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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 30 21:32:00 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by Dave on Fri May 30 18:44:07 2014. ...and if you believe an overpaid CEO's whining, then I have a bridge you might be interested in purchasing. |
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Re: Olog Demands Government Ban Cars |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 30 21:32:04 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing., posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 30 18:44:37 2014. A "failed business" is one that gets replaced by something that works, dummy.Not necessarily. Some business models are inherently unsustainable. I doubt anyone is going to make money selling used rat corpses, for example. Luckily, the "restaurant" business model is sustainable and what few fast food outlets shut down will be replaced by those which are more efficient. Government interference causing businesses to fold up is government interference, not business failure... There is no government interference in this case, unless you're arguing that there should be no laws at all. ...ask the railroads, which you clearly hate. Look, just because you believe that big government should have outlawed roads, cars, and airplanes in order to protect the railroads from competition doesn't mean I "hate railroads" for accepting the market's judgement. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 30 21:32:08 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 30 21:09:28 2014. Unfortunately our government works on the principle of "one dollar one vote."Not necessarily. A dollar from Verizon appears to buy a lot more influence than a dollar from Google. A dollar from Paramount buys more influence than a dollar from Microsoft. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 30 21:32:10 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing., posted by chicagomotorman on Fri May 30 18:53:23 2014. Olog is an anarchist, but given how much pseudo-communist rhetoric he spews, I call him a communist to piss him off. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri May 30 21:32:20 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 30 21:09:28 2014. It's greed rather than political principle that causes many businessmen to lobby for a low minimum wage. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 30 22:42:32 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by AlM on Fri May 30 21:32:20 2014. I don't consider that to be greed. I call it self-interest. The problem is that a lot of people mistakenly believe that the self-interest of the owner class works is the same as their own. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 30 22:53:13 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 30 21:09:28 2014. The people need to get what is rightfully there's (sic) through their governmentLOL! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 30 22:54:50 2014, in response to Re: Olog Demands Government Ban Cars, posted by Nilet on Fri May 30 21:32:04 2014. LOL! Thanks for admitting you hate trains, by claiming that liking trains is the same as a desire to ban cars. Fake railfan! |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri May 30 23:06:22 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 30 22:42:32 2014. No, that's also motivated by greed. They don't want to give up a single penny if they don't have to.The biggest sin here is the executives that make thousand percentage points more and bonuses than the guy at the fries, then claim poverty when he asks for a raise. Fast food does not want from profitability. If the corporates are robbing the franchisees, then they the need to settle that so franchises run at a reasonale profit, with additional money for better front line workers' pay. The only way to fix this right is top down. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 30 23:21:22 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by bingbong on Fri May 30 23:06:22 2014. No, that's also motivated by greed. They don't want to give up a single penny if they don't have to.What we do know is this: The aristocrats aren't concerned with absolute wealth, but rather, with relative wealth. They oppose increases in wages and benefits that will actually make them richer through increased economic activity, because they would much rather be "rich as opposed to impoverished" than "rich as opposed to middle class." That they'd be richer in the latter case is irrelevant; once you're a billionaire, additional wealth becomes basically meaningless. |
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Re: Olog Hai Admits He's A Communist |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 30 23:23:38 2014, in response to Re: Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 30 22:54:50 2014. Thanks for admitting you're a communist who wants big government to ban cars and airplanes.You've implied it many times before, of course, but it's always nice when you just admit it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 31 00:18:03 2014, in response to Re: Olog Hai Admits He's A Communist, posted by Nilet on Fri May 30 23:23:38 2014. LOL! You're talking about yourself, Kommissar. |
