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Origins of the Secular Christmas Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 3 18:02:25 2005, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by The Rockaway Kid on Mon Jan 3 16:48:09 2005.

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No, they have nothing to do with any God that I know. Not one thing on that list has anything to do with the Christian religion, the day that is on the 25th of Dec.

>>Shopping has to do with God.<<
Yes.


Uh no.

>>Lights all over the place has to do with God.<<
Yes


Uh no. I never saw anywhere in the Bible, or in any church that you should buy colorful lights and put them outside your home.

>>A dead pine tree brought into the house has to do with God.<<
Yep


Uh no. No where in the Bible does it say such a thing, that a pine tree should be brought into the home. It was a pagan custom that was first done in the 1500's by the Germans. It was later adopted by the Slavic people, and found it's way into this country some time in the 1700's, and certainly not by Biblical or Church doing. Putting glass balls on the tree was introduced by NF.W.Woolworth in 1890 (Surprise, surprise a retailer).
By the early 1900's, only about 1 in 5 Americans put up a Christmas Tree. (Again, the Christmas we celebrate was invented by American Retail in the early 1900's, as I have said throughout this thread).
See more here.

>>Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade (which was started as a big publicity thing for the then beginning of the Shopping season, and why the parade ends with "Santa") has to do with God.<<

Nope


Correct, but the parade should be called the almost be called the "Christmas Parade", because that is the only reason it was started, to promote business for the Christmas Holiday season.

>>Fake pine and glass balls hanging from the ceiling at the mall have to do with God.<<
Yep.


Nope. Glass balls made popular in the early 1900's by FW Woolworth, and pine was first put in the homes at Christmas, and evergreens branches were already brought into the home by the Egyptians, Romans, and others, long before Jesus was even a thought.

>>Sale Sale Sale Sale and buy till you drop has to do with God.<<
Only if it's a Christmas sale.


Uh no. It's all business. And Jewish retailers are just as guilty of it as anyone else. (Not that there's anything wrong with that).

>>A reindeer with a red lightbulb for a nose has to do with God.<<
Then one foggy CHRISTMAS eve... yes.


What in Bethlehem when Christ was born? I don't think so. That one foggy "Christmas" Eve has absolutely NOTHING to do with God, Jesus, or ANYTHING vaguely religious.
Hmmm, could it be, oh, I don't know, an AMERICAN BUSINESS that invent that one? Sure it can:

Rudolph's origins
Rudolph's story was originally written in verse by Robert L. May for the Montgomery Ward chain of department stores in 1939 and published as a book to be given to children in the store at Christmas time.

Rudolph is depicted as an ordinary reindeer with a large, red nose, often grinning and always leading the team pulling Santa's sleigh, which usually comprises of the eight reindeer mentioned in Twas the Night Before Christmas in pairs (Rudolph is not depicted with a partner, thus, reinforcing his status.)


See more on the origin on Rudolph here.

Did I mention that the Christmas the United States celebrates was invented by American Business in the early part of this century....hmm, I may have mentioned that a few times

>>A fat man jumping down a chimney had to do with God.<<
Yes.

>>A flying sled with flying reindeer has to do with God<<
that would be a miracle, wouldn't it?



Uh, no again, no Godly or divibne intervention there either. But Here is where the American Santa Claus, as well as other countries versions of him come from, and of course that has been taken over by the American Businesses at the early part of the century too, to increase the sales....

See more here of where many of the things people think are "religious" at Christmas, really came from.

It should be noted that Christmas wasn't even celebrated until very late on in the Christian faiths. Certainly nothing God or Jesus EVER said should be something to be celebrated or observed. Not to mention, he wasn't even born in December.

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