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Posted by LRG5784 on Mon May 30 14:20:11 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Hank EisenStein on Mon May 30 14:07:55 2011. Aren't there plans to replace the Goethals bridge deck, or an I getting confused with the Bayonne Bridge? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon May 30 14:24:05 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by LRG5784 on Mon May 30 14:20:11 2011. The plans are to replace the Goethals with a new bridge that would be privately built and then sold to the PANYNJ, who would pay for it over 30 years. That bridge is 83 years old.(The Bayonne Bridge is 80 years old, but it doesn't carry an interstate highway.) |
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Posted by Hank EisenStein on Mon May 30 21:36:56 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by LRG5784 on Mon May 30 14:20:11 2011. You're beyond confused. The Goethals is planned for replacement, and has been structurally obsolete (as well as the Outerbridge Crossing) for more than thirty years. Construction on a replacement span has been repeatedly delayed, despite the obvious need for it for the last decade. The PA is trying to find a private company to build it, and lease it back to them, since they're claiming poverty. I don't see it, as they're collecting at least $6 for every vehicle that crosses it.The Bayonne Bridge is supposed to have its deck raised significantly to provide clearance for larger ships once the Panama Canal modernization (widening) is completed. That plan essentially leaves the superstructure in place, but builds a whole new bridge within it. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 30 21:38:57 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Hank EisenStein on Mon May 30 21:36:56 2011. I reckon the reason why the PA has no money is because they have to have to subsidise PATH. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon May 30 21:43:31 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by JAzumah on Mon May 30 06:02:57 2011. Alright, I admit your plan is cheaper than mine (although I still think that my idea would be the best one to implement for experimental purposes), and that I'm sold on your plan. Good luck trying to sell longer headways and longer rides to X17J customers who live in affluent communities that house few airport workers though. |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Mon May 30 21:46:46 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Hank EisenStein on Mon May 30 21:36:56 2011. Six dollars - how about $8 for most. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon May 30 21:53:01 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Hank EisenStein on Mon May 30 14:01:16 2011. That's not the case at all, and hardly a good reason to swap the routes.It is, the S44 doesn't carry as much as it should between Forest Avenue & Lafayette Avenue, while the S46 is packed with riders from Mariners Harbor, not leaving much room for Castleton Avenue passengers. The 44 along Richmond isn't used as much to connect to the Ferry, but to connect the mall to the North Shore community. The meandering route of the 44 is best for this purpose because it has a much larger catchment area than the 46. There are actually quite a few people who do use the S44 to go to the Ferry, it's not a lot, but still noticeable, the more straightforward routing of the S46 should also convenience those riders. The S46 is only a block away from the S44 in most areas, so its purpose of connecting the mall to the North Shore shouldn't become obsolete either. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon May 30 22:03:38 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat May 28 21:26:25 2011. 1) No one along Manor Road would take the S54 over a more direct route to the ferry, not a lot of people ride the S52 past Jersey Street from the ferry, so I can only imagine how few people would ride the S54 from the ferry.2) The S67 did that, and failed. 3) Not really, it's a terrible idea, most riders on the S40 are going to South Avenue. What needs to happen is that the S44 and S46 should swap routes, with the S46 going to Eltingville, and the S44 going to Goethals Homes. Responses: 1) The S52 actually does see a decent number of riders from St. George north of Park Hill. It is the only route that serves parts of Ward Hill, and the Tompkins Avenue portion is served by the S78, which takes an equally circuituous route to serve that area. The S54 is similar in that it has no competing bus routes along Manor Road. There are some people who live within walking distance of the Victory Blvd routes, or the North Shore routes, but those living in the Westerleigh area have no alternate routes. 2) The S67 was eliminated more because of its duplicative nature than because of low ridership. 3) Which is why I suggested splitting the S46 rather than the S40. Sending the S46 to Eltingville would be a bad idea. The S44 has some reliability issues, but the saving grace is that Post/Henderson Avenues have less traffic than Castleton Avenue (and the ridership is a little lower, which also helps speed the buses up a little) |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon May 30 22:06:41 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Hank EisenStein on Mon May 30 03:41:38 2011. I've never had issues that bad. Maybe as a compromise, some buses could terminate at CSI. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon May 30 22:08:11 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon May 30 04:14:25 2011. There is a stop at Goethals Road North/South Avenue, so riders could walk there.I agree that a possible situation could be to have the S98 run to Newark Airport, and run it all day. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon May 30 22:10:25 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by JAzumah on Mon May 30 06:02:57 2011. They've had those short-turn buses from Eltingville for a while now. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 30 22:18:15 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 30 21:38:57 2011. Nah. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 30 22:18:47 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Hank EisenStein on Mon May 30 21:36:56 2011. You're beyond confused. He's been that way for several years now. Glad you finally realized this. |