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Re: I work in fast food and I'm not a teenager |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 31 00:31:24 2014, in response to Re: I work in fast food and I'm not a teenager, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri May 30 21:05:38 2014. Nothing is missing. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 31 00:34:40 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by bingbong on Fri May 30 23:06:22 2014. No, that's also motivated by greed. They don't want to give up a single penny if they don't have to.That's the problem. They don't have to. Force is the only solution. Stop expecting society to work on generosity. It won't. There should be a maximum wage law. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat May 31 00:39:58 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 31 00:34:40 2014. What gave you the idea that I thought generosity ever came into the equation. That it's not in the picture is why we need to raise the minimum wage. And I agree with the maximum wage law as well. The top executive should earn a fixed percentage above what the lwest paid employeenearns, like they do in Europe. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat May 31 01:53:43 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 31 00:18:03 2014. You're too silly! :)You demanded that the government outlaw roads, cars, and airplanes in order to protect the railroads from competition and accused me of hating trains because I accepted the free market's decision but now you claim I'm a communist? Let me guess, someone once told you that "communist" was a bad thing, and you've been using it as an insult ever since, but you don't actually know what the word means. Why don't you define it for me? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat May 31 01:56:07 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by bingbong on Sat May 31 00:39:58 2014. The top executive should earn a fixed percentage above what the lwest paid employeenearns, like they do in Europe.I prefer to phrase it as "the minimum wage is $12/hour or 4% of what the CEO makes, whichever is greater" and let that keep executive compensation firmly tethered to Earth. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 31 02:01:57 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by Nilet on Sat May 31 01:56:07 2014. tetheredyou use big vocabulary words. must have scored in top 5%entile on SAT. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat May 31 02:18:11 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 31 02:01:57 2014. That's hardly a big word. |
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Re: With the higher minimum wage, we should try again to eliminate the penny... |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Sat May 31 03:21:36 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, we should try again to eliminate the penny..., posted by Dave on Sat May 3 20:41:52 2014. The admiralty works for General Dynamics, ASSHOLE. We can't afford TexASS macho STUPID. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat May 31 07:06:30 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, we should try again to eliminate the penny..., posted by Rockparkman on Sat May 31 03:21:36 2014. You really should have your meds checked. |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Sat May 31 07:40:19 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by bingbong on Fri May 30 18:26:53 2014. Personally, I think the lightbulb is defective from the factory and will never turn on. 8-) |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Sat May 31 07:41:00 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri May 30 18:25:06 2014. Personally, I think the lightbulb is defective from the factory and will never turn on. 8-) |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Sat May 31 07:41:41 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri May 30 18:25:06 2014. Personally, I think the lightbulb is defective from the factory and will never turn on. 8-) |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 31 08:14:01 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by Nilet on Sat May 31 01:56:07 2014. You do realize in that calculation if a CEO works 50 hours a week for 52 weeks a year that means if his/her salary exceeds $780,000 then the minimum wage will exceed $12/hour. How do you factor in fringe benefits? With the instability of being CEO and all of the pressure you face who in their right mind would want a job that will pay less than a tenth of what some CEO's are paid today? Way to punish people because they are successful |
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Re: With the higher minimum wage, we should try again to eliminate the penny... |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sat May 31 08:25:56 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, we should try again to eliminate the penny..., posted by Dave on Sat May 31 07:06:30 2014. Go away, Tex. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 31 08:33:00 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, we should try again to eliminate the penny..., posted by RockParkMan on Sat May 31 08:25:56 2014. You first. I hear China, North Korea and Cuba, among others, have political system that you approve of |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat May 31 08:49:58 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by LuchAAA on Sat May 31 02:01:57 2014. Hahaha!!!! |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat May 31 09:11:45 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 31 08:14:01 2014. You do realize in that calculation if a CEO works 50 hours a week for 52 weeks a year that means if his/her salary exceeds $780,000 then the minimum wage will exceed $12/hour.Then let it. How do you factor in fringe benefits? Count them. With the instability of being CEO and all of the pressure you face who in their right mind would want a job that will pay less than a tenth