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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 21 09:59:35 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 09:08:14 2014. You can not claim to say that Whites are convicted of more crimes than blacksI don't say that. I don't have any stats. You are incorrectly quoting JayZ's stats. CONVENIENTLY omitting that Blacks are outnumbered by whites 5 to 1 Irrelevant. We all know that per capita blacks in FL commit more crimes. I am addressing your unsubstantiated claim that in total they commit more crimes. PS. Your claim could be true for all I know. But you haven't produced the evidence. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 21 10:01:46 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 09:54:45 2014. Yawn.JayZ's post was so obviously wrong, and besides I didn't even see it until you pointed me to it. Yours looked more credible on the surface. Why don't you just admit you don't have any stats to back up your one particular assertion? Is that so hard? |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 21 10:05:21 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 09:54:45 2014. My post is to the board, JayZee included. In fact I'm kind of like a broken record on the subject of convictions/arrests because this type of stat comes up a lot.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 10:15:53 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 21 09:50:10 2014. So how come you aren't addressing that when JayZee uses the same STATS?I was just pointing out, and succeeded is showing how whatever JayZee's stats say (he claimed whites are more dangerous than blacks), I was pointing out (and succeeded at) showing that those stats actually HURT his argument, as he CONVENIENTLY left out the IMPORTANT Demographics where it shows that Whites outnumber Blacks 5 to 1, yet the stats show only double (when they should show 5X or more) considering the demographics. So I ask you again, how come you haven't addressed THAT, which wad the point, and instead are playing with words, when I am using the SAME stats JayZee was, yet you did NOT call him on it too if my using the stats was wrong. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 10:20:06 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 21 09:50:38 2014. No I did not. There is no question whites, in numbers, have more stats listed.....a little less than double in most. The POINT was that JayZee is trying to portray Whites as more Dangerous, yet he FORGET to account for (conveniently of course), that Blacks are outnumbered by Whties about 5 to 1, yet are only 2X more numerous in the stats (when they should be 5X or MORE to be more dangerous than Blacks).That's a convenient and important FACT that JayZee hand picked out. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 10:24:39 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 21 10:01:46 2014. JayZ's post was so obviously wrong, and besides I didn't even see it until you pointed me to it. Yours looked more credible on the surface.ANd yes it OBVIOUSLY is, that's why I pointed that out, yet you are attacking me, who posted the CORRECT information, showing that whites outnumber blacks 5 to 1. So the stats actually SHOW that Blacks are "more dangerous" than Whites, using JayZee's own stats, as HIS stats show that while they only account for a little less than two times more, for JayZee's assertion to be correct, those numbers should show 5 or MORE times the numbers they do. Obviously if there are more (5X more) of one race than another, there is more likeliness of crime committed by them as total numbers, but the SAME stats show that Blacks are MUCH more likely, as while they are 5 times fewer, they are only about HALF the numbers given. They SHOULD be 5 x LESS than whites for them to be at the same rate as whites. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 10:26:35 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 21 10:05:21 2014. It DOES come up a lot, yet JayZee keeps trying to peddle it off like it favors his position, when it shows QUITE the opposite....as he ALWAYS conveniently leaves out the IMPORTANT fact that Whites outnumber Blacks 5 to 1. And he will ignore that fact next time again, he always does. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 10:30:52 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 21 09:59:35 2014. I am addressing your unsubstantiated claim that in total they commit more crimes.I Never stated that....I even posted the numbers (from JayZee's stats), that whites commit just under double)....I said that MANY times here. The point is Blacks are in FACT more likely to commit crimes, my assertion from the beginning, as they are outnumbered by whites 5 to 1. I never claimed total numbers, just that they are more likely to commit crime than whites, based on JayZee's stats which show that while they are only 1/5 the white population, they account for just over half the crime. I never wavered from that true fact. JayZee just "forgot" to mention the fact that Blacks are 1/5 the population of whites. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Feb 21 10:38:29 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 10:26:35 2014. He is not leaving out that detail if he is saying that the total arrests made of whites, in raw number form, are greater than that of blacks. Personally I think per capita is a more telling figure, but even then it has its limitations. A police officer is less likely to arrest an upper income white for a minor crime that would result in a desk appearance ticket versus a lower income black, especially if the lower income black is homeless |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Feb 21 10:39:20 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 08:40:16 2014. "I don't now how it's in florida, but on Long Island, unfortunately Blacks are usually lower income, and less likely to own a car and drive, so they often use bikes and Public Transportation (Bus, taxi). So that could account for at least part of the disparity. Again, that is true on Long Island, I don't claim to know if that is the same in Florida."Do you ever wonder why? Most Whites left the city because they didn't want to live near minorities that were moving in durng the 1960s. Minorities that moved to Long Island were systematically steared to certain areas of Long Island. Racism, in the form of denying people good paying job, went to Whites. That's why both Nassua and Suffolk counties were Republican strong hold to keep mintorities from attaining ANY POLITICAL power that might improve their life on Long Island. Political patronage is rampant here on Long Island where relatives/friends all to often get nice-paying local government jobs while other are left to suffer to make-ends-meet. THIW |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Feb 21 10:40:19 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 21 08:46:50 2014. "And lower income people commit more crimes. That's not a secret."There would not be any crime if those folks were not denied good paying jobs. THIW |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Feb 21 10:41:26 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 08:51:12 2014. "Blacks are less likely to drive in general as they are poorer, and more apt to not own a car."Do you have anything in writing to back that up? or is that another White racist commentary? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 21 10:42:37 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 10:15:53 2014. So I ask you again, how come you haven't addressed THATBecause I didn't disagree with that. You are getting like bingbong. You made a specific unsupported statement and you won't justify it or retract it. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 21 10:45:15 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 10:24:39 2014. I repeatedly agreed with your assertion that blacks commit proportionately more crimes. That's not your unsubstantiated claim. Your unsubstantiated claim is that blacks commit more crimes in total. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 21 10:50:15 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 10:30:52 2014. I Never stated that.You came very close. Blacks account for about 1/2 the crime. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 10:59:50 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 21 10:42:37 2014. What statement would this be. You are playing with words. I never said that "Blacks commit more crimes". They do as a people, but JayZee's stats show they commit a little less than double that of Blacks. But I THEN went on to state that Blacks are outnumbered by whites 5 to 1. That is ALSO fact. That means a Black person is MUCH more likely to COMMIT a crime. That is fact, as otherwise the white's stats would be 5 times that of blacks, which it is not.You KNOW that's what I meant ALL along. If you want to play this game of words, or things not stated what is meant, please continue the diversion. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 11:04:10 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 21 10:45:15 2014. I never said that, and if I did it wasn't meant. How could I have meant that when I kept USING JayZee's stats? Please stop playing with words, you know DAMN well what I meant. Stop the circus.... "unsubstantiated". BS, you know DAMN well what is meant, but have to play these stupid games. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 11:05:30 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 21 10:50:15 2014. They do account for about 1/2 (even though only account for 1/5 the population). JayZee's stats show that. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 11:06:11 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Feb 21 10:39:20 2014. What the F does that have to do with any of this. The point was less Blacks, in general drive or own a car. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 11:08:23 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Feb 21 10:41:26 2014. There's nothing racist about that statement. Unfortunately, on Long Island, poorer people are less likely to own a car or drive. Blacks tend to be poorer than whites.I never stated that was the case outside of Long Island, as I was using LI as an example. I even noted I don't know if that is the case in Florida, that was also DUE noted. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Feb 21 11:12:29 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 11:06:11 2014. Do you have stats for that? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Feb 21 11:12:34 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 11:06:11 2014. "What the F does that have to do with any of this. The point was less Blacks, in general drive or own a car."Dude.....you love address these fucking statistic that really have NO VALUE and NO MEANING because in the end...they SUPPORT that idea that Blacks are they way they are here in America due the denial of a good living at the hands of Whites. That is really what it amounts to. You so try to picture a Black society here that has nothing, but you as surely to not want to confront why this reality is so. THIW what you! |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Feb 21 11:14:53 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 11:08:23 2014. " Unfortunately, on Long Island, poorer people are less likely to own a car or drive. Blacks tend to be poorer than whites."YOU SIR TEND TO SHY AWAY FROM THE TRUTH HERE....CAUSE YOU'RE WHITE AND YOU DON'T WANT TO ADMIT THAT WHITES ON LONG ISLAND WERE BIASED TOWARDS MINORITIES IN JOBS AND HOUSING. YOU FORGET THAT I WAS BORN AND RAISED ON LONG ISLAND....YOU ON THE OTHER GREW UP SOMEWHERE ELSE. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Feb 21 11:16:22 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Feb 21 11:12:29 2014. Watch him make shit up.....you'll see..... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 11:16:29 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by mtk52983 on Fri Feb 21 11:12:29 2014. Yes, I do.http://www.blackcommentator.com/167/167_guest_lui_auto_bias.html A recent report on racial disparities in car ownership reveals that one in four Black households (24 percent) and one in six Latino households (17 percent) does not own a car. This is compared to one in fourteen white households (7 percent) who are car-less. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 11:18:02 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Feb 21 11:16:22 2014. Oh yeah? Blacks are more than THREE times less likely to own a car vs white households. 7% to 24%. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Feb 21 11:21:55 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 11:18:02 2014. "Oh yeah? Blacks are more than THREE times less likely to own a car vs white households. 7% to 24%."And what are your sources? your other White buddies told you this? eh? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 11:24:34 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Feb 21 11:21:55 2014. ????Basic Math. 7 x 3 = 21 (The actual number is 24, so it's actually about 3.5% less likely, but I averaged it to 3. I could have averaged it to 4 if you would like. http://www.blackcommentator.com/167/167_guest_lui_auto_bias.html A recent report on racial disparities in car ownership reveals that one in four Black households (24 percent) and one in six Latino households (17 percent) does not own a car. This is compared to one in fourteen white households (7 percent) who are car-less. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Feb 21 11:27:09 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 21 09:50:10 2014. It also doesn't say whether those are convictions or arrests.They are arrests. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 21 11:36:36 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 11:05:30 2014. No, JayZ's stats do not show that. So first you say you never said it. Now you say JayZ's stats show it. Neither is true. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Feb 21 11:37:47 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 11:24:34 2014. "A recent report on racial disparities in car ownership reveals that one in four Black households (24 percent) and one in six Latino households (17 percent) does not own a car. "That you have it.....racial disparities at the hands of WHITE people. Thanks for being upfront about that. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 21 11:41:16 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 11:18:02 2014. Blacks are more than THREE times less likely to own a car vs white households. 7% to 24%.No, what you posted elsewhere was that blacks are 3 times more likely not to own a car: 24% vs 7%. So 76% of blacks and 93% of whites own a car. So blacks are about 18% less likely to own a car. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Feb 21 11:44:57 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 11:24:34 2014. From the NYTIMES.COM:The Bias Against Black Bodies Feb. 19, 2014 By Charles M. Blow The Michael Dunn case has caused us to look once again at the American culture and criminal justice system, and many don’t like what they see. But we shouldn’t look at this case narrowly and see its particular circumstances as the epitome of the problem. They are not. The scope of the problem is far more expansive, ingrained and elusive. This is simply one more example of the bias against — and in fact violence, both psychological and physical, against — the black body, particularly black men, that extends across society and across their lifetimes. And this violence is both interracial and intra-racial. A 2011 study found that black parents were the most likely to spank their children. After the study was released, Dr. Alvin F. Poussaint, a Harvard Medical School psychiatrist who advocates against corporal punishment, and who also happens to be black, told CNN: “We have such damage in the black community. When you add to that parents beating their kids, it’s sending the message that violence is an O.K. way to solve problems.” Poussaint added later, “violence begets violence, anger begets anger, and the loss of control makes it all worse.” And for many black children, when they go to school things don’t get much better. According to the Center for Effective Discipline, corporal punishment and paddling in school is allowed in 19 states; these include all the states except Virginia in the Black Belt, which stretches across the South. The center found that African-American students make up “17 percent of all public school students in the U.S., but are 36 percent of those who have corporal punishment inflicted on them, more than twice