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Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s) |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Jul 31 16:28:32 2010, in response to R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 16:01:49 2010. Since I'm sitting at home waiting on someone, I'll take a crack at this....1)They have different Cab doors 2)The rollsigns in the front of the R68As sit up higher than the R68s 3)The color patterns on the seats is different between the two. 4)The rollsign box is different on the two cars 5)The seem to have different types of steel? (Like R142 vs R142A..) 6)The car number plates 7)The font on the car number plates 8)The R68s (The ones on the D) are more shiny than an R68A outdoors 9)The inside of the R68s of is brighter than the R68A which is a bit darker... I rode these two car classes commuting for the past two years and these are the things I noticed... |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Jul 31 16:29:23 2010, in response to Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Jul 31 16:28:32 2010. *Five Years |
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Posted by Thunderbolt on Sat Jul 31 21:06:51 2010, in response to Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Jul 31 16:28:32 2010. 10) The 68 features a metal collar where the armrest meets the vertical stanchion by the longitudinal seating which the 68A lacks. |
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Posted by insidetransitcom on Sat Jul 31 21:14:55 2010, in response to R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 16:01:49 2010. 68a looks much freaking nicer than 6868a has a better looking rollsign area - it's flat whereas the 68 has is bumped out just looks more refined overall i could go on |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Jul 31 21:16:51 2010, in response to Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by insidetransitcom on Sat Jul 31 21:14:55 2010. "68a looks much freaking nicer than 68"But they look much dirtier than the R68s. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Aug 2 09:19:12 2010, in response to Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by Thunderbolt on Sat Jul 31 21:06:51 2010. That's correct |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Aug 2 09:23:07 2010, in response to Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Jul 31 16:28:32 2010. Never noticed no. 3.What do you mean by "car number plates in no. 6? Never noticed the diffrent fonts refered to in No 7. All others are accepatable answers. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Aug 2 09:24:24 2010, in response to Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by insidetransitcom on Sat Jul 31 21:14:55 2010. agreed |
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Posted by rtype3995 on Mon Aug 2 09:53:45 2010, in response to R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 16:01:49 2010. Both trains have different braking systemsR68a has all sliding doors as opposed to the 68 68a interior is brighter |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Aug 2 10:04:15 2010, in response to Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by rtype3995 on Mon Aug 2 09:53:45 2010. Sliding cab doors. Right rtype? |
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Posted by subfan on Mon Aug 2 10:33:07 2010, in response to R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 16:01:49 2010. 1. Sliding vs. swinging cab door2. Exterior rain gutter - full-length on 68 vs. only over doors (and CR window?) on 68A Those are the ones I notice right away. subfan |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Aug 2 11:06:39 2010, in response to R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 16:01:49 2010. Not many took up this took up this challenge. But, as promised, here are the differences68 Sign boxes are angled at the bottom. Like this: \_ 68a Sign boxes are squared at the bottom. Like this: L 68 The hole on the sign box, to change signs, is chrome and is not flush. 68a The hole on the sign box is flush and has a simple metal ring. 68 The window that has the sign box in it is comprised of 2 pieces of glass. 68a The window that has the sign box is one piece of glass. 68 Rain gutters on exterior roof line run the entire length of the car. 68a Rain gutters are only over the doors. 68 Window latches have a angled piece of metal over the latch. 68a Window latches have nothing over the latch. 68 Window in the corner cabs have a frame around them. 68a Window in the corner cab is flush mounted 68 Both upper and lower grab rails are joined with fittings. 68a Upper grab rails are joined with fittings. Lower grab rails are welded. 68 Swinging cab door on full with cabs 68a Pocket door on full with cabs. 68 Floor is flat on left side and curved up on right where it meets the cab. This is due to a spec. change during manufacturing as 68s were originally to have corner cabs. 68a Floor is the same on both sides where it meets full width cab 68 Ceiling access panels have no protection against damage from striking grab rails when opened for service. Think chipped paint, 68a Ceiling access panels have small plastic protective overlays where the panel contacts grab rails when open. 68 Steel frame around door access panels panels is wide. 68a Steel frame around door motor access panels is narrow. 68 Interior stainless steel is dull. 68a Interior stainless steel is shiny. 68 Latch that holds end door open is the old flip up style seen in all previous R's. Note, the flip-up part was removed during SMS. Doors can no longer be made to stay open, no issue since end doors are/should be locked. 68a Latch that holds end door open is one piece. I do not know if these have been removed. No issue since end doors are/should be locked. 68 Exterior spot welds are visible. 68a Exterior spot welds not visible. 68 PA speakers in ceiling are in a straight line. Between the lineal diffusers. 68a PA speakers in ceiling are staggered, 1 right, 1 left etc. Still between the lineal diffusers. As far as the front destination sign position mentioned every now and then, that differs even from 68 to 68 depending on date of manufacture. So I do not include it. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Mon Aug 2 12:48:43 2010, in response to ANSWERS Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Aug 2 11:06:39 2010. R68A cars number 2 ends had their plates affixed at the end of car next to side view window while R68A #1 ends as well as R68 cars both ends were plated inside the first set of door pockets for whatever reason. It made yardmasters jobs easier when they still had their #2 end electric portions |
