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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Jul 7 13:27:09 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jul 6 23:56:55 2008. A tunnel to Brooklyn would not be as successful as a tunnel directly from SI to Manhattan; if a tunnel were to be built, this is how it should be. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Mon Jul 7 13:29:14 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jul 7 00:54:24 2008. Any express bus thread is always turned into an "Eliminate the express bus thread". The fact remains that the subway doesn't go everywhere and there are people who simply don't want to use a filthy system with overcrowded trains that crawl during rush hour. |
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Posted by QM18Express on Mon Jul 7 14:24:31 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Jul 5 13:15:47 2008. Your best bet with the X1 is to board north of 23rd St if you want to get a seat |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Jul 7 14:38:07 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 6 18:51:32 2008. Or avoid it completely and take the Palisades parkway! |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Jul 7 14:54:47 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Operator3319 on Sat Jul 5 02:40:51 2008. There are results for the BM5.Grades: 01. Reasonable wait times: D+ 02. Seat availability: C 03. Seat reclines: C 04. Seat headrest: C- 05. Working reading light: C 06. Smooth handling: C+ 07. Clarity of Signs: B 08. Current sched. info. @ Stop: C+ 09. Bus operates according to sched.: C- 10. Cleanliness: B- 11. Lack of Graffiti: B+ 12. Lack of Scratchitti: B 13. Courtesy of B/O & Disp.: B- 14. Comfortable temp inside bus: C 15. Ease of Paying Fare: B 16. Bus Personnel properly secure W/C: B- 17. Kneeling reliability: B 18. W/C lift reliability: B- 19. Regular announcements: B- 20. Informative announcements: C+ 21. Overall: C+ Priorities: 01 09 02 14 06 05 [03 10] 08 [16 18 19] [04 07 11] [12 15] [13 17 20] Numbers enclosed in brackets indicate ties at the respective positions.) |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Jul 7 14:59:14 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jul 7 01:21:22 2008. Yet if you do that, you'll be paying five bucks for what is essentially a local service. I'll take the M5, M6, or M7, thanks. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Jul 7 15:01:42 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jul 7 01:21:22 2008. You can do the same, via. subway - -4/5/6 ====> L or 7/42nd Street shuttle ====> N/R/W ===> rinse and repeat. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Jul 7 15:02:43 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Jul 7 15:01:42 2008. Correction, no L necessary. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jul 7 15:23:47 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Jul 7 14:59:14 2008. Same with the X25 and X90. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Mon Jul 7 15:28:14 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jul 7 15:23:47 2008. Those routes exist for spoiled rich people who don't want to ride a subway or local bus. |
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Posted by 3440 on Mon Jul 7 15:40:58 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 6 17:01:19 2008. and most of the time those seats are dirty. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Jul 7 19:43:21 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Jul 7 01:15:45 2008. And this will never happen in New York. God forbid someone takes the X1 from Midtown to Downtown. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Jul 7 19:44:10 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jul 7 01:21:22 2008. I think during subway outages, all restrictions are lifted. I'm not sure though. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Jul 7 19:45:37 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Ken S. on Mon Jul 7 15:28:14 2008. There are actually a lot of "spoiled people" the use the X90. The way I see it, is at least they're not driving. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Jul 7 20:40:40 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Forest Glen on Mon Jul 7 13:29:14 2008. Any express bus thread is always turned into an "Eliminate the express bus thread".So? We're allowed to talk about that, right? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 8 00:39:07 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Ken S. on Mon Jul 7 15:28:14 2008. Well, at least they're not spoiled enough to complain because they don't get any MCI buses (referring to the X90 only). |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Jul 8 00:40:53 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 8 00:39:07 2008. They couldn't complain about this.
