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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 4 12:55:49 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 4 12:17:18 2013. Is she for real? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 4 13:08:50 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 4 12:45:49 2013. Pentacostal. In droves. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 4 13:29:36 2013, in response to Re: Rush Limbaugh and his anti-encyclical views?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 4 08:50:09 2013. Rush didn't read the whole encyclical. Neither did you nor SMAZ.It's pretty clear from this post and from this one who read Evangelii Gaudium and who didn't. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 4 13:53:32 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 4 13:08:50 2013. My sarcasm meter was heading to the red zone here.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Dec 4 14:06:47 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 4 05:30:19 2013. The Church in general is taking this attitude to attract Latinos.I think it's more like the Church is taking this attitude because the Pope is taking this attitude, based on his extensive experience with Latin and South America. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 4 14:12:52 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 4 08:37:40 2013. SMAZ and I have read it. We are fully aware this Pope is not a liberal on cutural issue, only on economic issues.After reading Evangelii Gaudium, I believe he is more to the left on economic issues than North American liberals or global social-democrats are. This may have to do with his Latin American upbringing. Let's not forget that he is from the same place that Dr. Ernesto Guevara came from and his understanding of the world comes from what he's seen with his own eyes. I don't think an official document featuring such a scathing attack on modern-day capitalistic structures, practices, ideologies and the people who support them and benefit from them has ever been written by a religious figure of a Pontiff's importance and influence. Its economics chapter and the conclusions it reaches are in full accord with something that would be written in Mother Jones magazine or in Adbusters. Pope Francis is saying what Barack Obama should have been saying all along. He is unleashing the "Dangerous Church" that Father Michael Pfleger preaches about. The best part of it all, is that he is doing so while leading from the front and by example. No wonder the reactionaries are going into apoplexy. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 4 14:27:09 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 4 11:40:02 2013. He's a moderate on gays. He has said that the Church should not dwell much on those kinds of issues. From NY Times article: Six months into his papacy, Pope Francis sent shock waves through the Roman Catholic church on Thursday with the publication of his remarks that the church had grown “obsessed” with abortion, gay marriage and contraception, and that he had chosen not to talk about those issues despite recriminations from critics. His surprising comments came in a lengthy interview in which he criticized the church for putting dogma before love, and for prioritizing moral doctrines over serving the poor and marginalized. He articulated his vision of an inclusive church, a “home for all” — which is a striking contrast with his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, the doctrinal defender who envisioned a smaller, purer church. Francis told the interviewer, a fellow Jesuit: “It is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time. The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently. |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Wed Dec 4 14:27:38 2013, in response to Re: Rush Limbaugh and his anti-Catholic views, posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 4 01:22:29 2013. Yeah, he appears on traditional lists, but those are based on sources from many centuries later. Early sources (viz the contemporary Epistle to the Romans and the first-or-second-century Acts of the Apostles) do not corroborate this. Peter certainly did not establish the church in Rome, and the evidence that he was even there is unreliable and late.There's a marginally better case for the other see that claims Petrine succession, Antioch. We can at least be confident that he actually went there. |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Wed Dec 4 14:28:54 2013, in response to Re: Rush Limbaugh and his anti-Catholic views, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 3 22:40:12 2013. Sure he did ... just like Merkel today - he was Hitler's Berlusconi. :)I don't recall Mussolini saying Hitler was unfuckable. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 4 14:34:55 2013, in response to Re: Rush Limbaugh and his anti-Catholic views, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 4 09:54:47 2013. Simple.....they blame women for having sex by demanding forced-birth and no contraceptives access. Then they abandon them and their children, cutting support programs off. You don't know this?Goethe wrote about this hypocrisy 200 years ago when he created Gretchen's character in "Faust". Conservatives haven't changed an iota since then. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 4 14:38:06 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 4 14:27:09 2013. Tolerant, not liberal.There will be no gay marriages in the Church in his lifetime. There will be no openly sexually active unmarried priests except where the local bishop turns a blind eye. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 4 14:51:13 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by DaND124 on Wed Dec 4 12:42:53 2013. can you please provide a single example of why either of them should be called "important thinkers"?It's so much more than any single example. To single out one example of their greatness would be an insult. So just read one of their books or listen to an hour of their shows and you'll understand. Are you getting nervous about flying over the Christmas season? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 4 14:55:47 2013, in response to Re: Rush Limbaugh and his anti-Catholic views, posted by kew gardens teleport on Wed Dec 4 14:27:38 2013. Peter certainly did not establish the church in Rome, and the evidence that he was even there is unreliable and late.The Church was established by Jesus Christ in what is now Israel and the Palestinian Territories and he delegated the authority to lead it to Saint Peter. Saint Clement, a contemporary of Peter, wrote about the latter's life and martyrdom. Clement is widely regarded as setting the structures of the Roman Church as we know it today. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Dec 4 15:23:59 2013, in response to Re: Rush Limbaugh and his anti-Catholic views, posted by kew gardens teleport on Tue Dec 3 18:46:47 2013. What's ironic is that this pope is more reactionary than the previous reactionaries. :-) |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Wed Dec 4 15:30:19 2013, in response to Re: Rush Limbaugh and his anti-Catholic views, posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 4 14:55:47 2013. The Church was established by Jesus Christ in what is now Israel and the Palestinian Territories and he delegated the authority to lead it to Saint Peter.That is not an historical view. It is at odds with what Paul tells us about his own career in Galatians 1-2. The Gospels – which all are hagiographic, rather than historical accounts – record Jesus commissioning the twelve (and the seventy), with Matthew alone freely elaborating the Caesarea Philippi incident from his source Mark, to turn Peter's villainy into something less ignominious. This is consistent with the view that Matthew was connected with Antioch. Saint Clement, a contemporary of Peter, wrote about the latter's life and martyrdom. Not true. The work known as 1 Clement does not even represent itself as being by Clement: it is written from "the church of God which is in Rome" to "the church of God which is in Corinth". It indeed mentions Peter's martyrdom, but it does so very briefly and makes no mention of where it happened or in what circumstances. Indeed, the vagueness of the account is highly suggestive that it was not at Rome, and from where he ends up in the Acts of the Apostles, it was probably at Jerusalem (or maybe Antioch). Clement is widely regarded as setting the structures of the Roman Church as we know it today. But again, this is the work of authors centuries later trying to back-project their own agendas onto the first century. There probably wasn't even monoepiscopacy at Rome at that point. |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Wed Dec 4 15:32:07 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 4 11:40:02 2013. I doubt it. The Roman Church can't afford vicars' wives. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Wed Dec 4 15:34:39 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 4 14:51:13 2013. The Great and Honorable SMAZ who is from Italy I think and The Magical and Illustrious kew gardens teleport are fighting over Christian doctrine and history. It is fascinating to observe. It is just like when the human waves of Viet Minh attacked the French at Dien Bien Phu or the Confederates entered the fields of fire and the Union artillery opened up. The Confederates fell down dead but their friends kept coming but then they were knocked down dead but then their coworkers kept coming and on and on until there was nothing left but the flag bearer and little bugle boy. Fascinating mentality not to give an inch despite withering fire. SMAZ and kew gardens teleport are exchanging brutal salvo after brutal salvo without even stopping for a second to water down the barrels and without backing down. It is frightening and I am anxious to see who gives quarter. |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Wed Dec 4 15:35:16 2013, in response to Re: Rush Limbaugh and his anti-Catholic views, posted by 3-9 on Wed Dec 4 15:23:59 2013. It's all part of his plan to deceive. |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Wed Dec 4 15:35:53 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by cortelyounext on Wed Dec 4 15:34:39 2013. LOL |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 4 15:44:22 2013, in response to Re: Rush Limbaugh and his anti-Catholic views, posted by kew gardens teleport on Wed Dec 4 15:35:16 2013. Operation Shoes Of The Fisherman is in full effect.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 4 15:45:00 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by cortelyounext on Wed Dec 4 15:34:39 2013. KGT won the moment he used the term "monoepiscopacy".It paralyzed me. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Wed Dec 4 16:02:21 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 4 15:45:00 2013. Yeah, I saw that. I noticed you failed to respond to that post and I just thought you disappeared in an attempt to flank him but now I know it was due to paralysis on your part. It is just as well since the kew gardens teleport was luring you into a trap. At least now you can lick your considerable wounds, regroup, and live to fight another day. You have nothing to be ashamed of because you fought the good fight but in the end you got defeated. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 4 16:31:35 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by cortelyounext on Wed Dec 4 16:02:21 2013. One can never be too careful when confronting in open battle a Mad Welshman who without mercy killed one of the AEMs under the ancient gates of Brentwood and did so while laughing hysterically, all the while one Amanda de Fordham, appearing visibly shaken, shrieks in understandable horror just a few feet.NSFW |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 4 16:38:00 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 4 16:31:35 2013. That horrific event took place roughly two years ago to the day. |
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Posted by dand124 on Wed Dec 4 16:44:47 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 4 14:51:13 2013. i've been reading Prager's columns for while and haven't read anything that makes me think he's an "important thinker". |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 4 17:01:18 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 4 12:55:49 2013. Yes, I am.By the same equation, our President would be a natural born citizen if he was born in Kenya. Which BTW he WASN'T. Just kicking shit up. You guys fall for it every time. Suggest a life. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Wed Dec 4 17:23:04 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 4 16:38:00 2013. Yeah. That image haunts me to this day. The AEM had no chance none. The moment he decided to take on the kew gardens teleport it was essentially over for him. The kew gardens teleport could have left well enough alone but instead decided to continue the onslaught and punish that particular AEM even though the outcome was never in doubt. He and the whimsical John L, who attended Rutgers and once blindsided me with a relentless attack in a thread about Latin, do the Kingdom proud.Speaking of Wales, did you see Cardiff trounced Stoke nil nil this afternoon in yet another exciting thrilling riveting call it what you will high scoring affair? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 4 17:39:38 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by cortelyounext on Wed Dec 4 17:23:04 2013. The greater question will always be if Kew Gardens Teleport slayed one of the AEMs for some personal offense taken or if he did so as a warning to Lady Amanda de Fordham in this epilogue to the Hundred Years War of the Roses in order to solve the issue of the monepiscopacy once and for all.Below starting at 2:16 we can all, with lamentable melancholy, admire one of the AEMs inspiring performance of the popular Ambrosian chant "Angelfuck" in C-Minor. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 4 17:55:58 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by 3-9 on Wed Dec 4 14:06:47 2013. Especially given he was born and raised there. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 4 18:03:51 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by dand124 on Wed Dec 4 16:44:47 2013. well that's just sad.Happiness Hour is awesome. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Dec 4 18:05:34 2013, in response to Re: Rush Limbaugh and his anti-Catholic views, posted by AlM on Tue Dec 3 19:10:42 2013. IAWTP |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Dec 4 18:09:08 2013, in response to Re: Rush Limbaugh and his anti-Catholic views, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Dec 3 20:01:05 2013. "It's not even 2014 yet and you're already winning moron of next year."The Pope is the succcessor to St.Peter. In effect, following in Jesus' footstep.....you MORON! You had that award since the day you were born! I doubt highly you would understand what is being said in my post. Your one brain cell would have to work many overtime hours to figure how to live at best. |
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Posted by dand124 on Wed Dec 4 18:11:43 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by dand124 on Wed Dec 4 16:44:47 2013. find me one thing that make him an important thinker |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Dec 4 18:11:53 2013, in response to Re: Rush Limbaugh and his anti-Catholic views, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Dec 3 17:10:11 2013. "So you agree that I should have my property confiscated so that a family with kids can move in?"Ah...no....those folks across the street should be given the opportunities that YOU WHITE FOLKS get in jobs and education. Then they can afford what White folks got. THIW. No one is asking you or other White people to hand over their possessions. They just want a "Level Playing Field." Get it? eh? