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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 31 02:00:30 2014 fiogf49gjkf0d VA medical is a mess. Proof of how well a 'single payer' system run by democrats will work!
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Sat May 31 02:05:16 2014, in response to Shinseki "Resigns", posted by Train Dude on Sat May 31 02:00:30 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Actually, proof of what happens when YOUR friends failed to fund it properly. Can't wait for the GOP to trot this horse out to the arena. :)
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat May 31 02:11:03 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 31 02:05:16 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d LIE! The VA has averaged a $500 million surplus for the last 4 years. This is what happens when incompetent liberal democrats don't know how to manage a program. Another inconvenient truth....... Any more idiotic comments?
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat May 31 02:14:16 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sat May 31 02:11:03 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Wrong story link
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat May 31 02:17:06 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sat May 31 02:14:16 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Correct link
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Posted by Nilet* on Sat May 31 02:20:32 2014, in response to Shinseki "Resigns", posted by Train Dude on Sat May 31 02:00:30 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Most every first world country has a single-payer health care system, and they're all much better than our current mess. So are you trying to argue that America is inherently inferior? That it just can't possibly do as well as Canada? Or maybe you just forgot that medicare exists.
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Posted by Nilet* on Sat May 31 02:21:16 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sat May 31 02:17:06 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Invalid. Fox is not a legitimate source.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Sat May 31 02:22:24 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Nilet on Sat May 31 02:21:16 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d That makes no sense. Of course Fox is a legit source.
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Posted by Nilet* on Sat May 31 02:24:10 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 31 02:22:24 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Nope. If Rupert Murdoch says the sky is blue, you'd better double check.
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Sat May 31 02:24:59 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sat May 31 02:11:03 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Nope ... you just made more than enough right there.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat May 31 02:25:10 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Nilet on Sat May 31 02:20:32 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Maybe you just don't understand ho well Medicare works.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat May 31 02:25:42 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Nilet on Sat May 31 02:21:16 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d End of conversation
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Sat May 31 02:27:48 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sat May 31 02:25:42 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Promise? :)
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Sat May 31 02:29:47 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Nilet on Sat May 31 02:24:10 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d I disagree. There's a difference between Fox News and The Hannity Show. Look at CNN. They have Hilton Perez as a paid guest all the time. It's all a mess. O'Really? CNN. MSLSD. It's prime time is a joke on all channels.
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Posted by Nilet* on Sat May 31 02:42:43 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sat May 31 02:25:10 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d So you're going with the "America is inherently inferior" argument? Don't let ChicagoMotorman hear you! Medicare works a hell of a lot better than private insurance, and it would work a hell of a lot better than it does now if you people would stop trying to sabotage it. If you're trying to claim that the existence of criminals taking advantage of a system means it's "failed," then government and private property are both impossible utopian dreams and we should abolish both. According to your article, Medicare and Medicaid collectively lost $98 billion through fraud. Private insurance companies lost $174 billion— and that's not counting the $11 billion they stole from the health care system in "profits" to pay their parasitical shareholders.
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Posted by Nilet* on Sat May 31 02:43:00 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sat May 31 02:25:42 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Good. Then shut up.
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Posted by Nilet* on Sat May 31 02:44:06 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 31 02:29:47 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Meh. CNN may have been a legitimate news source at one time, but not recently.
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Posted by chicagomotorman* on Sat May 31 05:15:45 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 31 02:27:48 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d I've been ignored by better.
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Posted by chicagomotorman* on Sat May 31 05:17:44 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 31 02:29:47 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Luch why are you ignoring me too?
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Posted by chicagomotorman* on Sat May 31 05:18:48 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 31 02:29:47 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Luch why are you ignoring me too?
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Sat May 31 05:25:11 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 31 05:17:44 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d i did not ignore you.
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Posted by chicagomotorman* on Sat May 31 05:36:45 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 31 05:25:11 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d You never answered me earlier.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Sat May 31 05:40:45 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 31 05:36:45 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d must have missed it. i'm being attacked by Nilet, AlM, salaam, Selkirk, bingbong, and others. I gotta get some sleep. I have a Saturday night date with uber-liberal woman. I hope we get into a fight about abortion and crime.
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Posted by SubwaySurf* on Sat May 31 07:30:17 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 31 05:17:44 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d WHAT? Do you need your friggen blankee? Grow the fuck up, shithead!
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Posted by SubwaySurf* on Sat May 31 07:31:28 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 31 05:36:45 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d WHAT? Do you need your friggen blankee? Grow the fuck up, shithead!
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Posted by chicagomotorman* on Sat May 31 07:59:08 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 31 05:40:45 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d I hope you get laid.
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Posted by chicagomotorman* on Sat May 31 08:00:31 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 31 05:40:45 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d I hope you get laid.
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Posted by bingbong* on Sat May 31 09:16:07 2014, in response to Shinseki "Resigns", posted by Train Dude on Sat May 31 02:00:30 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Okay....so you posted a link about Virginia's surplus....then caught the mistake. What do all the articles on Medicaid and Medicare fraud, which does exist and they're quite good at catching, seeing a constant stream of news about caught fraudsters, do with it? You make no point at all. The topic is the Veterans Administration system. It's independent and underfunded. They can't hire enough doctors. The problem here is Congress. Lose a few unwanted military pork projects and spend the money on vets. Time to meet the existing obligations for once, redboys.