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 8 00:55:17 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Jul 8 00:40:53 2008. Was that actually doing the X90? |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Jul 8 00:57:15 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 8 00:55:17 2008. I believe so -- it stopped at the X90 stop and picked up passengers...Side view (note the Castleton sticker): 
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 8 00:59:08 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Jul 8 00:57:15 2008. Nice catch then, maybe those rumors about Michael J. Quill's quality Orion V Suburban buses being reseated and going to other depots are true unfortunately. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jul 8 01:02:54 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 8 00:59:08 2008. The only quality NYCT Orion 5 is a Scrapped Orion 5.The quality comes from no longer subjecting the poor riders to their shittyness. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 8 01:15:58 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by R30A on Tue Jul 8 01:02:54 2008. The Orion V is awesome and has only broke down on me once. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Jul 8 01:22:25 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by R30A on Tue Jul 8 01:02:54 2008. The ex-NYCDOT Orion Vs (with the notable exception of the ex-Green fleet) were generally pretty good. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Tue Jul 8 03:42:46 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by 3440 on Mon Jul 7 15:40:58 2008. some are pretty scratched up as well. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Tue Jul 8 03:46:12 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Forest Glen on Sat Jul 5 01:10:24 2008. If the SI buses were divided into Lower Manhattan and Midtown lines then going thru either NJ or the BQE to SI at a central hub to take the subroutes, then there would be no problems in terms of getting a seat as then frequency would be even for at least in Manhattan.But then again "no one wants to make an additional transfer" :sigh: |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Tue Jul 8 06:56:47 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 8 01:15:58 2008. Lmao! The Orion Vs are very robust buses but I've had so many break down on me, definitely over 20 since 2006! And I've spotted well over 50 breakdowns throughout that course as well.On one hot, humid day last year, a line of 9 1995/1999 O5s were broken down along Richmond Terrace. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Tue Jul 8 07:12:52 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Forest Glen on Sat Jul 5 01:10:24 2008. Recently, I found myself becoming a more frequent rider of the X10 and X30 because of the inconsistencies of the SI Local buses. If the local buses are late (occurs all too often), then I get to the ferry late, miss the boat and immediately set back 15-30 minutes.I've become very accustomed to using the express buses though especially on weekends when the subways are compounded with G/Os. I wouldn't say that the express buses are a godsend because they become SRO during rush hours, and easily get caught in traffic but all this crap about express buses need to be eliminated is BS. Unless you live close to the ferry, the express buses are usually your best bet when traveling to/from SI and the city. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 8 08:24:31 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Tue Jul 8 06:56:47 2008. And I'm almost willing to bet that most of them were Yukon or Castleton buses, as the only Orion V that ever broke down on me was a Casey Stengel bus that just came from Castleton. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Jul 8 11:23:21 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Tue Jul 8 07:12:52 2008. From New Springville, the trip to Midtown on the x17J is ~90 minutes. The same trip by local bus (s91 is scheduled for 53 minutes from the Mall to the Ferry) and ferry (~25 minutes) is 80-90 minutes just to the Battery. I would have to leave home at least 30 minutes earlier than I now do to make it to work on-time. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jul 8 12:25:48 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by R30A on Tue Jul 8 01:02:54 2008. I'm not sure which O5s of the NYCTA or MTA Bus you are riding, however. |
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Posted by QM18Express on Tue Jul 8 12:48:36 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Tue Jul 8 07:12:52 2008. Thats interesting.I know this is not SI I am saying here however I want to say it. I tend to find Express Buses to be faster depending on where I am going. At certain times of the day and a lot of times on the weekend its faster for me to go to 34th St by Express Bus then the subway. The break even point would be like around 42 St. I would not save much time if I am going north of 42nd. Most of the time heading back to Queens it can be faster with the Express Bus regardless where you get on depending on how you time it. Also from where I am at to Lower Manhattan it's faster to take the QM1 Downtown then to take a local bus and 2 trains. One of the reasons why the QM1 Downtown is very well used is b/c it's the fastest way to go Downtown from Fresh Meadows and along the Union Turnpike corridor. Another reason is because there's no direct subway line from Queens Blvd that go's downtown and also because taking a bus to the J line tends to take a long time. Like who wants to take a Q30 from Douglaston all the way to Jamaica and transfer to the J or Z to go downtown while they can get there in lesser time by transferring over to the QM1 Downtown at Union Turnpike (Q30 or QM1A). My main gripe about the QM1 Downtown is that about 20-30% of the riders drive over to the QM1 Downtown (with most of the people driving to fresh meadows from points east). I don't understand why can't there be a Park N Ride lot in Fresh Meadows. The only place in Fresh Meadows thats big enough to make it into a like a 200-300 car lot is Cunningham Park however I would see a lot of NIMBY's against it (and some of those NIMBY's are the ones that would drive to Fresh Meadows for the QM1 Downtown). MTA can use some of the current parking spots at the 2 shopping centers right at the 1st stop of the QM1 Downtown. |