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Posted by NJT Morris Rider on Mon May 30 22:21:37 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 30 22:18:47 2011. Talking about yourself again? |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Mon May 30 22:27:04 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 30 22:18:47 2011. I can still hear a pin drop. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Mon May 30 22:27:38 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Hank EisenStein on Mon May 30 21:36:56 2011. Thanks for explaining. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 30 22:31:34 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Hank EisenStein on Mon May 30 21:36:56 2011. Thanks for correcting him. I wish more people did. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Mon May 30 22:51:20 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon May 30 22:31:34 2011. I can still hear a pin drop.... |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Mon May 30 22:54:56 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by dkupf on Mon May 30 00:52:59 2011. "Another idea that was yours was operating the northbound B49 via Voorhies Av"road way to narrow to operate a bus. I feel cramped in my car. Yes it is just as small as sheepshead bay rd but running a bus on that road is not optimal |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue May 31 00:22:43 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon May 30 21:53:01 2011. Maybe its just me, but having ridden the S44 and S46 to St. George, I think the S44's path is faster, even if it is less directPart of it could be because ridership is lower along the S44 route. I would say that Post/Cary Avenue has slightly fewer riders than Castleton Avenue, because Castleton Avenue has more stores and slightly denser housing (there are some apartment buildings in Port Richmond, as well as the West Brighton Housing projects near Broadway). Along Henderson Avenue, there are hardly any riders between Bard Avenue and Clinton Street (there is Snug Harbor on one side and spread out houses on the other) I still think my S46 split would be the best solution. Riders in Mariners' Harbor get a direct route to Brooklyn. Although they lose a direct route to St. George, they can still walk up to the S40, so the trip to St. George will take roughly the same amount of time when you factor in the 10 minute walk. Riders along Richmond Avenue get 2 routes to St. George, which will help ease the load on the S44/S94 during rush hours, since there are a reasonable amount of people traveling between the Richmond Avenue corridor and St. George. The S59 will gain riders, but when it comes up to Castleton Avenue, it will still be emptier than the S46 currently is. Of course, if this plan were implemented, the S59/S89 would have to be swapped, to prevent the S59 from becoming too long. Still, I think that swap should be done anyway, to attract riders from the Hylan Blvd area with faster service and a direct ride to Bayonne. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue May 31 00:28:34 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Hank EisenStein on Mon May 30 14:01:16 2011. I do agree that there aren't a whole lot of riders on the S44 going to St. George, but there still are a reasonable number. When I get on along Richmond Avenue in the afternoons, it usually gets progressively emptier (though at most of the stops there are still some people getting on. I would say it is a 1:2 or 1:3 ratio between people getting on to people getting off)As far as the S44's meandering goes, part of it is for network coverage (the Henderson Avenue area is pretty isolated, so the S44 is pretty much the only bus in the neighborhood), and part of it is to provide a faster route to St. George. Castleton Avenue is the slower route to St. George than Post and Henderson Avenues. |
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Posted by Hank EisenStein on Tue May 31 04:23:29 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Joe Saitta on Mon May 30 21:46:46 2011. Off-peak with EZPass is $6; cash is always $8. Trucks are $8/axle. The Goethals is supposedly the busiest truck entry point for NYC. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 31 12:19:58 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun May 29 22:47:05 2011. But that is where the B6 goes. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 31 12:30:15 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by dkupf on Mon May 30 00:52:59 2011. David, you are getting your facts mixed up. At no time did I ever propose a bus on Voorhies. What you may be thinking of is that in 1978 I proposed that the B49 operate northbound the way it operates today, but instead the MTA chose to operate it north along Sheepshead Bay Road. I proposed th Belt Parkway service road and East 14th Street because at that time it had less traffic than today. So what happens, after 30 years they switch it to how I proposed it. The only problem is that the traffic now on East 16th and East 14th Street is now worse than Sheepshead Bay Road and th old route, the one I was against, is now actually quicker. In 1978 the diversion to the subway added only about 5 minutes to the route. Now it can take 15 extra minutes along the current route which is ridiculous. I think there are time during the day when some buses should skip the subway altogether and use the pre-1978 route.As far as the B5 extension to Coney Island, I don't know where you are getting your information from. The B5 was extended to Canal Avenue in the 1960s when Pathmark opened. I proposed in my masters thesis in 1972 and again at City planning in 1975 that it be extended to Coney Island. It was not a community idea. The MTA objected saying it would cost an additional $250,000 a year to operate, of course assuming that an extension to Coney Island would attract zero new passengers. Much later, the change was made. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 31 12:32:26 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 31 12:30:15 2011. David, you are getting your facts mixed up. At no time did I ever... Why can't the two of you get your stories straight? You seem to know the guy. So work it out. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 31 12:33:47 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by dkupf on Sat May 28 03:46:01 2011. Never mind the fact that apparently most of what you wrote is factually incorrect, how does any of this prove your point? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue May 31 13:28:28 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 31 12:30:15 2011. Wow, I just looked at the B49 map and schedule (haven't used the route in a while). The northbound portion goes so out-of-the-way it's not even funny. Does it even have to service the B / Q trains? Ocean Ave is within walking distance of E 16 St, and Manhattan Beach passengers have the B1 to Brighton Bch Station.Also, I always thought that the B49 Limited went non-stop from Sheepshead Bay station to Kingsboro, but the current schedule on mta.info says distinctly that it makes all stops in that section. But that schedule also has the route using Sheepshead Bay Road / E 15th St northbound, the old pattern. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue May 31 13:56:10 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 31 12:19:58 2011. So does the B103 |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Tue May 31 14:14:12 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 31 12:33:47 2011. Brian' Weinberg suck on buses |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Tue May 31 14:40:56 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Gold_12th on Tue May 31 14:14:12 2011. Awesome. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue May 31 19:33:59 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 31 12:19:58 2011. The MTA is using the B103 to expand service on the corridor on the city's dime, the least they can do is also send the B6 down Avenue H instead of Albany Avenue. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 31 21:51:28 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue May 31 19:33:59 2011. IAWTP. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 31 21:53:37 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 31 12:32:26 2011. Do you realize how dumb your comment is?He doesn't need my approval to post and I don't need his either. If me made some inaccuracies, I'm sure it was unintentional, and I just corrected him for the record. There is nothing wrong with that. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 31 21:59:48 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue May 31 13:28:28 2011. People will generally not walk four blocks when transfering between a bus and subway. And yes, at least some B49s have to go to the Station. There is not enough capacity for everyone on the B1. But I don't think all the buses have to go there all the time. I once proposed a B49 and a B50. The B49 would use its present route. The B50 could use the pre 1978 route going directly from Emmons to Ocean Avenue and would continue straight up Ocean Avenue to Empire Blvd and then turn east. With extra service on Rogers to be provided bytr the B44 SBS, I think it would be a good idea to re-examine that plan.The reason the Limited shows it going on Sheephead Bay Road the whole way is that it only operates southbound in the AM. There is no Limited northbound. (At 3PM half the B49s could use the pre-1978 route and as much time would be saved as the Limited.) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 31 22:00:47 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 31 21:53:37 2011. My comment was not dumb. But your response was. This guy is trying to prove some point about you, but almost everything he wrote was factually incorrect according to you. So where is his credibility? Why does he keep getting almost everything wrong? Why should anyone believe him? |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Tue May 31 22:05:48 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 31 21:53:37 2011. +1 |
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Posted by dkupf on Wed Jun 1 00:25:37 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 31 21:51:28 2011. Been wanting it for a while. |
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Posted by dkupf on Wed Jun 1 00:40:19 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 31 21:53:37 2011. Believe me, it was unintentional. When it was the B5, the route was extended to 25 & Cropsey Avs in the 1960's, and then to Canal & Cropsey Avs during the mid 1970's.But for who suggested the extension to Coney Island, it was definitely first suggested by you. Thanks for the clarification. |
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Posted by dkupf on Wed Jun 1 01:03:25 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by JAzumah on Mon May 30 06:02:57 2011. The fact is that fewer people are using express bus service, except for Staten Island, because $5.50 is just too high. They are using the subway instead, because, unlike Staten Island, they have the option of the Subway.But why haven't south shore Staten Island riders followed suit, and use the SIR? My hypothesis is that the SIR maybe too far away for most people to use. The rememdy is to have more routes feed into the SIR, e.g., the S52. But having few routes feed into the SIR is the only way the X1-9 and X15 could still be cash cows. Oh, what a tangled web we weave... |