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Posted by Nilet* on Sat May 31 09:28:51 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by bingbong on Sat May 31 09:16:07 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Okay....so you posted a link about Virginia's surplus....then caught the mistake. I'm not sure it was a mistake. I think it was a bait and switch of sorts— offer a link to an article in a respectable source which is irrelevant due to being about a completely different topic, then swap it for an article which is on the correct topic but made irrelevant by being bullshit from a right wing extremist propaganda outlet, and hope we'd inadvertently combine the message of the second link with the respectability of the first. It's a little bit like the mortgage scammers who duped the entire finance industry by selling packages containing 5% legitimate mortgages that would likely be paid off and 95% million-dollar mortgages to junkies that would be defaulted within a few years and using the legitimacy of the former to mask the stench of the latter in a manner so slipshod that it wouldn't fool anyone except the bank CEOs that mtk52983 thinks deserve multi-million dollar salaries for their "success." Lose a few unwanted military pork projects and spend the money on vets. Like the wars? Can we lose the wars? Better yet, let's recover as much of the money already spent on the wars as we can by forcing arms dealers and military contractors who profited from the war to reimburse the government for it. Time to meet the existing obligations for once, redboys. What? But that's the Democrats' job! That's how it works— Republicans get elected, Republicans make a giant mess, Democrats point to the mess and get elected, then the Republicans point to the mess and declare the Democrats haven't cleaned it up fast enough or effectively enough so they should be put back in office. It works really well, though the strategy might be less effective if the Democrats actually made even a cursory effort to try cleaning up the mess.
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Posted by bingbong* on Sat May 31 09:55:18 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Nilet on Sat May 31 09:28:51 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Mistake or not, I prefer to provide enough rope. The bush wars were funded on debt, so ther's no fiscal benefit to ending them. Aside from having our young people home instead of accumulating more debt in extneding the bushwars, There's a large number of unwanted military projects that can be cut to fund the VA. One benefit of ending the bushwars is that the flow of new seriously injured patients will subside. The military needs to be reconfigured to be able to focus on the types of action we see more often now than a massive European war. They know it and everyone else but the redboys know it.
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Sat May 31 09:59:58 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 31 05:40:45 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d The personnal attacks against me, I can take. But when it involes my parents, that is over the line. And apparently, even though I do respect Selkirk and Bingbong, it disturbs me that they condone such behavior. I am not here unlike you to win or lose, but I'm afraid that a certain indivisual has won. He is uncouth, has a potty mouth, and is very articulate. He has won. I'm not so pissed at him, as I am for the others here that condone such things. Namely Selkirk and Bingbong.
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Posted by bingbong* on Sat May 31 10:05:28 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat May 31 09:59:58 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d I do not condone such behavior but choose not to get involved. The two of you need to resolve this.
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Sat May 31 10:08:50 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by bingbong on Sat May 31 10:05:28 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Thank you Bingbong. Good enough. Have a good day.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat May 31 10:55:03 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 31 02:22:24 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d That makes no sense But did he "w1n"?
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat May 31 10:55:58 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sat May 31 02:25:10 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d He's gotta work on understanding the world, first.
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Posted by bingbong* on Sat May 31 10:59:32 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 31 10:55:58 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d LOL! Your respondent there needs to undrstand how a thread works first.
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Posted by Nilet* on Sat May 31 11:10:04 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by bingbong on Sat May 31 09:55:18 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Yeah, but if they admit that the Soviet Union collapsed, then they have no reason to exist!
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Posted by Nilet* on Sat May 31 11:22:47 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 31 10:55:58 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d OK, why don't you help me out with that? Start by explaining why you support segregation. Then tell me about how all leaders have a divine right to rule. Next, you can explain how smallpox is still a major worldwide problem, which is covered up by a UN conspiracy. Then you can tell me how everything in the 21st century was evil. And since I've clearly been bamboozled by the influence of big government, you can then tell me what form of government you would endorse, in more detail than "small," if you please. I eagerly await your instruction, O Great Educator!
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Posted by bingbong* on Sat May 31 11:22:54 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Nilet on Sat May 31 11:10:04 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Yes and no. I'd love to think we don't need an army anymore yet reality lies in the face of that. At the same time, the world has changed and we need to reconfigure our priorities in keeping with the changes.