the rate of white students.” This inequitable treatment in schools is also exerted in other ways. As USAToday reported in May: “The average American secondary student has an 11 percent chance of being suspended in a single school year, according to the study from the University of California-Los Angeles Civil Rights project. However, if that student is black, the odds of suspension jump to 24 percent.” It continued: “Previous studies have shown that even a single suspension can double a student’s odds of dropping out, said Daniel Losen, a former Boston-area teacher and one of the authors of ‘Out of School and Off Track: The Overuse of Suspensions in American Middle and High Schools,’ released in April.” Even on the streets, they can’t escape it. In New York City, from 2002 to 2011, the Police Department stopped and frisked millions of citizens, but nearly 90 percent of those were black and Hispanic, according to the New York Civil Liberties Union. Eighty-eight percent of those stopped were innocent. And, according to a 2011 report from the Department of Justice’s Bureau of Justice Statistics, although black, white and Hispanic drivers were stopped by the police at roughly similar rates, “black drivers were about three times as likely as white drivers and about twice as likely as Hispanic drivers to be searched during a traffic stop.” It doesn’t take a leap of logic to understand that if you search for contraband, you’re more likely to find it. The inequity continues into the justice system, even for juveniles. As “Frontline” pointed out: “A number of recent surveys have shown that there are profound racial disparities in the juvenile justice system, that African-American and Hispanic youth are more likely to be tried as adults. They are more likely to receive longer sentences, they’re more likely to be in locked facilities, and on and on and on, even when charged with the same offense as whites.” In fact, a January study in the journal Crime & Delinquency found that by age 23 nearly half of all black men will have been arrested at least once. This compares to 44 percent of Hispanics and 38 percent of whites. This disparity continues into the adult prison population. While blacks are only 13 percent of the population, they make up 38 percent of the state prison population nationwide. Recent Comments Peter Silverman 19 hours ago No denying racism, but prejudice against poor people is stronger. A black friend told me that when he had an old car he got stopped by the... Mike Springer 19 hours ago I'm white -- most of my male black friends (all middle class professionals) have have been stopped for police for DWB (driving while black)... William Taylor 19 hours ago 96 percent of all shooting victims and 97 percent of all shooting suspects in New York City were black or Latino. Stop and Frisk unfairly... See All Comments Part of this last problem abides in the jury box. A 2010 report from the Equal Justice Initiative found that “people of color continue to be excluded from jury service because of their race, especially in serious criminal trials and death penalty cases.” And among the people who do make it onto juries, a 2001 study published in Psychology, Public Policy and Law found, white jurors demonstrate bias more often when race isn’t a prominent feature of a case than when it is. So, much of this bias would likely slip by, away from the glare of media attention. It is no surprise then that many of these young black men, having endured a life of violence and suspicion and inequitable treatment, would have a vastly altered relationship to authority and even the basic concepts of fairness and hopefulness. A small number of these young people, having been baptized in brutality, can internalize it and then act it out, being destructive to themselves and their communities. And pop culture — whether music, television or movies — can amplify the problem by either normalizing violence or glorifying it. In that context, the repercussion of poor decisions is amplified, and the tiny minority of people who exist within any demographic group who are intent on committing themselves to wrongdoing and disruption could prosper. That is the conundrum of the current African-American experience: How to unwind all the hurt and damage? How to rescue folks from a system and culture that threatens to drown them? Unfortunately, there are no easy answers. There is no one place to start. I often advocate that blacks fight this bias on two flanks. First, work every day to eliminate the structural and systematic biases. This is actually easier said than done, particularly since many of the people who, wittingly or not, become instruments of the bias, and in some cases are beneficiaries of that bias, deny that bias. The second flank is to recognize that the bias is present and not make choices that would make it worse, and in fact try to countervail it. The latter is always the more delicate argument, because it calls on people to redouble efforts to behave nobly in an ignoble — and unjust — context. There is an issue of basic fairness that goes unaddressed in the discussion. But, sadly, those seem to be the options that exist at the moment. Moving in two directions at once, fighting the system and fighting despair. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 11:57:01 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 21 11:36:36 2014. Huh? JayZee's stats show about double for whites vs blacks. Forgetting to consider that Blacks are outnumbered 5 to 1 by whites.Thats all I have said, and that is absolutely correct. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 11:59:06 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Feb 21 11:37:47 2014. ?????You asked for the stats, which you claimed I didn't have, and I gave them to you. There was no claim of why on my part. That does not matter, as we were comparing DUI crimes. And Whites are almost 4 times as likely to own a car, and outnumber blacks 5 to 1. If accounting for both those conditions, explains the higher numbers. Why Blacks own less cars is irrelevant to the discussion you were attacking me on. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 12:00:37 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 21 11:41:16 2014. HOUSEHOLDS not persons were the stats I gave. Are Black households higher, or less than White households also have to be in effect for your numbers to work. |