of what some CEO's are paid today? All the CEOs of the past before wealth disparity was so dramatic? All the CEOs in other countries where wealth disparity isn't so dramatic? All the people trying to live on less than three quarters of a million dollars per year, and possibly trying to pay off student loans on salaries that don't even hit six digits? Are you seriously telling me that no one is willing to take a job that pays $780,000 per year or $300 per hour? I'd do it in an instant. Way to punish people because they are successful. Right, because the CEOs of AIG and Goldman Sachs who lost so much money on stupid investments that the government had to bail out their companies at taxpayer expense were "successful." The CEO of General Motors, which required a government bailout, was "successful." The CEOs of the insurance companies that make our health care system the worst in the reasonably developed world are "successful." The CEOs of all the entertainment companies that are trying to cripple technology and the internet to sustain an obsolete business model because they're too scared to keep up with the times are "successful." You can make the point that they're all successful at something— the banks get a system where they make investments by throwing darts at a wall and then keep the profits while forcing the government to eat the losses, General Motors gets to suck on corporate welfare, the insurance companies have been very successful at keeping our health care system broken and expensive so they could continue to steal money from it, and the entertainment companies have been extremely successful at keeping technology legally crippled because they're scared the internet will steal their souls, but none of those things justify multi-million dollar compensation packages. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat May 31 10:26:38 2014, in response to Re: I work in fast food and I'm not a teenager, posted by Nilet on Fri May 30 18:03:27 2014. "Politicians for failing to raise the minimum wage." Believe it or not, here is where I deflect from the conservative agenda. Fast food workers work their butts off, and they deserve to have the minimum wage raised, and should be raised annulally commensurate with inflation."Bankers for crashing the economy." The reason they crashed the economy, was because they were forced to give mortgages to people who couldn't afford them. "Billionaires for stealing money." All billionaires steal money? But the main reason are the foreigners, especially the illegals. When I was in high school I used to work at a Burger King, where a lot of teenagers worked. Today, those jobs are going to the foreigners. You never see high school kids working there anymore. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 31 11:08:33 2014, in response to Re: I work in fast food and I'm not a teenager, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat May 31 10:26:38 2014. That is false. I see a lot of "natives" working in fast food and very few people who I think are foreigners. There are both high school kids and older people.I think the decline in high school kids taking the work is because of the increased number of adults doing the work. Adults are better workers and will be more readily hired. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat May 31 11:11:01 2014, in response to Re: I work in fast food and I'm not a teenager, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 31 11:08:33 2014. Let's also account for labor laws. No fast food joint will have students working while school is in session. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat May 31 11:29:36 2014, in response to Re: I work in fast food and I'm not a teenager, posted by bingbong on Sat May 31 11:11:01 2014. I worked at Buger King part time while in high school. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat May 31 11:30:53 2014, in response to Re: I work in fast food and I'm not a teenager, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 31 11:08:33 2014. A lot fewer HS kids are working today. How else will a young adult learn work ethic? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 31 11:39:41 2014, in response to Re: I work in fast food and I'm not a teenager, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat May 31 11:30:53 2014. Which as I pointed out in another paragraph, is caused by those jobs being taken by older people who previously would have had a better job. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 31 12:04:37 2014, in response to Re: I work in fast food and I'm not a teenager, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 31 11:39:41 2014. I understand. And its sad that it has come to this in our country. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat May 31 12:33:03 2014, in response to Re: I work in fast food and I'm not a teenager, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat May 31 10:26:38 2014. I rarely see foreigners working in fast food. |