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Posted by milan1834 on Mon Aug 2 13:10:37 2010, in response to R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 16:01:49 2010. Sheesh. The R68/R68A class is the most blah subway type in service. Why couldn't they have nice shiny front ends like the R62/R62As which were built at approximately the same time? |
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Posted by rtype3995 on Mon Aug 2 14:49:27 2010, in response to Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by Railman718 on Mon Aug 2 10:04:15 2010. yes sir.....and bad brakes.....lol |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Aug 2 14:53:47 2010, in response to Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by rtype3995 on Mon Aug 2 14:49:27 2010. No they arent bad...R62A's on the 1 Line same braking system... |
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Posted by Mr RT on Mon Aug 2 15:18:14 2010, in response to R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 16:01:49 2010. Nah, seen one hippo seen them all ;-) |
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Posted by Randyo on Mon Aug 2 17:30:47 2010, in response to Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by Railman718 on Mon Aug 2 14:53:47 2010. 62As and 68s have the same braking system, NYAB Newtran. 68As and 6s have the same braking system WABCO RT-2. most if not all of the operating cabs of the unitized 62As and 68s have, however had their newtran brake valves replaced with WABCO ME-43s removed from the unused cabs of the units. |
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Posted by Randyo on Mon Aug 2 17:31:00 2010, in response to Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by Railman718 on Mon Aug 2 14:53:47 2010. 62As and 68s have the same braking system, NYAB Newtran. 68As and 6s have the same braking system WABCO RT-2. most if not all of the operating cabs of the unitized 62As and 68s have, however had their newtran brake valves replaced with WABCO ME-43s removed from the unused cabs of the units. |
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Posted by Randyo on Mon Aug 2 17:32:39 2010, in response to Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by Randyo on Mon Aug 2 17:31:00 2010. That last post needs to be clarified. The ME-43s being placed in the R-68s and 62As were the ones removed from the non operating cabs of the 62s and 68As. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Aug 2 17:37:30 2010, in response to Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by Randyo on Mon Aug 2 17:30:47 2010. The 62A's on the 7 Line (single car Units) are getting the WABCO brakes..It looks like the T/O's are still "ajusting". |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Aug 2 17:37:52 2010, in response to Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by Randyo on Mon Aug 2 17:30:47 2010. Thanks for the 411 btw... |
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Posted by Randyo on Mon Aug 2 17:55:14 2010, in response to Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by Railman718 on Mon Aug 2 17:37:30 2010. Are they getting the entire WABCO brake package or just the ME-43 brake valves? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Aug 2 17:59:30 2010, in response to Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by Randyo on Mon Aug 2 17:55:14 2010. Are they getting the entire WABCO brake package or just the ME-43 brake valves?I think its the Entire WABCO package. Will double check... |
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Posted by rtype3995 on Mon Aug 2 18:55:34 2010, in response to Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by Railman718 on Mon Aug 2 14:53:47 2010. When u coming back to the b? One of these days we'll have to catch up..... |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Aug 2 19:24:27 2010, in response to Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by Randyo on Mon Aug 2 17:30:47 2010. 68As and 6sI know the 6 was a typo, but what car class did you mean to type? |
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Posted by 15 BEECHHURST on Wed Aug 4 08:21:44 2010, in response to Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Jul 31 16:28:32 2010. Note that there is a complete set of 4 (3 side, 1 front) R68 sign curtains for sale on Ebay right now. The listing does not include either the front or side sign boxes. The front sign is the type that scrolls up and down, not side to side. I do not recognize the seller, but he has 100% positive feedback. Last price I saw was $260 and the reserve had not been met!Here is the link: (sorry guys and ladies I do not know HTML) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290460027196&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Aug 4 11:46:48 2010, in response to R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 16:01:49 2010. 1. Different sign boxes for side signs.