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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 20:58:11 2014 link here |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Mar 7 21:04:25 2014, in response to Malaysian Airlines Says Plane With 239 Is Missing, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 20:58:11 2014. The article says, "The 777 has not had a fatal crash in its 20 year history until the Asiana crash in San Francisco in July 2014.". Well duh, July 2014 hasn't happened yet!! |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Mar 7 21:29:24 2014, in response to Re: Malaysian Airlines Says Plane With 239 Is Missing, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Mar 7 21:04:25 2014. Well, I see they edited it and corrected it to 2013. |
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Posted by DAnD124 on Fri Mar 7 21:32:00 2014, in response to Malaysian Airlines Says Plane With 239 Is Missing, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 20:58:11 2014. http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b&opt=0 |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 7 21:39:55 2014, in response to Malaysian Airlines Says Plane With 239 Is Missing, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 20:58:11 2014. |
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Posted by pd11604 on Fri Mar 7 22:57:22 2014, in response to Malaysian Airlines Says Plane With 239 Is Missing, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 20:58:11 2014. My thoughts and prayers to the loved ones on board and on the ground...photos |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Mar 7 23:28:52 2014, in response to Malaysian Airlines Says Plane With 239 Is Missing, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 20:58:11 2014. http://avherald.com/h?comment=4710c69b&opt=0Reportedly, the plane, a Boeing 777-2H6ER (H6 is Malaysia Airlines' customer code) that was 12 years old (registration #9M-MRO) took a steep dive over the Gulf of Thailand---where all contact was lost. If the plane crashed, it likely crashed into the Gulf of Thailand. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 8 00:29:51 2014, in response to Re: Malaysian Airlines Says Plane With 239 Is Missing, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Mar 7 23:28:52 2014. The Vietnamese have this plane coming down in the South China Sea, based on last known ADS-B ping from the aircraft. No distress call or ELT signals strongly suggest something catastrophically horrible happened to this flight, of such rapidity that the crew was unable to work the problem. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 8 01:10:32 2014, in response to Malaysian Airlines Says Plane With 239 Is Missing, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 20:58:11 2014. Meanwhile, the AP has the temerity to print a story like this, praising the jet.
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Mar 8 01:31:07 2014, in response to Re: Malaysian Airlines Says Plane With 239 Is Missing, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 8 00:29:51 2014. No distress signal may mean that either there was an intentional action by the cockpit crew or that the plane may have been bombed. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 8 01:32:40 2014, in response to Re: Malaysian Airlines Says Plane With 239 Is Missing, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Mar 8 01:31:07 2014. I'm listening to Coast To Coast and the :30 news break says the Chinese have picked up a signal and are going to the site. |
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Re: Malaysian Airlines Says Plane With 239 has crashed |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Mar 8 01:44:19 2014, in response to Re: Malaysian Airlines Says Plane With 239 Is Missing, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 8 01:32:40 2014. The Vietnamese Navy has confirmed that the plane crashed. I would be surprised if there were any survivors. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 8 01:59:00 2014, in response to Re: Malaysian Airlines Says Plane With 239 Is Missing, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Mar 8 01:31:07 2014. Or perhaps a catastrophic condition that knocked out electrical power. Can't key up a mic if the flight deck is dark. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sat Mar 8 02:05:41 2014, in response to Malaysian Airlines Says Plane With 239 Is Missing, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 20:58:11 2014. According to Vietnam Navy Admiral Ngo Van Phat, Commander of the Region 5, military radar recorded that the plane crashed into the sea at a location 153 miles South of Phu Quoc island. |
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Passenger on board Malaysian Airlines jet carrying 239 people 'was using STOLEN Italian passport |
