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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Jan 23 11:06:09 2013, in response to Re: GOD BLESS BARACK OBAMA!, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jan 23 10:31:12 2013. So is what Luch said is true? |
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Re: ''Under God'' removed from invocation |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jan 23 11:17:21 2013, in response to Re: ''Under God'' removed from invocation, posted by AlM on Wed Jan 23 11:00:49 2013. Why are we having benedictions and invocations at the presidential inauguration and other public, government functions, in the first place? I can accept generic, Judeo-Christian prayers, and I imagine most Americans would too, but it crosses a line when Jesus's name is invoked, since that no longer includes everyone. |
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Posted by mr mabstoa on Wed Jan 23 11:22:57 2013, in response to Re: ''Under God'' removed from invocation, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jan 23 11:17:21 2013. Obama did say in his inauguration speech however "That is how we will preserve our planet, commanded to our care by God. That's what will lend meaning to the creed our fathers once declared.Comments Spiderpig? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jan 23 11:35:22 2013, in response to Re: ''Under God'' removed from invocation, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jan 23 11:17:21 2013. Why are we having benedictions and invocations at the presidential inauguration and other public, government functions, in the first place?Tradition, I suppose. I guess my feeling is that if it's individual speech of a participant at a public event (even if the participant happens to be a government official) it doesn't get into the realm of establishment of a religion. On the other hand, if it's a policy or a monument instituted by government that has a religious oritentation, then it's permanent or semi-permanent and starts to look very much like establishment. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 23 11:36:42 2013, in response to Re: GOD BLESS BARACK OBAMA!, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 23 09:50:38 2013. And the world is better for it. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jan 23 11:38:55 2013, in response to Re: GOD BLESS BARACK OBAMA!, posted by Railman718 on Wed Jan 23 11:06:09 2013. "So is what Luch said is true?"Nope......maybe Luchie is Bisexual.... |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jan 23 11:41:18 2013, in response to Re: ''Under God'' removed from invocation, posted by mr mabstoa on Wed Jan 23 11:22:57 2013. The reference to God here has no implication to Jesus. The God referred to is a universal God. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 23 11:41:42 2013, in response to Re: ''Under God'' removed from invocation, posted by mr mabstoa on Wed Jan 23 11:22:57 2013. Fuck you. I'll comment when a non-troll wants my opinion. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 23 11:42:14 2013, in response to Re: ''Under God'' removed from invocation, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jan 23 11:17:21 2013. IAWTP |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jan 23 11:42:58 2013, in response to Re: GOD BLESS BARACK OBAMA!, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 23 09:50:38 2013. "Other? Yeah. Proof the Left has won."YEA.....INCLUSIVE instead of the GOP mentality of EXCLUSIVE. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Jan 23 11:43:10 2013, in response to Re: GOD BLESS BARACK OBAMA!, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jan 23 11:38:55 2013. Ah ok just wanted to hear it from you fair enough. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jan 23 11:43:37 2013, in response to Re: ''Under God'' removed from invocation, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 23 11:41:42 2013. IAWTP |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 23 11:43:49 2013, in response to Re: GOD BLESS BARACK OBAMA!, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 23 11:36:42 2013. you think the world is a better place because "Other" is added to the list of genders? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 23 11:44:12 2013, in response to Re: ''Under God'' removed from invocation, posted by tunnelrat on Wed Jan 23 11:01:28 2013. FALSE. It was put in during the Cold War. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 23 11:45:06 2013, in response to Re: GOD BLESS BARACK OBAMA!, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 23 11:43:49 2013. Yes, among other things. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jan 23 11:45:34 2013, in response to Re: GOD BLESS BARACK OBAMA!, posted by Railman718 on Wed Jan 23 11:43:10 2013. If anyone really about what I am....I AM AND WILL ALWAYS BE AN AMERICAN FIRST and FOREMOST. I am a mixed-race American. I am proud of my heritage and that's all I need in life. Not the bullshit from Luchie or Train Douche. Both are fucking losers in my eyes. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jan 23 11:48:30 2013, in response to Re: GOD BLESS BARACK OBAMA!, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 23 11:43:49 2013. "you think the world is a better place because "Other" is added to the list of genders?"Yes....then we are INCUSIVE instead of being EXCLUSIVE which is what the GOP party wants. DO YOU EVER UNDERSTAND THESE THINGS LUCHIE? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 23 11:52:59 2013, in response to Re: GOD BLESS BARACK OBAMA!, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 23 11:45:06 2013. ok. well I think it's an example of the extremism of the Left.you need to listen to Dennis Prager today at noon so you can have a better understanding of the world. I'm going to call in during hour three. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 23 11:53:51 2013, in response to Re: GOD BLESS BARACK OBAMA!, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jan 23 11:45:34 2013. give me an example of bullshit from LuchAAA |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 23 11:54:45 2013, in response to Re: GOD BLESS BARACK OBAMA!, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jan 23 11:48:30 2013. creating a gender that does not exist or applies to such a small number of people is an example of extremism, not inclusiveness. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Wed Jan 23 11:56:21 2013, in response to Re: GOD BLESS BARACK OBAMA!, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jan 23 11:38:55 2013. Individuals of the LGBTQIA Community are considered for inclusion to the List of Aviators (LOA) res judicata just like any other demographic. In fact, individuals of said community are known to have a strong grasp of the inner workings of high bypass ducted fans, reduced/FLEX takeoff thrust, and and the use of flight management systems during RNAV (GPS/RNP) approaches. At least in theory it matters not at all to the committee responsible for the drafting of the LOA. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Wed Jan 23 11:56:21 2013, in response to Re: GOD BLESS BARACK OBAMA!, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jan 23 11:38:55 2013. Individuals of the LGBTQIA Community are considered for inclusion to the List of Aviators (LOA) res judicata just like any other demographic. In fact, individuals of said community are known to have a strong grasp of the inner workings of high bypass ducted fans, reduced/FLEX takeoff thrust, and and the use of flight management systems during RNAV (GPS/RNP) approaches. At least in theory it matters not at all to the committee responsible for the drafting of the LOA. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Wed Jan 23 11:57:26 2013, in response to Re: ''Under God'' removed from invocation, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 23 11:44:12 2013. it seems that you are right. I do remember reading somewhere that it was put in during ww2. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jan 23 12:18:27 2013, in response to Re: GOD BLESS BARACK OBAMA!, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 23 11:53:51 2013. Obama's third term. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jan 23 12:23:47 2013, in response to Re: GOD BLESS BARACK OBAMA!, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 23 11:52:59 2013. "you need to listen to Dennis Prager today at noon so you can have a better understanding of the world."WHY? can't you come with your own opinions of the world? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jan 23 12:29:45 2013, in response to Re: GOD BLESS BARACK OBAMA!, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 23 11:54:45 2013. "creating a gender that does not exist or applies to such a small number of people is an example of extremism, not inclusiveness."With that thought in mind, then civil liberties and the pursuit of happiness and the Bill Rights would then be consider by YOU as an example of EXTREMISM....get it? eh? |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jan 23 13:13:26 2013, in response to Re: GOD BLESS BARACK OBAMA!, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 23 11:54:45 2013. Wrong. It is about inclusiveness as a minority that was either born with both characteristics (happens more frequently than you may think) and/or does not identify clearly as one or another has a chance to identify as themselves, instead of some imposed convention.There are millions of mixed-gender human beings out there. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jan 23 13:28:04 2013, in response to Re: GOD BLESS BARACK OBAMA!, posted by bingbong on Wed Jan 23 13:13:26 2013. Luchie just has an issue with accepting Humans that are not like him. America is for ALL and that's something he and a few others on OT can't grasp. :) Look at all the recent labelings of me. Why can't they accept the one standard fact about me which I am an American and there |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jan 23 13:33:17 2013, in response to Re: GOD BLESS BARACK OBAMA!, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jan 23 13:28:04 2013. IMO, that's enough, and should be for ALL Americans. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Jan 23 13:51:37 2013, in response to Re: "Under God" removed from invocation, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 22 21:53:16 2013. LOL. The whole invocation was addressed to a Supreme Being, as a request for blessings and guidance. There were multiple requests to "you" for help and guidance and blessings. Who do you think "you" is in the context of an invocation?Perhaps you should look up the meaning of "invocation." |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 23 13:57:54 2013, in response to Re: ''Under God'' removed from invocation, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jan 23 10:17:29 2013. Good one, rabies. Not very original though. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 23 14:09:37 2013, in response to Re: ''Under God'' removed from invocation, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 23 11:44:12 2013. "UNDER GOD" was added by an act of congress in 1954. To arbitrarily remove it goes against the will of the people. |