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Posted by dkupf on Wed Jun 1 01:47:45 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat May 28 21:26:25 2011. These are the changes that should be made to local bus service in Staten Island:* Swap the S44/94 and S46/96 routings west of Walker St/Morningstar Rd. * Extend the S52 via Seaview Av to Richmond Rd. * Operate the S54 via Richmond Av and Staten Island Mall between Rockland Av and Arthur Kill Rd. (In other words, when traveling southbound: current routing, then Brielle Av, Rockland Av, Richmond Av, Ring Rd, Richmond Av, Arthur Kill Rd, Giffords Ln, then return to current routing.) * Operate the S55/56 via Bricktown Shopping Center. * Extend S62/92 via the West Shore Expwy to West Shore Plaza. * Replace the S76/86 south of Tysens Ln & Mill Rd with the S57. |
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Posted by Hank eisenstein on Wed Jun 1 03:07:15 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by dkupf on Wed Jun 1 01:03:25 2011. Your hypothesis is partially correct. The rest of it is that most Staten Island xbus commuters are more affluent, and can afford the cost. Another part is that the sir/ferry commute can be longer than the one-seat xbus ride from the South Shore. |
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Posted by Hank eisenstein on Wed Jun 1 03:15:55 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by dkupf on Wed Jun 1 01:47:45 2011. The only proposasl of yours I agree with is rerouting the s57, extending the 52 (at least to serve the Dongan Hills station) and perhaps the 62. Rerouting the 54 as you suggest is uneccesary. The 61already serves much of the same area as the 54, and goes to the mall. It makes more sense to eliminate the 54, or cut it back to sea view hospital. There is little to no ridership along the route between Richmondtown and Great Kills.Extending the 55/56 won't attract any new ridership. It will just make money losing routes lose even more money. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jun 1 08:27:10 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 31 21:59:48 2011. Thanks.What I meant regarding the Limited, however, was that the current B49 schedule posted on mta.info shows the whole route (not only the limited) using Sheepshead Bay Road (no mention of Voohries or E 14 St) in both directions, E 15 St northbound from Sheepshead Bay Road to Ave Z, and then also saying that once south of the station, the B49 limited makes all stops. I believe that both of these are wrong and was just looking for clarification. The Brooklyn Bus Map shows what I believe is the correct B49 northbound path, but makes no mention of whether the B49 Limited runs local or not south of the station. |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Wed Jun 1 09:02:50 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun May 29 22:27:02 2011. Actually, the B103 starts to pick once it gets on E.80th Street. Flatlands/E.80th Street is a popular stop. But most people are heading to the Nostrand Junction......... |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Wed Jun 1 09:12:23 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun May 29 19:15:02 2011. Why would anyone be surprised? Affluent people pay the taxes that support public services like mass transit - in a high-tax like Nassau county, they will most likely support the privatization of services like LI Bus, garbage collectors, etc. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 1 10:48:19 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by dkupf on Wed Jun 1 00:25:37 2011. I also proposed to move the bus off Glenwood to Avenue H in my Master's Thesis also. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 1 10:53:40 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 31 22:00:47 2011. You seem to read what you want to read. I suppose you have never made any mistakes so your credibility is impeccable. He made a few small factual errors. That doesn't mean "he got everything wrong."You just don't like me because I have said a few things about you, so anytime someone wants to say something nice about me, you take issue with it. You sound like such a baby. Why don't you grow up already? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 1 10:57:41 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jun 1 08:27:10 2011. It runs local south of the Station, although since most people want to go to the College, in effect it makes very few stops anyway.They probably just never got around to update MTA.info. Just typical sloppiness on their part. Just like the subway map which has incorrectly showed Bergen Street instead of Liberty Avenue since 1979, although they told me they would correct it on the "next map" over 5 years ago. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 1 11:00:09 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 31 12:33:47 2011. Not a true statement. See my other post. No need to tell you which one since you always read the entire thread anyway. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 1 12:40:38 2011, in response to Re: MTA Bus Ridership Dwindles As Subway Gains, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jun 1 10:53:40 2011. You seem to read what you want to read. No, I read what's written. I suppose you have never made any mistakes so your credibility is impeccable. Huh? I make mistakes. Why would you think otherwise??? He made a few small factual errors. A few? Small? No. That doesn't mean "he got everything wrong." Looks like you're the one who reads only "what he wants to". I clearly wrote, several times, in several posts, "almost everything". Please read what is written and don't attribute false quotes to me. You just don't like me because I have said a few things about you Huh? What have you said about me? And I don't like you? News to me. What I do know is that I've pointed out mistakes or errors in your reasoning related to transportation service planning and you have refused to acknowledge them or correct yourself. Now if you read back up the thread, you can see how this subthread started. You may then want to retract your accusations and apologize. And if you can't figure out what I'm talking about, let me know, and I'll try to help you. |
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