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Posted by vfrt on Sat May 31 12:52:32 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri May 30 18:24:05 2014. Fast food jobs were never meant as careers. Raise wages too much and wealthy franchisees will invest in something else or automate on a large scale.http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2013/08/28/216541023/the-fast-food-restaurants-that-require-few-human-workers http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/going-out-guide/wp/2013/11/08/bolt-burgers-the-most-high-tech-burger-youll-ever-order-coming-soon/ |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat May 31 12:57:40 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by vfrt on Sat May 31 12:52:32 2014. Well they are now. Gonna do something about it? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat May 31 13:03:41 2014, in response to Re: I work in fast food and I'm not a teenager, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat May 31 12:33:03 2014. Where do you live? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat May 31 13:34:59 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri May 30 15:59:01 2014. Yes and those that survive will further automate. People can order on screens and pay. You don't need all the workers in hen it gets too expensive to hire. |
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Posted by vfrt on Sat May 31 13:45:49 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by bingbong on Sat May 31 12:57:40 2014. Did you read those articles on how more and more automation is coming to the fast food industry? That's my point. As poor as these jobs may be they are in the process of being eliminated. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat May 31 14:02:18 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat May 31 13:34:59 2014. Yes and those that survive will further automateGiven that we've automated all sorts of jobs already, why is now magically the job of fast-food retailers to employ people at low wages? Admittedly, I understand some of the arguments that people have for raising the minimum wage, but I've never understood when business oriented, right-ward leaning people pass innovation off as a terrible thing. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 31 14:23:47 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat May 31 14:02:18 2014. Good post. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat May 31 15:05:50 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat May 31 14:02:18 2014. It's change. It's progress. Chances are they don't own it.The RW can't handle progress of any type. They want it to remain (enter choice of year or era in the past) forever. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat May 31 19:31:43 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by vfrt on Sat May 31 13:45:49 2014. If automation is cheaper than workers, it'll replace workers regardless of the minimum wage.Although it would actually be kind of cool to see automats return. |
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Posted by vfrt on Sat May 31 19:41:07 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by Nilet on Sat May 31 19:31:43 2014. the automation equipment is new and expensive right now. But in a few years it will of course be cheaper. Then someone will hack into the system and order 1300 Whoppers to go. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat May 31 20:46:20 2014, in response to Re: With the higher minimum wage, restaurants are closing, posted by vfrt on Sat May 31 19:41:07 2014. During my recent cross country trip I found one of the oldest fast food chains in the country (In Columbus, OH) had begun to automate their ordering process. We found the same in Joplin, MO. It's happening. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat May 31 23:00:00 2014, in response to Re: I work in fast food and I'm not a teenager, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat May 31 12:04:37 2014. It's going to get worse.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Jun 1 03:55:44 2014, in response to Re: I work in fast food and I'm not a teenager, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat May 31 10:26:38 2014. "Politicians for failing to raise the minimum wage." Believe it or not, here is where I deflect from the conservative agenda. Fast food workers work their butts off, and they deserve to have the minimum wage raised, and should be raised annulally commensurate with inflation.Ah good. "Bankers for crashing the economy." The reason they crashed the economy, was because they were forced to give mortgages to people who couldn't afford them. No one "forced" anyone to do anything. Scammers gave mortgages to people who couldn't afford them and then immediately sold the mortgages to banks for a profit. The banks bought the mortgages because the scammers had made at least a cursory effort to hide how bad they were, and being the CEO of a bank clearly doesn't require any actual financial expertise. Then the mortgages were defaulted. The banks lost billions of dollars and the government had to bail them out because they were "too big to fail." The scammers who issued, repackaged, and resold the mortgages walked away with massive ill-gotten profits, but the government couldn't prosecute them for fraud because THAT'S SOCIALISM! "Billionaires for stealing money." All billionaires steal money? It's simply not possible to earn a billion dollars, so they must have gotten it from somewhere. But the main reason are the foreigners, especially the illegals. When I was in high school I used to work at a Burger King, where a lot of teenagers worked. Today, those jobs are going to the foreigners. You never see high school kids working there anymore. There are fewer high school kids working there because of the lousy economy— all those jobs have gone to people with college degrees, or at minimum, considerable work experience. I'm eagerly awaiting your explanation for how you can determine somebody's national origin and immigration status by looking at them. Until then, I'll assume you meant "adults" and "college graduates" and accidentally typed "foreigners" and "illegals" because your mind wandered while you were posting. |
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