they are. They won't change, conservative types cannot recognize or handle change. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 19 11:09:47 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 19 10:23:54 2014. Like most of your threads. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 19 11:23:42 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Jul 19 07:29:35 2014. The war would have been over sooner, so yeah. Then again, had the US stayed out of it for a few more years, they would have run out of Jews.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 19 11:53:22 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Jul 19 07:29:35 2014. It's easy to read a history book and say what we should have done— as long as we're doing that, we might as well point out that Hitler probably wouldn't have risen to power had the Allies not screwed Germany under the Treaty of Versailles, and he wouldn't have been in a position to wage a war if the Allies hadn't been willing to let him build up Germany's army and then take territory unchallenged. For that matter, the Treaty of Versailles (and World War 1) never would have happened if people saw the potential consequences of having a massive web of alliances or if governments were willing to investigate the facts behind a murder before assuming that an entire country was responsible for it and declaring war.Did anybody in America in 1939 know the Holocaust was going to happen? Just because a few million deaths are impossible to ignore doesn't mean they were easy to predict before they happened. The simple fact is that a coordinated genocide campaign on such a massive scale was essentially unthinkable— soldiers liberating the camps were ordered to take photos because otherwise people wouldn't believe the reports that it had happened, so why assume they'd predict it would happen? If you asked me in 1999, I would refuse to believe that America's government would be torturing political prisoners within my lifetime, let alone within a few years. As such, I can hardly blame people in 1939 for refusing to believe that Germany's government would organise the murders of millions of people within a few years. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 19 11:53:41 2014, in response to Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Jul 18 19:10:32 2014. Hm, let me think about that for a moment. Why would Jews refuse to vote for the party that openly endorses Christian supremacy and promotes antisemitism and instead choose to vote for the party that generally doesn't? That's a tough question.As for your article itself— American Jews overwhelmingly tend to vote Democrat... Strike one. Referring to the Democratic Party as the "Democrat Party" is a shibboleth of the extreme right. Almost no one who says it ever goes on to say anything worthwhile. ...for one simple reason: they see the choice as being between 1) the Democrats and their belief in nothing... Strike two. Referring to the Democrats as "believing in nothing" shows a mind-boggling level of ignorance. In fact, the Democratic Party is at least somewhat of an open tent— the people who control the party share most of the same right-wing ideology as the Republicans, but centrists and even liberals are allowed to put a "D" next to their names as well. ...versus 2) the Republicans and their beliefs based on their Christian faith and heritage. Given that choice, then, rather than side with people of faith – which they see as a different and potentially antagonistic belief system... Strike three. Completely ignoring the history of Christian antisemitism, the myth that Jews killed Jesus (which is somehow supposed to be a bad thing, despite Jesus dying being a good thing), the pogroms and the fucking Holocaust in favour of declaring that, well, they totes believe in a magic man too so we're all big one happy family. Chicagomotorman, that is the most antisemitic article I've seen today. I'm offended at the article and at how dumb you must be to take it seriously. If it manages to redeem itself six paragraphs in, feel free to post the relevant bit— I'm not betting on it, so I have no intention to wade through such a vast pile of bullshit. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Jul 19 12:22:09 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 19 11:07:17 2014. Ah the name calling. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 19 12:33:53 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 19 11:07:17 2014. Where's the "name calling"?An ignoramus is an ignoramus. That's a fact. That's not like calling another "shithead". That's a "name". If one insists on using poor grammar they will come off like an ignoramus. THIW |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 19 12:53:44 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 19 12:33:53 2014. Yes, but pointing out facts that a conservative finds inconvenient is the same thing as calling him names. You really need to watch your tone. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 19 13:04:09 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 19 12:53:44 2014. Or likely just plain tone deaf. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 19 13:05:25 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Jul 19 07:32:31 2014. What on earth are you going on about? Stop spewing liberal talking points and total bullshit.We have immigration laws already, which do not exclude people from coming here via a legal process. Non-enforcement of them is the problem. No nation has ever survived having its borders opened—that is a simple lesson from history. As for "benefits", again, there is nothing in the Torah about the government forcing people to provide them. Charity is another matter. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sat Jul 19 13:10:57 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 19 13:05:25 2014. There is nothing in the Torah saying government shouldn't provide it when charity is insufficient. Also what do you propose doing with those here already? The Torah appears to say that they are entitled to benefits |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 19 13:11:24 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 19 13:05:25 2014. The population and technology has gone a bit beyond the tribal structures of Biblical times. In this (and the last) people have used government to ensure all those in need are reached, and their needs are met. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 19 13:13:20 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 19 02:05:11 2014. You have it so backwards it's not funny.Projecting again, I see. How goes that? Are you trying to convince people that the Torah is anti-family, anti-freedom of religion... War is peace. Freedom is slavery. "You shall have no gods but me" is freedom of religion. Only libertarians and Democrats are isolationist. Lolwut? And there is nothing about state control over welfare or health care in the Torah either. Gee, a book written thousands of years ago doesn't talk about enlightened modern concepts? You don't say! Nice to know you reject modern society, though. I'm sure you can find an isolated chunk of land you can live on and pretend liberal inventions like medicine and internet don't exist. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 19 13:14:29 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 19 13:11:24 2014. You mean society itself has CHANGED??! Olog rejects such liberal nonsense! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 19 13:26:57 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democratic?, posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 19 13:13:20 2014. Alas, no ... The coelacanths tossed him off the island many many moons ago. Too much noise. :) |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 19 13:31:13 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democratic?, posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 19 13:14:29 2014. LOL! Of course he does. conservative types can't comprehend change. If it isn't in their pocket, of course. |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Sat Jul 19 13:38:49 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote DemocratIC?, posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 19 11:53:41 2014. "American Jews overwhelmingly tend to vote Democrat..."Strike one. Referring to the Democratic Party as the "Democrat Party" is a shibboleth of the extreme right. Strike one. But it doesn't say "American Jews overwhelmingly tend to vote Democrat Party"; it says "American Jews overwhelmingly tend to vote Democrat". You are addressing an issue that isn't the one at hand. Strike two. "Vote Democrat(ic) Party" isn't English. Strike three. "Vote Democrat" is much more common than "Vote Democratic" by a margin of over two to one (Google's current numbers are 634,000 to 398,000). This isn't as marginal a usage as you think. Strike four. The vast majority of image results for "vote Democrat" seem to have been made by supporters of the Democratic Party. Therefore your allegation that it is right-wingers who use the phrase "vote Democrat" is empirically false. Strike five. Your post's header starts "Posted by Nilet"; this suggests that it is highly likely to be wordy, anal, and comprehensively wrong. At least on this count you have not disappointed. |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Sat Jul 19 13:43:00 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 19 13:11:24 2014. In this (and the last) people have used government to ensure all those in need are reached, and their needs are met.That does not seem to be the vision of government intended by Numbers 11. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jul 19 13:56:36 2014, in response to Re: Why Does Nilet Vote DemocratIC, when ~49% of Americans vote Democrat?, posted by kew gardens teleport on Sat Jul 19 13:38:49 2014. Strike three. "Vote Democrat" is much more common than "Vote Democratic" by a margin of over two to one (Google's current numbers are 634,000 to 398,000). This isn't as marginal a usage as you think.The standard right wing usage is to use Democrat as an adjective, as in the Democrat Party. Using it as an adverb, as in vote Democrat, is less frequently used as a right wing mannerism. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 19 14:39:18 2014, in response to Re: Why Does Nilet Vote DemocratIC, when ~49% of Americans vote Democrat?, posted by kew gardens teleport on Sat Jul 19 13:38:49 2014. OK, in baseball you're not allowed to count two (let alone five) strikes on the same pitch, so trying to count that many on one line isn't kosher.In reverse order: Your fifth one is a simple ad hominem— I said it, therefore it's wrong, so we'll call that a ball rather than a strike. Your fourth example is inconclusive, since you don't meaningfully distinguish between images created by Democrats and images that aren't, nor do you distinguish those urging people to vote for a specific candidate rather than a general trend— you vote for a Democrat, but you vote for the Democratic Party. That one's also a ball. Your third example compares simple google numbers with absolutely no context, meaning nothing. That's also a ball, not a strike. Your second example misuses English— "vote Democratic" is commonly said, as is "vote for the Democratic Party," and "vote for the Democrat." However, "vote Democrat" (as in "vote for the Democrat Party") is only used by the extreme right. This one is also a ball. I believe at this point, I'm entitled to a free base. I'll take hydroxylamine. However, you also included one more example. Your first example is just a reiteration (or first iteration? preiteration?) of your second, and a misuse of English. So I guess I'm entitled to a free base and a spare ball. That'll come in handy for my next Arkanoid tournament. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Jul 19 14:42:51 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 19 12:33:53 2014. You're being subjective. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Jul 19 14:51:20 2014, in response to Re: Why Do Jews Vote Democrat?, posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 19 12:53:44 2014. Wow! You actually said something sensible. This can't be Nilet. This must be an imposter. |
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