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Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules

Posted by Nilet on Fri Apr 4 18:51:34 2014, in response to Re: US appeals court upholds new Texas abortion rules, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Apr 4 18:34:52 2014.

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Refusing to make one's body available to save another is fine, like I said, or at least not what's being discussed.

It's exactly what's being discussed.

The "offensive action" I'm talking about is a move to terminate another.

Abortion is nothing of the sort. It simply removes the connection between the fetus and the woman's body. If the fetus dies without it, that's not the woman's problem any more than what happens to the kidney failure patient when you disconnect from him.

Using someone against their will to save another person's life is not what's happening here.

Let's see. The fetus is feeding off a woman against her will... Yep, that's exactly what's happening here.

It's simply allowing what already is to finish being.

So if I tried removing your kidney without permission and you woke up halfway through the surgery, you'd have no right to tell me to stop? I'd be perfectly justified in "allowing what already is to finish being" and take your kidney?

If that example confuses you, refer to the kidney failure patient in Thomson's example.

Abortion is the use of force to terminate a life.

No it isn't. Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy. A woman has every right to prevent other organisms from consuming her body, and if the parasite can't live without consuming her, that's not her problem.

Go back and read Thomson's article, specifically her example of finding yourself unexpectedly connected to some stranger so that he can use your kidneys to filter his blood. I can quote it for you if you can't figure out how to operate a link. Then answer this: In that situation, would you or would you not have the right to remove the connection (by force if you must) and walk away?

That is not what is happening in the case of one's making one body available to save another.

No, it's being forced to make one's body available to save another. That the parasite/organ robber has successfully initiated the procedure doesn't take away your right to make him stop.

A fetus / embryo has human DNA...

So does every single one of the billions of cells in your body. Is each one of them a human? Are you committing mass murder every time you take a shower and slough skin cells down the drain to their doom?

...and yes, that picture looks quite like a human.

It doesn't matter what you think it looks like.

It's not a human.

It's a bat embryo.

Biologically, you have no argument that it's not human.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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