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Re: The Bias Against Black Bodies |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 21 12:05:43 2014, in response to The Bias Against Black Bodies, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Feb 21 11:44:57 2014. I'd like to respond to certain parts of this article. |
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Re: The Bias Against Black Bodies |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Feb 21 12:10:53 2014, in response to Re: The Bias Against Black Bodies, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 21 12:05:43 2014. Go ahead......see how are it gets you today...... |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Feb 21 12:14:10 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 08:40:16 2014. Blacks are usually lower income, and less likely to own a car and drive, so they often use bikes and Public Transportation (Bus, taxi). So that could account for at least part of the disparity.It could also be that more blacks are charged with something more serious. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Feb 21 12:16:05 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 10:24:39 2014. So the stats actually SHOW that Blacks are "more dangerous" than Whites.No, the stats show blacks are arrested in disproportionate numbers to whites. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Feb 21 12:16:38 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 21 09:47:56 2014. Until anyone produces a statistic for CONVICTIONS, we can't really talk about who commits how many crimes.Conviction stats would just show who can afford better lawyers. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Feb 21 12:18:54 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 21 10:50:15 2014. Blacks account for about 1/2 the crime.Arrest ≠ crime. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 21 12:20:33 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 21 08:40:16 2014. I don't now how it's in florida, but on Long Island, unfortunately Blacks are usually lower income, and less likely to own a car and drive, so they often use bikesIn Florida it's even more obvious. Did you see my thread on Buschat.com about bricks being thrown at the HART bus. I think the only time I see white people on the bus is when I'm downtown during rush-hour and they're(we're?) taking the commuter routes to the suburbs. The local routes here, 8, 31, 25, 53, I don't see any whites on the bus. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Feb 21 12:24:33 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 21 12:20:33 2014. "The local routes here, 8, 31, 25, 53, I don't see any whites on the bus. "Maybe they are walking home to get some exercise....lol |
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Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 21 12:38:03 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Feb 21 07:58:03 2014. This one's interesting:DUI White 39,951 Black 4,554 I'm sure some Latinos are in the "white" category. Wonder where you put the Afro-Latinos? |
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Re: Arizona Senate passes religious freedom law |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 21 12:47:40 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 21 12:38:03 2014. Gays have to stop discriminating against people who disagree with how they want to live. That's it. |
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Re: Arizona Senate passes religious freedom law |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 21 12:51:47 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes religious freedom law, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 21 12:47:40 2014. Another Ology LOLyour pal, Fred |
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Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 21 12:54:00 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes ''Turn Away The Gays'' law, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Feb 21 12:16:38 2014. Somewhat yes. I can't believe that all public defenders watch their clients convicted tho.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 21 12:54:27 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes religious freedom law, posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 21 12:51:47 2014. Heh.How many gays are going to bother an Islamic baker for a wedding cake, honestly? |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Feb 21 12:57:52 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes religious freedom law, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 21 12:54:27 2014. Not if they want him bacon a cake :)your pal, Fred |
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