(Bigger on R68As)2. Different window frames (Rubber on R68, Metal on R68A) 3. Different gutters. (Continuous on R68, over doors/CR window only R68A) 4. Different "stripes" (Part of body on R68, separate "patch" on R68A 5. Different front sign placement. (High on R68A, either high with empty box under it or low on R68) 6. Different cab doors. (Swing on R68, Sliding on R68A) 7. Different emergency brake handles. R68 is about twice the size of R68A. 8. R68s have patches over where guard lites would be next to each door. R68As do not. 9. R68s were built with different steel than R68As. R68 is shinier and shows welding more easily. 10. Floor curves up on left side of transverse cab on R68A, while it remains flat on R68. Old differences: 1. R68s had white decals inside when built, (many have since been replaced by standard black ones)R68As have been black from the beginning 2. Prior to the floor replacement program, all R68s had flat floors while R68As had raised bumps at each door (or had black floors). |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Aug 4 11:50:54 2010, in response to Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by R30A on Wed Aug 4 11:46:48 2010. I forgot about the black on white decals. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Aug 4 15:21:19 2010, in response to R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 16:01:49 2010. I fold....I havent a clue....about any of the differences. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Aug 4 15:22:10 2010, in response to Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by R30A on Wed Aug 4 11:46:48 2010. I you want us to believe your psychology quiz on OT Chat came back with all "lows"?????? :) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Aug 4 15:22:18 2010, in response to Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by R30A on Wed Aug 4 11:46:48 2010. And you want us to believe your psychology quiz on OT Chat came back with all "lows"?????? :) |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Wed Aug 4 15:55:30 2010, in response to Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Aug 4 15:22:18 2010. 1) side window that opens is smaller on 682) Side window is one piece on 68a 3) Interior stainless steel has a duller finish on 68a 4) Interior brown fiberglas is duller on 68a 5) end doors slide on 68a 6) exterior side decorative steel does not come all the way to the side door on 68a 7) side door marker lights are different 8) |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Wed Aug 4 16:04:05 2010, in response to ANSWERS Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Aug 2 11:06:39 2010. THank you but if I recall the 68 A is dull and the 68 is shinny |
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Posted by Neil Feldman on Wed Aug 4 18:30:43 2010, in response to Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Jul 31 16:28:32 2010. Propulsion same, but 2 different braking systems if you wanna go technical! |
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Posted by Neil Feldman on Wed Aug 4 19:25:30 2010, in response to R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 31 16:01:49 2010. I don't care if I win or lose, but here are the differences:R68: -Brighter Stainless Steel. -Different Westinghouse Brake Package meaning stopped smoother, and on the dime where as the R68A had a delayed braking. -Interior Cab Door Swings Inwards Instead Of Sliding -Side Roll Sign interior is not flush as it sticks out, and the Rollsigns are flush to the glass. As well key hole has a stainless steel ring around it. -Numbers on outside numberboards have different number fonts. -Original Rollsigns were smaller, and destination rollsigns usually on each terminal had destination on top of it followed by borough on bottom. -Interior numberboards were aside the Emergency Brake Decal instead of above it like the R68A. -Usually had better acceleration. -End Rollsigns were on the lower R68A low, and the higher R68 high, but also had an extra slot for additional rollsignage, or display boards. On outside of the side rollsign, there was a steel band underneath the rollsign. R68A: -Darker Stainless steel. -Sliding interior cab door. -Side Rollsigns were recessed beyond the glass, and was flush inside with the side walls. -Original side rollsigns had larger font displaying only terminal names, and not boroughs. -Side rollsigns had just the hole for the key to adjust the terminals, and no ring around the hole. -Window where side rollsigns were was whole, and without the divided stainless steel band like the R68 has. End rollsigns just had the higher location. End doors were plain where as the R68 had a decal on it that had "Slide Open with Arrow". -First batch of cars that were linked into 4 car sets, and no singles after transformation. R68's are both in single, and 4 car sets. -Most of the door chimes were not changed as most are original, where as R68's had been changed from time to time. -Lots of the R68's propulsion has that "Jet Noise" coming out of the bearings where as the R68A doesn't. Now, did I give differences between them?????? |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Aug 4 19:43:13 2010, in response to Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by Neil Feldman on Wed Aug 4 19:25:30 2010. Lots of the R68's propulsion has that "Jet Noise" coming out of the bearings where as the R68A doesn't.Some R68As DO have the jet noise, I rode one before, 5076 is the car number IIRC, theres another set that does it as well. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Aug 4 20:48:34 2010, in response to Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by Neil Feldman on Wed Aug 4 19:25:30 2010. Neil: What a great analysis. You certainly know your R-68's.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Aug 4 21:33:17 2010, in response to Re: R68 vs R68A QUIZ. Viva la Difference(s), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Aug 4 15:22:18 2010. Apathy leads to lack of detection of any psychology issues :-P |
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