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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Jun 18 16:18:36 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Jun 18 15:52:09 2012. Good job choosing 3 posts that HAVE nothing to do with the point you're trying to make. If you read many of the other posts in the thread, I've said it many times that this change to democracy wasn't going to happen over night nor be easy but you chose to promptly ignore those in order to further your point.Good spin job. My point still stands, what you (and others) said at first and the song you are singing now are not one in the same. Others have been more consistent in their views. Your bias is very clear that you do not care for the Egyptian people, you're more concerned with who is leading the nation and whether they will respect any peace treaties or secure the border with Israel. If you tell me other wise, you sir are trying to fool the wrong person. I've explained this before, and I'll explain it again. The Egyptian people have a right to choose their government. However, I also have a right to object to their choice if their choice puts my own safety and security at risk. Seeing as I live in a country whose security on its southern border hinges entirely on the aforementioned peace treaty, I think I have a vested interest in making sure it remains in effect. Seeing as the Sinai Peninsula has descended into lawlessness and there was a terrorist attack this morning on the Israeli-Egyptian border, and it hasn't been the first since the revolution, I think I have reason to be concerned about what is going on down there. Meanwhile, you can live comfortably in New York without worrying about disturbances 6000 miles away. I'll also assume you've never been to Egypt in your life. I was there in November 2009, as were other tourists. There are no tourists there now, which is a major problem since tourism is the biggest economic generator for the country. As Shimon Peres said in an interview with the Washington Post last week, if the Muslim Brotherhood imposes Islamic Law in Egypt, they will bring the economy crashing down, not that it was very strong in the first place, because Islamic law discourages Western tourists from visiting. As Peres put it, no bikinis, no tourists. It doesn't take long for any visitor to Cairo to realize that people there are very poor and are highly dependent on baksheesh, much of which probably comes from willing tourists, to try to make ends meet. Now, if you think it is out of the realm of possibility that if the going gets tough economically, whoever next leads Egypt isn't going to try to channel anger among the population towards Israel instead of ineffective domestic policies, I have a bridge to sell you. And if you somehow think that it is to the advantage of the average Egyptian for Egypt to break its peace treaty or have a conflict arise on its border with Israel, then can you claim to have the interests of the Egyptian people in mind? So do you understand where I'm coming from at this point, or is it still too difficult a concept to grasp? Or do you think the risk of all out war in the Middle East is a price worth paying so some people can have "democracy"? the people are still on the streets, protesting and fighting for their freedoms and rights THAT is your only reason for being optimistic? Do you have others? What about if the next government doesn't allow such protests? The US needed over 90 years to settle down from independence to the end of the civil war, for democracy and a certain amount of freedom then needed another 100 years to give us civil rights. Who is "us"? I'm not going to "spill ink" refuting this line of thinking, others have done it already. I'm willing to wait and see how this plays out (provided my own security is not at risk, you need to explain why I shouldn't be concerned about that), but be honest, things aren't looking too good for the short term right now. And the failure of certain people on this forum to admit that things aren't going so well right now in Egypt is getting to be hard to ignore. |
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