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Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Mar 29 18:05:02 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 12:51:27 2014. It was already safe. What this law will do is for e a large number of women in Texass to take their needs underground, adding unnecessary risk to what should be safe legal and avilable. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 29 18:08:43 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Mar 28 21:21:56 2014. No it's not, religion is neither the basis nor is it even mentioned anywhere in the laws. Sad laws were adopted in response to the Kermit Gosnell horror show. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 29 18:08:44 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Mar 28 21:21:56 2014. No it's not, religion is neither the basis nor is it even mentioned anywhere in the laws. Sad laws were adopted in response to the Kermit Gosnell horror show. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 29 18:10:25 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by DAnD124 on Fri Mar 28 22:52:58 2014. To prevent what happened with Gosnell in Philly from happening in Texas.I understand the law's major proponents are pro-life. That has no standing on these specific laws. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 29 18:13:05 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 12:51:27 2014. You are making deliberately misleading statements. I said, "There is no evidence that the existing rules in Texas have led to deaths or unsafe abortions. " |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 29 18:16:13 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 28 20:54:35 2014. Not that familiar with Texas politics, are we? |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 29 18:20:34 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 13:12:07 2014. As horrific as Gosnell was, I think he's an anomaly. I too want abortions to be safe but think the unintended consequence of this law will be driving people to quacks like Gosnell or just doing the job themselves.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 29 18:30:30 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Dave on Sat Mar 29 15:05:42 2014. Yep ... obviously no problem there. :-\ |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 29 18:38:54 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 29 18:13:05 2014. They've already shape-shifted into Gosnell now. So can't wait for the list of hospitals that their doctors can serve their patients at, in-network since that's a real issue to republicans. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 18:40:26 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by bingbong on Sat Mar 29 18:05:02 2014. I'll bet you are as sure of this as you were about BMW leaving south Carolina. When will you get it? You are just not as bright as you think you are. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 18:45:16 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 29 18:38:54 2014. The same gosnell who your dumb-ass wife said did nothing wrong. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 29 18:46:18 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 18:45:16 2014. Wow ... looks like YOUR dumbass wife forgot to lock your cage. I'll call the animal warden. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 18:47:31 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 29 18:20:34 2014. I think like most industries that face increased regulation, the abortion industry will just comply with the new regulations in Texas and business will go on as before. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 18:52:40 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 29 18:46:18 2014. Nice try shemp but it was your ass hole wife that said THIS !! |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Mar 29 18:55:59 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 13:51:02 2014. When clinics close their doors the medical care they provided isA) still available, come on in B) gone C) none of the above These requirements do nothing but force many poor women to A) go to Mexico for quinine and live with its attendant risks B) go to Mexico for misoprostol and live with its attendant risks C) find a coathanger |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Mar 29 18:56:59 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Mar 29 13:17:02 2014. EEG is measurable around 26-27 weeks. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 29 18:58:46 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 18:52:40 2014. Good for you. Now if only you could research some of the shit you post. "Renal failure?" Try again, Curly. LOL |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Mar 29 19:00:09 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Mar 29 13:59:38 2014. Especially in gun crazed Texass, where the right to life ends at birth. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Mar 29 19:02:56 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 14:05:09 2014. What exactly is the number of women who died from a legal abortion.Note it's fewer than those murdered by domestic terrorists that target women & women's healthcare. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Mar 29 19:03:45 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 14:34:51 2014. Over 30, IIRC. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Mar 29 19:04:01 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 14:34:51 2014. Cite your source. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Mar 29 19:05:18 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 14:35:56 2014. Oh yes there is. This conversation needs an adult and that isn't you. It also requires a female. That isn't you. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 29 19:10:31 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 18:45:16 2014. ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 29 19:10:48 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 29 18:46:18 2014. oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 19:18:11 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by bingbong on Sat Mar 29 19:05:18 2014. Well if we are discussing functional adult females, that leaves you out of the conversation |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 29 19:22:40 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 18:47:31 2014. Not sure about Texas, but in other states where clinics gave been forced to have doctors with admitting privileges to continue to operate, no hospital has been willing to give them admitting privileges. This shows me the Republicans knew exactly what the consequences of their new rules were. And in those other states, most clinics are closing down.Hey, aren't conservatives opposed to burdensome regulations??? |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Mar 29 19:23:11 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 14:50:20 2014. You have no idea what I understand since you never took the effort to read anything I write. Otherwise you wouldn't be spreading lies about me. Do remember you have plenty to lose. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 29 19:24:28 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Dave on Sat Mar 29 15:05:42 2014. Exactly. I see no reply from TD. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Mar 29 19:33:57 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 29 19:24:28 2014. nope !lol |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Mar 29 19:42:27 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 18:40:26 2014. It's not just I that is saying this....from Planned Parenthood to Guttmacher to the women potentially involved themselves, they all say a trip to Mexico is the first likely alternative to an even longer trip to one of the remaining 6 centers (and who's to say 6 locations can handle all the requests for healthcare, much less in a timely manner which is crucial here) plus several days since there's a waiting period and other obstacles before getting a procedure (over 2 days if medical as the modern single pill FDA approved regimen is also banned by this heinous law). |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Mar 29 19:43:51 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 29 18:08:43 2014. No they weren't. This particular bill had been kicking around long before Gosnell happened. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Mar 29 19:46:32 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 29 18:08:44 2014. The Texass legislature meets every 2 ( that's TWO) years. Tis was kicking around for a long time. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 29 19:52:33 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 14:34:51 2014. Yes, 9 women died from complications from legal abortions in 2009. There were 1.16 million legal abortions that year. That is a death rate of 1 in 128,889.Source: http://www.abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/ There don't seem to be good stats for deaths from tooth extraction per se. But it appears the rate of death for patients sedated for dentistry each year is 1 in 350,000. Assuming some of these cases did not involve extractions, then the rate for extractions is lower. So, less than for abortion, but not by an order of magnitude. However, the death rate for anesthesia during hospital operating room stays generally is 1 in 100,000. This is worse than the rate for abortions. Source: http://dentistry.about.com/od/dentalprocedures/a/teendies.htm From this I conclude that the risk of death from legal abortion does not justify the draconian regulations being imposed by supposed anti-regulatory Republicans on the abortion clinics. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Mar 29 19:52:46 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 19:18:11 2014. Wrong. However, we have no need for geldings in the conversation, so please leave. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Mar 29 19:54:45 2014, in response to Some Stats --Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 29 19:52:33 2014. Note: post procedural infection does account for the slightly higher than your stats show for extraction related deaths. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 29 19:56:03 2014, in response to Re: Some Stats --Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by bingbong on Sat Mar 29 19:54:45 2014. OK, noted. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 29 20:03:02 2014, in response to Some Stats --Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 29 19:52:33 2014. Again, are you pro-abortion? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 29 20:12:30 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 29 18:08:43 2014. They're obviously not going to mention religion as otherwise the law would be unconstitutional on its face. They're not stupid.New laws weren't necessary in response to Kermit Gosnell. What he did was already a crime and he was duly convicted under existing laws. And that wasn't even the same state. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 29 20:14:27 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Mar 29 10:47:47 2014. Note that when abortion was illegal it was always a separate crime. No one who was convicted of an abortion was ever convicted of murder, except perhaps if the patient getting the abortion died. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 29 20:15:48 2014, in response to Re: Some Stats --Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 29 20:03:02 2014. I am pro-choice. No one is pro-abortion. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 29 20:16:58 2014, in response to Re: Some Stats --Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 29 20:15:48 2014. Pro-choice=pro murder. But I do respect you staying within the liberal agenda. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 29 20:17:29 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 29 20:12:30 2014. IAWTP. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 29 20:19:03 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 13:54:24 2014. Not. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 29 20:19:06 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 29 20:17:29 2014. So you do not condone the actions of Kermit Gosnell? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 29 20:19:44 2014, in response to Re: Some Stats --Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 29 20:16:58 2014. A early-term fetus is not a human being. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 29 20:20:17 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 29 20:19:06 2014. Of course not. No one does. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 29 20:23:42 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by bingbong on Sat Mar 29 10:26:30 2014. Citizenship has nothing to do with it. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 29 20:24:02 2014, in response to Re: Some Stats --Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 29 20:19:44 2014. Again, I respect you for staing within the liberal agenda. Abortion does affect the father too. I ought to know. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Mar 29 20:24:52 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 29 20:20:17 2014. I am pleasantly surprised. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 29 20:25:18 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 29 12:32:14 2014. It is not the place of the government to base any law on anyone's religious beliefs. |
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