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Posted by mr mabstoa on Wed Jan 23 14:17:50 2013, in response to Re: 2013 Inauguration Speech, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jan 23 08:06:22 2013. There is no difference.During World War 2 between the both of them 14 million people were wiped out. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jan 23 14:18:20 2013, in response to Re: ''Under God'' removed from invocation, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 23 14:09:37 2013. To remove it from what?Congress added it to the Pledge of Allegiance. So if you claim to be reciting the Pledge of Allegiance and don't use that phrase, you're not really reciting the Pledge of Allegiance, you're reciting your own private version of it. Are you aware of any public officials modifying the Pledge of Allegiance in a public event by removing the phrase? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Jan 23 14:27:33 2013, in response to Re: ''Under God'' removed from invocation, posted by AlM on Wed Jan 23 14:18:20 2013. Exactly. She was not reciting the Pledge. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Jan 23 14:28:21 2013, in response to Re: ''Under God'' removed from invocation, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 23 14:09:37 2013. The Affordable Care Act is similarly the will of the people. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 23 14:30:30 2013, in response to Re: ''Under God'' removed from invocation, posted by AlM on Wed Jan 23 14:18:20 2013. Are you a dipshit or what. I didn't suggest that anyone did remove it. I said removing it would be against the will of the people. Are you so hot to sniff my butt that you need to comment on everything that I post? Really, Al, get a fucking life. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 23 14:31:07 2013, in response to Re: ''Under God'' removed from invocation, posted by italianstallion on Wed Jan 23 14:28:21 2013. And your point? Even if that were true, I'm sure that you are trying to make one. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jan 23 14:38:20 2013, in response to Re: ''Under God'' removed from invocation, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 23 14:30:30 2013. I most certainly don't comment on everything you post. You just happen to meet my criteria.- You're coherent. - Your posts have substance. - I more often reply to posts I disagree with or where I think the facts are wrong. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jan 23 14:42:18 2013, in response to Re: ''Under God'' removed from invocation, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 23 13:57:54 2013. "Good one, rabies. Not very original though."Sorry...I'm not a dog...I'm a man....unlike you ....who will remain an asshole til the END. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 23 14:51:11 2013, in response to Re: ''Under God'' removed from invocation, posted by AlM on Wed Jan 23 14:38:20 2013. Leave me out of your self help therapy. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 23 14:51:56 2013, in response to Re: ''Under God'' removed from invocation, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jan 23 14:42:18 2013. Speaking of that, rabies, when do you think that we can get together for our summit? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jan 23 15:26:38 2013, in response to Re: ''Under God'' removed from invocation, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 23 14:30:30 2013. "Are you a dipshit or what. "Do you have RABIES or something else? eh? sound familiar....jerk? eh? if you can't get along in the sandbox of life....move to a quicksand pit and see you later! |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jan 23 15:31:05 2013, in response to Re: ''Under God'' removed from invocation, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 23 14:51:56 2013. "Speaking of that, rabies, when do you think that we can get together for our summit? "Not sure...I've never ever visited anyone at Creedmoor before so I don't know what the process is to visit you there. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 23 16:11:50 2013, in response to Re: GOD BLESS BARACK OBAMA!, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 23 11:52:59 2013. That it bothers you is an example of your reactionism. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 23 16:26:14 2013, in response to Re: 2013 Inauguration Speech, posted by mr mabstoa on Wed Jan 23 14:17:50 2013. What a simplistic conclusion. Par for the course. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 23 17:22:59 2013, in response to Re: ''Under God'' removed from invocation, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jan 23 15:31:05 2013. Why, where did they put your daddy? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jan 23 18:08:19 2013, in response to Re: ''Under God'' removed from invocation, posted by tunnelrat on Wed Jan 23 11:57:26 2013. Yeah, republicans claimed that Eisenhower was a commie, so in 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, "under God," to the Pledge. We had too many Ologs back then. :) |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Wed Jan 23 18:17:13 2013, in response to Re: ''Under God'' removed from invocation, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jan 23 18:08:19 2013. One is too many. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jan 23 18:32:44 2013, in response to Re: "God'' the whole subject of an invocation, posted by italianstallion on Wed Jan 23 13:51:37 2013. Ummmm ... to Olog, "invocation" works like this:
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