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Posted by Nilet* on Sat May 31 11:25:34 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by bingbong on Sat May 31 11:22:54 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Considering that we spend more on our military than every other country in the world combined, I think there's plenty of room for cuts. In fact, there's not a lot of room for military. Conventional wars are more or less obsolete; today's threats come from hackers, economic approaches, and criminals, none of which can be solved by sending soldiers to occupy them.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat May 31 11:30:37 2014, in response to Shinseki "Resigns", posted by Train Dude on Sat May 31 02:00:30 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Even the AP is finding it hard to cover for the POTUS. (They were so wishing that this would have happened under a GOP presidency, so much so that they keep trying to play the "blame Bush" card.) Analysis: Shinseki exit breaks Obama's crisis mold By Jim Kuhnhenn May 31, 2014 11:06 AM EDT This was not in the Barack Obama playbook. The resignation of Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki on Friday did not follow the usual arc of a crisis in the Obama administration. Obama prefers to not get sucked into a drama and cede in the heat of the moment. He'd rather send in fixers and have the bloodletting occur in due course. Shinseki, however, tendered his resignation at the height of a political clamor for his departure and as revelations of systemic delays in veterans' patient care mounted daily. Shinseki left even before the review Obama had ordered of the department's problems was completed. For Obama, there was little doubt that his decision to let Shinseki go was painful. "He is a very good man," Obama said of the former four-star Army general and Vietnam veteran. "I don't just mean he's an accomplished man. I don't just mean that he's been an outstanding soldier. He's a good person who's done exemplary work on our behalf." In this crisis, it became clear to the White House that the solution to the problems identified in news accounts and in a damning report from the VA's inspector general were endemic and would take time to turn around, let alone correct. That's what set it apart the spectacularly bad launch of healthcare.gov. Kathleen Sebelius stayed on as head of the Department of Health and Human Services until April, seven months after that fumbling start. But that was a website problem caused by poorly designed technology. It was fixable in the short-term and in the end sign-ups exceeded projections. The path for Shinseki's exit was laid a week ago when Obama told reporters that if Shinseki "does not think he can do a good job on this and if he thinks he has let our veterans down, then I'm sure that he is not going to be interested in continuing to serve." On Wednesday, White House chief of staff Denis McDonough notified Obama of the scathing inspector general's report as Obama flew back on Air Force One from West Point, New York, where he had just delivered a foreign policy address. The VA inspector general's report and a preliminary review by Shinseki himself depicted the problems as widespread. The inspector general's report offered another troubling observation: The issues went back nearly a decade, before Obama's presidency. That's hardly a comfort for Obama and his beleaguered White House. Obama served on the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee that reviewed those inspector general studies. He ran for president in 2008 with a promise to improve the delivery of benefits for veterans. His wife has made helping veterans and their families a priority. Last week, Obama called the care of veterans "one of the causes of my presidency." What's more, as Obama brings more than a decade of wars to an end, he has made a point of telling returning soldiers that they deserve the care and benefits of a grateful nation. Those returning servicemen and women, many with physical or mental wounds, have put additional strains on the VA's health care system. The inspector general, examining the troubled VA health care system in Phoenix, found that about 1,700 veterans in need of care were "at risk of being lost or forgotten" after being kept off an official waiting list. That came after allegations that as many as 40 veterans may have died while awaiting care at the agency's Phoenix facilities. For a president who lists veterans as a priority, that suggests a massive failure. Beyond that, the crisis draws attention to another Obama priority - health care. It raises further doubts about the government's ability to deliver on the president's principal legislative achievement. Shinseki's exit hardly resolves those lingering problems. But it does let the White House, for the moment, turn a page, manage a crisis and quiet an election-year din.
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com* on Sat May 31 11:31:57 2014, in response to Shinseki "Resigns", posted by Train Dude on Sat May 31 02:00:30 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d >????????????? zzzzzzzzzzzz
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Posted by bingbong* on Sat May 31 11:34:15 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 31 11:30:37 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d The problem with the VA is they are underfunded and cannot hire enough doctors to meet demand. This falls to the redboys, who cut the funds.
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Posted by Nilet* on Sat May 31 11:42:58 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by bingbong on Sat May 31 11:34:15 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Someone needs to tell that boy that the AP leans so far to the right that they're in danger of falling over. I'd do it myself, but he wouldn't understand me; Olog believes "right-wing" means "European feudalism" and "left-wing" means "exists" so my explanation would just sail straight over his head.
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com* on Sat May 31 12:24:22 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Nilet on Sat May 31 02:21:16 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d lol
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat May 31 12:30:14 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 31 02:27:48 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d No selschmuck. You had that opportunity but you couldn't leave it alone.
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Sat May 31 13:12:15 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sat May 31 12:30:14 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Heh. Poor Trainputz ... gets no respect. ;)
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Sat May 31 13:50:44 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 31 13:12:15 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d I respect him.
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Posted by Edwards!* on Sat May 31 14:20:57 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 31 05:40:45 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Are You okay,bro? heard about the storm you guys had? take care and be safe!
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Posted by Edwards!* on Sat May 31 15:28:04 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat May 31 09:59:58 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Whats This? Are you whining to the board..specifically Kevin and his wife over something I posted? Are you leveling a complaint...after you have said some of the more vicious vile contemptible things to ME than anyone has ever? Are you whining to the board cause you expected some sort of "apology",and didn't get it? You..who choose to take the road you are on..baiting folks with derogatory attacks..offering no apology what so ever..? Think about it.. Treat people with the respect..you receive the same. in either case..YOU MAN UP..stop being a jerk..then perhaps you start receiving the LOVE you are looking for. until then,its whatever.
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