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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 16 16:10:12 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jan 16 16:03:53 2023. The 1984 bus renumbering was itself baffling. It doesn’t seem to have any rhyme or reason to it. Cf. The renumbering of Manhattan crosstown routes or the later SI Bus renumbering. |
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Posted by Pelham Exp on Mon Jan 16 16:21:23 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jan 16 16:03:53 2023. I remember the 3 branches of the BX40 as well. FT Schuyler/ Longstreet-Tierny/ Harding-Davis via Balcom. BX40 Harding was not renumbered to Bx42 until early 90's And the Longstreet branch incorporated into the BX8 which was extended from Westchester Sq. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 16 16:25:45 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Pelham Exp on Mon Jan 16 16:21:23 2023. If you go back earlier, those were part of the Bx6, which had A, B and C branches. |
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Posted by Pelham Exp on Mon Jan 16 17:25:42 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Pelham Exp on Mon Jan 16 16:21:23 2023. Very true. I have a old roll sign with those Bx6 destinations. But before my time. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 17 11:58:47 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Keeping the RAPID in Rapid Transit on Tue Jan 10 20:59:36 2023. Yep. I remember the #2000 series buses working out of Jamaica & the #2100 series worked out of Flushing. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Tue Jan 17 15:55:06 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 16 16:10:12 2023. Agreed! I remember this very well. At the time, I recall the TA saying something along the lines of it reducing confusion. Folks eventually adjusted, but can't imagine what confusion was reduced/eliminated. |
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Posted by Snilcher on Tue Jan 17 18:18:59 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by WayneJay on Tue Jan 17 15:55:06 2023. Whereas I thought that the renumbering of the Queens routes with letter suffixes was done in a logically consistent and easy-to-comprehend fashion. Southeast Queens routes of the form nA were changed to 8n. The formerly privately owned "A" routes in northwest Queens were given new numbers that were in range of their geographical neighbors, so that Q19A became Q69 (close to Q66 and Q67) and Q19B became Q49 (close to Q47 and Q48). Q65A became Q64 (close to Q65 and Q60), etc. And, of course, no letterless route numbers were changed.Even some of the Brooklyn reworkings had reasonably selected numbers. The B47 was the result of combining the B40 and the B78 (taking an initial digit from each), though I have reservations about reusing former route numbers when there are other choices available. I don't see why the B5 had to become the B82, though. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 17 18:25:01 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by WayneJay on Tue Jan 17 15:55:06 2023. As an example I remember, there was a Q15-Fifth Ave, Jackson Hgts that ran along Roosevelt Ave, and an M15 that was strictly Manhattan. The TA then tried to call is the Queens route QM15. When that didn't work out the QM15 went to the Q32, which it remains today. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 19:33:54 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 17 18:25:01 2023. That wasn’t Q15, it was just 15. In addition to that one and M15 there was also another 15 (no M). They changed it all in 1974, when the 15 Jackson Heights became the M32 and the other 15 became the M26. The M26 is now the M23. I don’t know when they changed M32 to Q32. |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Tue Jan 17 20:11:51 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 19:33:54 2023. I don’t know when they changed M32 to Q32.IIRC around 1990. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 20:17:15 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by X-Astorian on Tue Jan 17 20:11:51 2023. I know it was between 1987 and 1993. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Jan 17 23:08:58 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 20:17:15 2023. Wow right in the middle |
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Posted by Q4 on Wed Jan 18 06:10:23 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by WayneJay on Tue Jan 17 15:55:06 2023. I didn’t see anything confusing about the Q4, Q4A, Q5, Q5A and the Q5AB but I knew the system in that area back then. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jan 18 07:15:42 2023, in response to [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 8 15:53:17 2023. Regarding 8808, did the driver have to walk through to the middle of the bus to go and manually adjust that side destination sign? |