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Posted by DAnD124 on Sat Mar 8 10:07:38 2014, in response to Malaysian Airlines Says Plane With 239 Is Missing, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 20:58:11 2014. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh370-3220170 |
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Multiple Stolen Passports Malaysian Airlines |
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Posted by DAnD124 on Sat Mar 8 10:43:24 2014, in response to Passenger on board Malaysian Airlines jet carrying 239 people 'was using STOLEN Italian passport, posted by DAnD124 on Sat Mar 8 10:07:38 2014. Malaysia is a Muslim country and there is a Islamic separatist in chinahttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/08/malaysian-airlines-plane-live A SECOND passenger on the flight was using a stolen passport, it has emerged. Austrian Christan Kozel, aged 30, has been confirmed as safe and well by authorities. He said his passport was stolen when he visited Thailand two years ago, Austrian newspaper De Standard reports. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 8 12:56:37 2014, in response to Multiple Stolen Passports Malaysian Airlines, posted by DAnD124 on Sat Mar 8 10:43:24 2014. Do you think there are people who "want" this to be terrorism? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 8 16:13:07 2014, in response to Passenger on board Malaysian Airlines jet carrying 239 people 'was using STOLEN Italian passport, posted by DAnD124 on Sat Mar 8 10:07:38 2014. Suspicions that terrorists may be responsible for the sudden disappearance and likely crash of a Malaysian Airlines jetliner yesterday, as it was revealed two of the passengers aboard the ship were using stolen passports. The Beijing-bound Boeing 777-200ER vanished from radar off Khota Baru in Malaysia, and no distress call was ever made by the flight crew of MH370. The plane, which was carrying 239 passengers and crew, is thought to have fallen into the South China sea, where Vietnamese rescue craft found a 12-mile oil slick on the water this morning. US Navy ships have also been sent to the search area, and the Malaysian government, which owns part of the airline, has "not ruled anything out" as it tries to ascertain the fate of the aircraft.Washington officials are said to be "closely monitoring" the progress of the search for the widebody. Its last ADS-B "ping" showed the plane flying at 35,000 feet, about 120 miles off the east coast of Malaysia. The flight crew was described as "highly experienced", and the plane's captain, had 33 years with the airline, comprising over 18,000 hours of flight experience. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Mar 8 16:28:47 2014, in response to Re: Did Terrorists Bring Down Malaysian Jet?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 8 16:13:07 2014. My SWAG is not terrorism. Who would it be? Uighurs from western China? I would think they would target a more specifically Chinese target. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 8 18:08:51 2014, in response to Malaysian Airlines Says Plane With 239 Is Missing, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 20:58:11 2014. The manifest.Summary: Nationality Total China/Taiwan 153 including infant/1 Malaysia 38 India 5 Indonesia 7 Australia 6 France 4 USA 3 including infant New Zealand 2 Ukraine 2 Canada 2 Russian 1 Italy 1 Netherlands 1 Austrian 1 |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 8 21:40:04 2014, in response to Re: Did Terrorists Bring Down Malaysian Jet?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 8 16:13:07 2014. no one has claimed responsibility but that might not mean anything.I'm guessing a sudden break apart. |
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Posted by DAnD124 on Sat Mar 8 22:05:27 2014, in response to Re: Did Terrorists Bring Down Malaysian Jet?, posted by AlM on Sat Mar 8 16:28:47 2014. the reason i think there is a strong chance this is terrorism is that planes don't usually disappear is mid-air like this one did |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 8 22:09:13 2014, in response to Re: Did Terrorists Bring Down Malaysian Jet?, posted by DAnD124 on Sat Mar 8 22:05:27 2014. the reason i think there is a strong chance this is terrorism is that planes don't usually disappear is mid-air like this one didHow many of your recent aviation disaster posts featured planes brought down by terrorism vs. pilot error or malfunction? |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Mar 8 22:11:53 2014, in response to Re: Did Terrorists Bring Down Malaysian Jet?, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 8 22:09:13 2014. Pilot malfunction is usually takeoff and landing. Planes falling out of the sky is usually either a catastrophic equipment failure or terrorism. Usually the former though. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Mar 8 22:18:45 2014, in response to Re: Did Terrorists Bring Down Malaysian Jet?, posted by DAnD124 on Sat Mar 8 22:05:27 2014. The Air France flight from Rio to Paris disappeared from the radar without a mayday call.AA 587 was of course fully visible but it crashed totally without an obvious explanation at the time. TWA 800 blew up with no warning. So it does happen for reasons other than terrorism. But still, it certainly could be a bomb. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 8 22:19:50 2014, in response to Re: Did Terrorists Bring Down Malaysian Jet?, posted by AlM on Sat Mar 8 22:18:45 2014. The Air France flight from Rio to Paris disappeared from the radar without a mayday call.AA 587 was of course fully visible but it crashed totally without an obvious explanation at the time. TWA 800 blew up with no warning. So it does happen for reasons other than terrorism. But still, it certainly could be a bomb. He's trying to start an aviation argument. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Mar 8 22:20:36 2014, in response to Re: Did Terrorists Bring Down Malaysian Jet?, posted by Easy on Sat Mar 8 22:11:53 2014. The Air France crash in the South Atlantic was minor equipment failure combined with pilot/training error in failing to understand the incorrect readings. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Mar 8 22:22:24 2014, in response to Re: Did Terrorists Bring Down Malaysian Jet?, posted by AlM on Sat Mar 8 22:18:45 2014. TWA 800 blew up with no warning.Is that the one near LI? I think that was accidentally shot down by the US navy. Pierre Salinger covered it. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 8 22:25:27 2014, in response to Re: Did Terrorists Bring Down Malaysian Jet?, posted by Easy on Sat Mar 8 22:22:24 2014. Is that the one near LI? I think that was accidentally shot down by the US navy. Pierre Salinger covered it.Yes. That's the one. And in today's political environment, it would be a partisan issue. I don't think a missile hit that plane. It was an accidental explosion. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Mar 8 22:27:35 2014, in response to Re: Did Terrorists Bring Down Malaysian Jet?, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 8 22:25:27 2014. There are eyewitnesses that say otherwise. Some of them pilots iirc. |
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Posted by DAnD124 on Sat Mar 8 22:37:02 2014, in response to Re: Did Terrorists Bring Down Malaysian Jet?, posted by AlM on Sat Mar 8 22:18:45 2014. the AF flight was over the middle of the ocean where it couldn't contact anyone and wasn't on radar.the AA flight wasn't in midair it was taking off i'm not sure it's terrorism but there is a strong chance that it is |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 8 22:40:15 2014, in response to Re: Did Terrorists Bring Down Malaysian Jet?, posted by DAnD124 on Sat Mar 8 22:37:02 2014. In the past your expressed disappointment that terrorism by default means Islamic terrorism.But I think you think Muslim terrorists. |
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Posted by DAnD124 on Sat Mar 8 22:41:20 2014, in response to Re: Did Terrorists Bring Down Malaysian Jet?, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 8 22:40:15 2014. because of the route of the flight and the group that china has problems with. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 8 22:44:59 2014, in response to Re: Did Terrorists Bring Down Malaysian Jet?, posted by DAnD124 on Sat Mar 8 22:41:20 2014. and because only one religion uses mass murder to get closer to God and that religion is Islam.you meant Islamic terrorists, not Christians or ecoterrorists. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 8 22:50:12 2014, in response to Re: Did Terrorists Bring Down Malaysian Jet?, posted by DAnD124 on Sat Mar 8 22:41:20 2014. and "the group China has problems with", I ask you, but I'm not looking for a fight, who does not have problems with Islam?Terrorism is Islam in 2014. They own the word now. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 8 23:05:32 2014, in response to Re: Did Terrorists Bring Down Malaysian Jet?, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 8 22:50:12 2014. If we really are talking China and problems with Islam, then most of those come from Sinkiang (Xinjiang). |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 8 23:06:09 2014, in response to Re: Did Terrorists Bring Down Malaysian Jet?, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 8 22:40:15 2014. Originally that was not the case. Terrorism was associated with communism for the most part. |
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Use of Stolen Passports on Vanished Jet Raises Concern About Terrorism |
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Posted by DAnD124 on Sun Mar 9 00:10:54 2014, in response to Malaysian Airlines Says Plane With 239 Is Missing, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 20:58:11 2014. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-09/use-of-stolen-passports-spurs-terrorism-fears-over-vanished-jet.html |
