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Re: Origins of the Secular Christmas Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 3 20:50:31 2005, in response to Re: Origins of the Secular Christmas Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by American Pig on Mon Jan 3 19:31:56 2005.

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The 25th of December was not chosen at random, it was chosen because it was Christmas Day, and some people felt that could be commercially exploited. That still does not make the holiday non-religious in nature.

Correct, but the vast majority of the people standing on line at KMart are certainly not thinking of Jesus, nor are they when they are putting their Woolworth's balls on the tree.

So what? Religious celebrations evolve over time, and the fact that they are introduced solely in order for someone to make money does not make them any less religious. Religions have always tried to make money from the faithful. Ever heard of tithing? Or selling indulgences?


Tithing has nothing to do with getting the XBox you wanted as a gift, nor buying the watch for a father. Tithing is giving a ccertain amount of your income to the church, which is irrelevant to Christmas shopping.

So? The parade takes place on a different holiday and bears little resemblance to the celebration of Christmas.


And the Christmas the United States celebrates bears little resemblance to the celebration of the [religious] Christmas, in fact it's quite different than the rest of the world too (although the "Americanized" version is slowly sneaking in elsewhere now too)..

As for the parade, the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade wus begun in the 1920's as a publicity for Macy's beginning the holiday shopping season. In fact, it was originally called the "Macy's Christmas Pagent", later the "Macy's Christmas Parade", the finally it is now called the "Macy's Thanksgiving Parade". It is completely rooted in Christmas though....the secular one.

Santa Claus is St. Nicholas, a Christian saint.

Perhaps, but I'm sure he never touched a reindeer, nor rode a flying sled. behind flying reindeer. Pure Fiction. Pure non-religious fiction.

It seems silly to say that CHRISTmas is not a religious holiday when religion is right there in the name!

We are talking about Rudolph here. A fictional animal invented by a retailer in the 1930's. He may have been "born" on Christmas, of rode around on "Christmas" (fictionally), but that doesn't make him a religious icon.

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