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Posted by Snilcher on Wed Jan 18 09:38:09 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Q4 on Wed Jan 18 06:10:23 2023. It wasn't a matter of confusion, just a decision to get rid of the lettered designations. In some cases the nnA route had very little to do with the nn route other than intersecting at some point. Lettered designations were better off being reserved for alternate branches of a single route. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jan 18 11:55:19 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jan 18 07:15:42 2023. 8088: he would unlock the back door, push it open, put his head out while looking upwards and push an up or down button next to the interior green unlock lens/ bulb and set the proper sign.On the other side there also was 2 buttons: up and down, but I have no idea on how he could set that one. What should have been Don, especially when buses needs new signs as they got transfered depot to depot, was to just put up stuff like B62 Graham Ave.; B48 Lormier St.; etc. when 8041 to 8080 got transfered to Crosstown e.g. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 19 02:48:27 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Snilcher on Tue Jan 17 18:18:59 2023. I questioned the Bkln-Qns service planning director about the use of B82 instead of retaining the number 5 for the combined B5/B50 route and he responded that numbers are cheap and he wanted the riding public to be aware of the new route. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 19 17:30:21 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by randyo on Thu Jan 19 02:48:27 2023. It should have been the B55. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 19 19:35:54 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 19 17:30:21 2023. Well, if a new number were used, it would have made more sense that 82 since both uncombined routes contained the number 5. |
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Posted by W.B. on Sat Jan 21 21:23:50 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 17 18:25:01 2023. QM15, actually. The QM was added at the point the first T6H-5309A buses (and only T6H-5310A's) for MaBSTOA arrived in early 1973. It became M32 in 1974 - and Q32 in 1989. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 21 22:59:22 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Pelham Exp on Mon Jan 16 16:21:23 2023. People in Locust Point must have been unhappy with that change. The Bx40 is a straight shot to Westchester Square and the (6) train while on the other hand, the Bx8 has some of the most turns of any route in the city along with the B13, and serves a station that's more out of the way in Buhre Avenue. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 21 23:11:01 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by W.B. on Sat Jan 21 21:23:50 2023. Wow even the latest GM new look order is now 50-51 years ago. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 21 23:34:37 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by W.B. on Sat Jan 21 21:23:50 2023. Wow even the latest GM new look order is now 50-51 years ago. |
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Posted by Pelham Exp on Sun Jan 22 08:47:21 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 21 22:59:22 2023. Agreed. Though I think the Bx40 and Bx8 intersect at a some point on Harding and but who wants to transfer. |
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Posted by Snilcher on Sun Jan 22 12:11:12 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 21 22:59:22 2023. The Buhre Avenue station may be out of the way, but you probably have a greater chance of getting a seat on the 6 train there in the morning than at Westchester Sq. Plus the Bx8 serves Westchester Sq. as well, anyway. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Jan 22 19:14:57 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Snilcher on Sun Jan 22 12:11:12 2023. Without a doubt you do |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jan 22 23:20:21 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Snilcher on Sun Jan 22 12:11:12 2023. They had an even better chance when the MTA rerouted the Bx8 to Pelham Bay Park in 2010, which was quickly reversed months later, and was shot down again when the MTA tried to propose reinstating it during the recent Bronx Bus Redesign. 😂 |
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Posted by Pelham Exp on Mon Jan 23 07:36:32 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jan 22 23:20:21 2023. That reroute in 2010 made no sense at all. Country Club did not need a bus every 8-10 minutes during rush hour peak. Plus the Nimbys complained about all the buses that were suddenly going through their quiet neighborhood. |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Jan 23 09:27:15 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Pelham Exp on Mon Jan 23 07:36:32 2023. Part of the problem with the Bx-22 (later Bx-14 Country Club route was its erratic schedule. Buses ran on a progressive schedule of every 25 minutes. That means that the bus comes at a different time every hour. This was in the day before computers or published schedules. If it ran every 30 minutes then it would be on a memory schedule. Also the bus frequently got jammed up in the narrow streets of Country Club and Spencer Estates so it was a hit or miss if you wanted to catch the bus. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Pelham Exp on Mon Jan 23 15:22:20 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Jan 23 09:27:15 2023. Larry..I definitely know from experience that standing out there on a cold windy winter day and if it missed an interval forget it 40+ minutes. If there was snow on the ground made for an even better adventure on those narrow streets. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 23 22:20:43 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Jan 23 09:27:15 2023. That’s not the only place where non clockface headways are operated. In Bkln, the B63 5th Av overnight runs on a 50 min headway and the B3 Ave U runs a 79 min overnight headway. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jan 24 14:24:31 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Pelham Exp on Mon Jan 23 07:36:32 2023. Yeah that's where they messed up, but they fixed it with the Bx24, which is truly the perfect route that Country Club, even better than the old Bx14 dare I say it.One thing that I liked about that 2010 change that I wish they kept though was rerouting the Bx5 to Crosby Avenue, where it better served the residents of that area with more destinations of use to them than the Bx8. Instead of rerouting the Bx8 to Country Club to complement that change, they should've straightened it out so that it used East Tremont Avenue between Westchester Square and Otis Avenue. As for Bruckner Boulevard, it sees little passenger activity north of East Tremont Avenue, so I wouldn't have bothered replacing the Bx5 and would've just left it alone with the Q50. |
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Posted by Pelham Exp on Tue Jan 24 19:52:26 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jan 24 14:24:31 2023. Your right about the Bx24 That actually was the Old Bx22 route before it became Bx14 except now it accesses Hutch Metro Center at the end of the line instead of mid-route via waters through Bx State Hosp. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 25 03:12:46 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 23 22:20:43 2023. Typo. The B3 headway should read 70 min. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Wed Jan 25 18:26:09 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 20:17:15 2023. I don't remember the exact time that the M32 became Q32, but I think it was when others also changed like B22 to Q24, B53 to Q54, B56 to Q56, B58/59 to Q58/59 and B55 to Q55. I remember those Brooklyn routes made sense especially cases like the B55 and B58 where the entire route was in Queens except barely touching Brooklyn at Myrtle-Wyckoff terminal point. |
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Posted by Snilcher on Wed Jan 25 19:11:48 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by WayneJay on Wed Jan 25 18:26:09 2023. In one of the old surface transit mags there was a quiz which included the following question:What bus route belongs to one borough, runs entirely in another borough, and has a name including the name of a third borough? I knew then that it must be the B55, whose official route name was "Richmond Hill." The subsequent route prefix changes have effectively eliminated any such case of inconsistent borough assignment. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 25 19:29:29 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 17 19:33:54 2023. Correct. There were three 15s in Manhattan an other routes were numbered twice with the same number.The third 15 was along Chambers St. They were renumbered in 1974 to reduce confusion. They changed the M15 Chambers to M22 and renumbered other crosstowns with vacant numbers.The NY Times printed my letter in July 1974, where I suggested they should have been renumbered to match the street names. I suggested it again to them in a job interview in 1984. I was told that it was a dumb idea, but when the head of OP asked one if his employees, he liked. It, so it was done three weeks later, and I didn’t get the job or any credit for the idea. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jan 25 19:32:53 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by WayneJay on Wed Jan 25 18:26:09 2023. B22 to Q24, B53 to Q54, B56 to Q56, B58/59 to Q58/59 and B55 to Q55.FWIW, the MTA has 6 different files for the static GTFS schedules. One for each borough on NYCT buses and a separate file for MTA Bus operations. The former B&QT routes you mentioned are still listed on the Brooklyn GTFS file and not the Queens file. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 25 19:40:29 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sun Jan 8 16:45:13 2023. The 7000 and 9000 Macks also did not use prefixes, probably to match the NewLooks. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 25 20:51:50 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Snilcher on Wed Jan 25 19:11:48 2023. It also no longer includes the name of another borough as “Richmond” was renamed “Staten Island” in 1975. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 25 21:33:06 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 25 19:29:29 2023. Chambers was M1. |
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Posted by Mack C-49 on Wed Jan 25 22:39:30 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 25 19:40:29 2023. If we're talking about the 1960s the 7000s and 9000s were GMs. The 6000s from 1956 were Macks. |
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Posted by Mack C-49 on Wed Jan 25 22:43:51 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Mack C-49 on Wed Jan 25 22:39:30 2023. Whoops, I meant the 1950s! |
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Posted by Mack C-49 on Wed Jan 25 22:44:09 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] NYC Buses - Back In Time, posted by Mack C-49 on Wed Jan 25 22:39:30 2023. Whoops, I meant the 1950s! |
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