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Posted by TonyG on Sun Mar 9 01:27:30 2014, in response to Re: Did Terrorists Bring Down Malaysian Jet?, posted by Easy on Sat Mar 8 22:27:35 2014. I personally think that a navy missile hit that plane. I just don't know if it was intentional or not. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Mar 9 03:07:51 2014, in response to Re: Did Terrorists Bring Down Malaysian Jet?, posted by TonyG on Sun Mar 9 01:27:30 2014. So you're a TWA Truther? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 9 03:30:43 2014, in response to Re: Did Terrorists Bring Down Malaysian Jet?, posted by Easy on Sat Mar 8 22:27:35 2014. So? Being pilots doesn't make them qualified to figure out what a plane exploding looks like.If it were a navy missile, there'd be a whistleblower by now. Conspiracy theorists severely overestimate the power of the United States government to conceal secrets. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 9 03:34:00 2014, in response to Re: Did Terrorists Bring Down Malaysian Jet?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 9 03:30:43 2014. I dunno ... Snowden did a pretty fair job. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 9 03:46:02 2014, in response to Re: Did Terrorists Bring Down Malaysian Jet?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 9 03:34:00 2014. Exactly. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 9 03:46:57 2014, in response to Re: Did Terrorists Bring Down Malaysian Jet?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 9 03:46:02 2014. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 9 03:54:39 2014, in response to Re: Did Terrorists Bring Down Malaysian Jet?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 9 03:46:57 2014. I should add, for everyone else's benefit, that I thoroughly disapprove of what Snowden did. Primarily in the WAY that he did. I think that getting information out as to what had been going on was an important thing for all of us to know. However, he vetted his information VERY poorly and got a lot of innocent people killed as a result of his scattershot methods of whistleblowing. I have a *major* problem with that.Unlike many in the "intelligence community" however, he did serve a valid purpose in letting folks know what our own government had been up to. However, he REALLY should have limited his release to generalizations (with proof) rather than the unnecessary specifics that were releases with everything else. He did an awful lot of damage to GOOD works and the result of his activity has literally crippled the legitimate intelligence gathering we had been doing. NSA has been neutered as far as their ability to dig into what's going on in Ukraine and other places as a result. With what I've done for the past 15 years or so, I do appreciate a little more of the details than many. I only wish he had the same understandings and had limited the details a bit. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 9 08:05:22 2014, in response to Re: Did Terrorists Bring Down Malaysian Jet?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 9 03:54:39 2014. +10 |
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Posted by Charles G on Sun Mar 9 08:35:36 2014, in response to Use of Stolen Passports on Vanished Jet Raises Concern About Terrorism, posted by DAnD124 on Sun Mar 9 00:10:54 2014. The latest news that the tickets for the passengers using the stolen passports were traveling together certainly increases the likelihood that terrorism was involved. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 9 08:54:43 2014, in response to Re: Use of Stolen Passports on Vanished Jet Raises Concern About Terrorism, posted by Charles G on Sun Mar 9 08:35:36 2014. Yes and no. They could have been two illegal immigrant friends who got their passports from the same source. |
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robe into missing Malaysia plane looks at possible mid-air disintegration - source |
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Posted by DAnD124 on Sun Mar 9 10:54:12 2014, in response to Malaysian Airlines Says Plane With 239 Is Missing, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 7 20:58:11 2014. http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/09/us-exclusive-probe-plane-idUSBREA280FF20140309 |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Mar 9 11:01:39 2014, in response to robe into missing Malaysia plane looks at possible mid-air disintegration - source, posted by DAnD124 on Sun Mar 9 10:54:12 2014. What I find weird is the lack of reporting on terrorists taking credit for blowing up the plane. Seems like that usually happens, often with several groups claiming that they did it. |
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