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Dec 4 18:18:51 2013, in response to Re: Rush Limbaugh and his anti-Catholic views, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Dec 3 17:13:19 2013. "you're obsessed with the race card. but you live in an apartment in Bayside, Queens, not Jamaica, Queens."I am obssessed with the way WHITES treat other people in American society. As for where I live, I could live in Jamaica, Queens but I chose not to...why? It is very easy for me to hop on the LIRR into the city where I work at. In Jamaica, I would have a longer commute to get into Manhattan. Why make my life difficult to please YOUR IGNORANCE? eh? why? "you say you grew up in a nice Nassau town. I guess you benefited from being white." I grew up on the north shore area of Nassau County. I only benefitted by attending and graduating from a nationally ranked top public school system. I did not live in a nice house. I live in an apartment above some stores on the main street of town and was raised by my mom. I attended 8 years of Catholic school education in that town as well. "you always bring up race. it's all you got." I bring up RACE because you sir do it as well.....in your OWN EVIL WAYS. I know YOUR KIND......I lived near them. The Archie Bunkers of Queens. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Dec 4 18:20:02 2013, in response to Re: Rush Limbaugh and his anti-Catholic views, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 3 21:15:00 2013. What if they had 5 kids BEFORE the economic crash? should they then be blamed for the kids? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Dec 4 18:21:11 2013, in response to Re: Rush Limbaugh and his anti-Catholic views, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 3 22:54:05 2013. IAWTP.......what if they had them way before the Bush downturn. No one should be blamed for having kids just because hard times are upon us. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Dec 4 18:22:51 2013, in response to Re: Rush Limbaugh and his anti-Catholic views, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 3 23:06:06 2013. You blamed people for having kids when they most likey had them before the Bush crash. No one can tell at the point they want to have kids what the future holds. Yes....they may have taken some risk, but we as Americans always take risks and do well to survive the odds. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Dec 4 18:25:20 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Dec 3 20:45:18 2013. "The Pope would say you should give up your home and property so that a real family with kids could move in. "Did he actually say that? or are you just MAKING IT UP AS YOU GO ALONG. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Dec 4 18:27:06 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 4 01:36:49 2013. "I don't hate gays. "But you DO....you want only civil unions....which means CRAP. You don't want real same-sex marriage right for gays. This is where you differ and discriminate. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Dec 4 18:28:43 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 4 04:14:07 2013. "I'd say that you hate gays more than Lucha does."I'd say you hate everyone that does not think and look similar to you! |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Dec 4 18:29:30 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 4 04:22:55 2013. Have you become more of a moron like Luchie? it would seem so. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 4 19:02:23 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by dand124 on Wed Dec 4 18:11:43 2013. Prager University is a glaring example of his superior thinking.You need to tune in sometimes, not every day, to understand. Hewitt too. Another great thinker. Are you ready to fly in December? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 4 19:02:28 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by dand124 on Wed Dec 4 18:11:43 2013. Prager University is a glaring example of his superior thinking.You need to tune in sometimes, not every day, to understand. Hewitt too. Another great thinker. Are you ready to fly in December? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 4 19:05:40 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 4 17:01:18 2013. By the same equation, our President would be a natural born citizen if he was born in Kenya. Which BTW he WASN'T.Not necessarily. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 4 19:07:34 2013, in response to Re: Rush Limbaugh and his anti-Catholic views, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Dec 4 18:20:02 2013. Yes. Poor planning. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 4 19:09:52 2013, in response to Re: Rush Limbaugh and his anti-Catholic views, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Dec 4 18:22:51 2013. If they survive the odds, then OK. But this thread is about concessions to big families from those without them. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 4 19:15:52 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 4 19:02:28 2013. Give one example. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Dec 4 19:41:26 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 4 19:15:52 2013. I got a kick out of the Matthew Shepard story, where a bunch of meth heads said he wasn't killed because he was gay and so it is the truth in the POV of the author of the blurb.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 4 20:00:36 2013, in response to Re: Pope Francis Could Kick Rush Limbaugh's Ass, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 4 19:05:40 2013. Yes he would. His mother was from Kansas. Ted Cruz's mother was also a natural born citizen.Both fathers were NOT. If one is both are. Time to stop playing politics. |
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