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Posted by mci guy on Tue Jul 8 15:18:42 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 8 08:24:31 2008. rather the quality than the depot. 1993 orion 5s were excellent buses.i drove them at yukon with nothing after teething problems. after obi was bought by western star truck the build quality became cheap and continues that way under daimler benz. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Tue Jul 8 16:37:35 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service(hear about this), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 5 15:29:09 2008. "proven your lack of reading comprehension skills"heh, what else is new? lol and he's forgetting the "?" as usual.... |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Tue Jul 8 16:40:06 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service(changes on 9/2), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 5 11:12:19 2008. I still think this guy should be kicked out. There has to be a limit to his 'absent mindedness'. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Tue Jul 8 16:52:01 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Tue Jul 8 07:12:52 2008. "I've become very accustomed to using the express buses though especially on weekends when the subways are compounded with G/Os."TRUTH |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Tue Jul 8 17:08:25 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Forest Glen on Mon Jul 7 13:29:14 2008. For places like SI, they need express buses, but rather than to have all their branches go to Manhattan, they should have all the buses on SI meet at some central hub and then riders can catch a bus going to either LM or Midtown. That way bus service to Manhatttan would be consistant and riders would have frequent/evenly distributed service. |
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Posted by Dr. Casca on Tue Jul 8 18:15:25 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 8 00:59:08 2008. Yea, I have a rear shot of 1959 on the X90, with Quill stickers... |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Jul 9 01:50:53 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Jul 7 13:27:09 2008. 5 miles to connect at the moment the least populated borough to Manhattan doesn't sound like a good investment. It's basically connect to Brooklyn or NJ. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Jul 9 01:53:55 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Andy on Fri Jul 4 23:27:19 2008. http://www.subchat.com/buschat/read.asp?Id=105577http://www.subchat.com/buschat/read.asp?Id=105637 |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 9 11:22:59 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Grand concourse on Tue Jul 8 17:08:25 2008. The whole point of the express bus is to avoid unnecessary transfers. I admit that there are routes like the X18 and X20 that take up space on the Gowanus, but there are also routes like the X1 and X17 that are packed. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Jul 9 13:38:59 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Forest Glen on Mon Jul 7 13:29:14 2008. AND FOR GOOD REASON TOO!The reason every thread gets turned into an eliminate the express bus thread is-- THE CITY WOULD BE BETTER OFF WITHOUT THE EXPRESS BUSES DRAINING THE FUNDS! |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Jul 9 14:19:55 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by R30A on Wed Jul 9 13:38:59 2008. Funny, I thought they'd be better if they eliminated the 4 routes on 5th Ave, or the three routes on Lexington. Why have so many routes instead of just one? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jul 9 14:23:18 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Jul 9 14:19:55 2008. IAWTP. Combine the M102 with the M103, and the M4 with the M104. And to have one route that serves all of 5th/Madison, the M1 and M2 should swap routes south of 40th Street. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Jul 9 21:53:27 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 9 11:22:59 2008. Well the transfer would be inconvenient, but it doesn't mean it would have to take away a transfer [bus transfer cards would be issued when the person gets on the bus].As you said the X18 and X20 'takes up space', but if a manhattan only bus was running then riders would be evenly distributed among all Manhattan bound/leaving buses so the X1 and X17 won't be so crowded. This way only Manhattan buses runs as many buses that is needed so they won't be overcrowded or underused. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 9 22:28:13 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jul 9 14:23:18 2008. The M4 and M104, however, don't share much in common. And it was reliability issues that caused the M101/2's south end to be severed. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 9 22:29:34 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by R30A on Wed Jul 9 13:38:59 2008. However...to avoid a political backlash...and there will be one in terms of key legislators holding up funds for the Authority...you may have to show a commitment to building a rail alternative (i.e., redirecting SIR to Manhattan under the bay). |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 9 22:30:52 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 9 22:29:34 2008. What I am saying is: Do you know what committees these legislators sit on up in Albany?I don't know either. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 9 22:45:19 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 9 11:22:59 2008. No it's not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 9 22:52:20 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jul 9 22:29:34 2008. If the subways worked the way it's supposed to then you wouldn't need express buses. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 9 22:58:26 2008, in response to Re: Staten Islanders unsatisfied with MTA bus service, posted by Forest Glen on Wed Jul 9 22:52:20 2008. False. The subways work fine. If anything, it's you who doesn't work fine. |
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